This isn't a good place to talk about truthful religion, because God did not reveal the truth to some lost souls who may say "whats the meaning of life", "why am I here" ,"whats my purpose" etc.
6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9However, as it is written:
"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"— 10but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"[d] But we have the mind of Christ.--- 1Corinthians 2:6-16.
The truth Is in Jesus Christ, he fills in the void of emptiness of the lost souls who did not yet obtained the spirit of God to understand spiritual truths. Most people today follows their philosophy, religion, theories, opinions and so on. But again, truth is within Jesus Christ. "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes through the father except through me"--- John 14:6
Can you back any of that up? Truth is within Jesus you say? What makes you think that? The bible? The way you were brought up?
God is just pretend. He's a character in a book. And actually, at times he seems like quite an evil character.
Words are not the truth. I think you should look beyond books and words. Clinging to bible passages, having blind faith in them. Thats ridiculous. Thats called being brainwashed.
There are always bible nuts saying that they hold the ultimate truth, their religion is the only true religion. It gets very tiring, hearing them go on and on about how anyone who disagrees with them is wrong and somehow lower than them.
The truth is in the mind, it is within each person, not in some book or some fictional character. But most people need to believe that some ultimate being somewhere is in control because they themselves are not. They cannot accept the absence of god because then they would see that they are alone, and no one can help them but themselves. They want to be able to sin then beg for forgiveness in church on sunday only to go and commit the same sin again and again, rather than take an honest look at themselves.
As you said, Most people today follows their philosophy, religion, theories, opinions and so on. That is also what you are doing. You do not alone hold any secret wisdom or knowledge about the truth, you are a seeker of those things like all of us.
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. --- Colossians 2;8
Ok, but why should we accept a philosophy that depends on Christ? Because the bible says so? Would that be the only reason?
...I shoul've never brought up this topic because the lost souls cannot understand spiritual matters and material presented to him/her. Instead they desire to bring up false arguments and philosophy on truth which is Jesus. They love to follow mysticism instead of faith, faith is ignorance to the spiritually discerned and spiritual matters in general. So its not worth your time with an argument on false philosophy on truth, the spirit of God did not reveal spiritual truth to you yet so stop your false and ridiculous argument. You cannot argue against God, its like a two year old arguing with his/her parent on the fact that they haven't stolen a cookie from a cookie jar and his/her parent sat their and saw the whole thing. How old are you Mind Freak?
"As you said, Most people today follows their philosophy, religion, theories, opinions and so on. That is also what you are doing. You do not alone hold any secret wisdom or knowledge about the truth, you are a seeker of those things like all of us"
No my friend, Christianity is not a philosophy Its the truth of Jesus Christ who lived,died,arose and coming again. Again, stop your false arguments and stop wasting time and energy with some argument that isn't going to get anywhere.
"They cannot accept the absence of god because then they would see that they are alone, and no one can help them but themselves. They want to be able to sin then beg for forgiveness in church on Sunday only to go and commit the same sin again and again, rather than take an honest look at themselves."
Not all Christians are false converts and hypocrites as they appear as they are. You probably need Jesus into your life to fill in that empty void in your life am I right?
I was going to argue with you but instead i'll just offer you a nice warm cup of shut the f*ck up.
Really, no one wants to hear how you're more spiritual and superior than all of us who don't follow your "truth" (or should i say dogmas?).
Got it? NOBODY cares!
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"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. --- Colossians 2;8"
It's curious you appraise that quote when you are doing exactly what it says you shouldn't do.
You're right Neutrino, the argument would go nowhere. Why? Becasue christians believe the bible to be correct, to them its truth not philosophy. They are unwilling to accept that it is no more plausble than any other old text. However, whether they are willing to accept it or not, it is a philosophy, an opinion and blind faith. The religion has just grown into a bunch of arragant non-sense.
But I stop arguing with these people, Christianity has been disproven in several areas, but no matter what they will still be too afraid to admit it.
I say, Let weak minds be weak minded.
Sorry Nuetrino if some of us are living in the 21st century instead of medieval times. Someday, may Science, Logic and Experience be let into everyone's minds, -instead of Jesus...
I think I'll remain an intelligent soul (or as you would say "Lost Soul") instead of converting to a "Saved Soul".
And behold, the LORD thy GOD did speak unto the people with a MIGHTY typing, yea, and He did say unto them:
The Word of GOD shall be whatsoever I typest, and whatsoever I typest shall prove whatsoever I typest. That which doth speak against that which I typest shall be a trick of the DEVIL, and believe it not lest thou shalt be lost for Eternity.
Thus typest the LORD thy GOD. Amen.
Yea verily, thou doest speak a mighty truth Mactombs.
Great is thine God given wisdom and insight.
:smile:
LOL Mactombs!! :inquisition:
Ya, Neutrino4344.. why don't you start thinking for yourself :wink:
ps. I believe in Jesus Christ but not the bible..and I'm curious....would you drown me straightaway, or only torture me until I become like you? :smashfreak:
It is easy to criticize anything, so remember that everyone is entitled to hold their own beliefs but do not criticize others when they arrive at a different conclusion to you. Neutrino you really shouldn't start christian protests here I'm not sure what you hope to achieve as your first post looked like a recruiting poster...
but i will assure you that your only going to make your self annoyed. Many people in these forums are perfectly happy with what they believe and your not going to change that, but i cant stop you so have fun trying... :) and of course as i said before your more than entitled to hold your own beliefs, and i suppose that means you can enforce them as well... or at least try. :roll:
I tell you, their are lots of confused souls out their...
Indeed. :roll:
and you Nuetrino, are a prime example.
Yes Neutrino, you are the perfect example of what you are critisizing.
The wise do not build themselves up and put others down. The wise do not force others to believe that they have any special understanding or insight even if they do. The ones who claim such things are the most unenlightened. You are the confused one. So how about this: GET OVER YOURSELF
Neutrino,
I spent 16 years following the christian faith - yes, born again, baptized with water, baptized in the Spirit, all of that. Many long hours, days, camps, seminars, etc. all to learn the word of God better, to understand His will better. I could sit here and quote or argue passages the bible with the best of them! I've studied it quite extensively
But there was one thing that the christian faith never did for me, never actually allowed me to do - seek my own experiences. Instead I listened to many various sermons about how good it is to be like sheep, how God likens us to sheep.
That's because good sheep don't question, they just follow.
When I finally got tired of being told what and what not to do, how to act, how to think, how to fit inside the same box as all the other good followers, I walked away from the christian faith.
I did take with it a few very useful things though:
An understanding of love. The kind of unconditional love that is at the very core of the Bible's teachings. The kind of unconditional love that the churches preach, but don't practice.
Clairaudience & clairsentience. Had I called it that while I was in church, I'd've been prayed over to be released of the devils influences, but I heard and felt the presence of angels. I could communicate with spirits. It was a wonderful gift!
After leaving the church and its and its regulations, I learned to meditate, to quieten my frantic mind - something no minister could ever help me do.
I continued to converse with the "Holy Spirit", to receive guidance and wisdom from above. I started to experience things - spirits, "God" for myself.
I learned more about love and the ways of God in one year of being away from church than I did in 16 years in church!
So, I have what I feel is quite a valid question for you Neutrino:
Do you come here and try to sway our opinions because of what you have personally experienced for yourself, or because of what others have told you to think and believe?
See, most members of this forum are here because of what they have experienced for themselves, not because of what someone has told them to believe. There's a huge difference.
I look forward to you answer.
Blessings,
James.
Whats sad is the fact that people loves to state their false philosophies and do no care nothing about the truth, they might be the ones wondering around life with no true purpose. I have a purpose, its to accomplish the will of God to help my society and make disciples. People probably just go around following their minds and serving self, its not profitable and its not everlasting. Serving self is what lots of people like doing because their selfish, as it is written
23Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.--- Luke 9:23
Certain people has the audacity to say that True Christians are lost, if the truth is in the mind what do you have to gain, what... selfish ambition and gain? How old are you guys? I'm speaking you you Nickjw directly.
Quote from: Neutrino4344Whats sad is the fact that people loves to state their false philosophies and do no care nothing about the truth, they might be the ones wondering around life with no true purpose. I have a purpose, its to accomplish the will of God to help my society and make disciples. People probably just go around following their minds and serving self, its not profitable and its not everlasting. Serving self is what lots of people like doing because their selfish, as it is written
23Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.--- Luke 9:23
Certain people has the audacity to say that True Christians are lost, if the truth is in the mind what do you have to gain, what... selfish ambition and gain? How old are you guys? I'm speaking you you Nickjw directly.
Sir, it is you who has the audacity to walk into this forum and dictate your beliefs with little more than a book of philosophy - good philosophy with generally loving messages, but a book nonetheless - to back up your hateful statements.
In the words of William Shakespeare, "Even the Devil can quote scripture to suit his own purposes."
Neutrino,
Am I to take that quoted bible verse as being your answer to my question?
Are you actually willing to think for yourself and find your own answers?
1 Thess 5:21: "But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast."
(from the Amplified Bible)
Note the verse says ALL THINGS. It doesn't say all things except what's written in the bible.
Matthew24:4: "Jesus answered them, 'Be careful that no one misleads you' [deceiving you and leading you into error]."
Again, it doesn't say no-one except for your church leaders.
The bible is actually full of wonderful spiritual teachings, provided it is not mistranslated and used for preaching and persecution. That is not living the way of life taught by Jesus.
There are many christians here who have demonstrated that they do indeed live the life of love and tolerance and understanding of all as per the teachings of Christ. Their spiritual perspectives are a blessing to these forums.
Let me put it simply for you Neutrino, as I and the other moderators have had to do for others displaying the same kind of ignorance towards the beliefs of others:
This site does not tolerate religious preaching of any kind! If you are here to try and make diciples of people by bludgeoning them with religious doctrine and discrediting their experiences, then you are not welcome.
James.
I'll tell you my age. 16. and that's an insult to you only though. That a 16 year old is smart enough to think for himself and know when people are just trying to control you. I was also a christian for a few years and I was tired of them not answering questions at all; if you ask thm "why?" something is wrong they answer with "becasue the bible says so" or "its the will of god".
I'm 16 and I already have a much stronger mind then you Nuetrino, I was at least intelligent enough to know that Christianity uses circular logic and that there is no real basis for it at all.
I bet you still think the world is only 6000 years old. :roll:
So it begins... (again, sigh!)
'I preach the Truth, not false doctrines', 'you are confused' etc
It's all been said before!
"This site does not tolerate religious preaching of any kind! If you are here to try and make diciples of people by bludgeoning them with religious doctrine and discrediting their experiences, then you are not welcome. "
For your information I wasn't bludgeoning on anyone or anything...
Alright, my bad...just trying to straighten up some confused people, but if you guys enjoy finding peace through mysticism go ahead! I'M out of hear...
Arrogant to the end
Quote from: MindFreakArrogant to the end
Yep! Fraid so.
Still, I remember thinking like that once. I reckon I'd've been just as arrogant on a forum like this. It's amazing what a little bit of real life experience or a bit of thinking for yourself does for for your perspectives.
There are some, like a very good friend of mine, who have become christians because of their experiences. In which case, good on them! They're there for the right reasons. Thing is, my friend knows all about my experiences and perspectives, and he openly accepts them.
He understands that at the heart of christianity, it's about love, not fear and dogma.
:smile:
James.
Quote from: Neutrino4344See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. --- Colossians 2;8
What if I told you that the "hollow and deceptive philosophy" is the exact same virtues you are extolling? Jesus taught that we are all the Christ and that presence is within, "These things and greater you shall do." The Bible is a principle of this physical, mundane world. It is a tool of the ego (or
Devil if that is your terminology) the Christ within (you and everyone else here and everywhere) is what this passage is talking about. It is not talking about going to another source outside of yourself (another person or book or doctrine or philosophy) for Truth, it is talking about going within in the same way Jesus did in order to "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world." The Christ that it talks about at the end of the quote is your own Christ nature, the part of you that is a part of me and is God within all of us.
Dude i don't know what your talking about but i know Jesus Christ is real and so i God. but Jesus did not explain everything and we are even smarter now for finding out about everything they didn't know in the bible like ghosts,ufos,astral travel,magi-ck, so just leave it alone and stop trying to say its not real and that its bad because its real its not bad. God created it because it is there don't try and say we make it up because we don't you . another thing god said he created EVERTHING but we make out of what he created that doesnt mean we made ghost or astral travel get it through your head and wake up
I beg to differ darkdream.
QuoteWHO CARRIED THE CROSS?
-Mark 15:21 Simon of Cyrene. (Matt 27:32 and Luke 23:26 agree with Mark) Simon carried it, by himself.
-John 19:17 says "JESUS himself carried the cross."
(No where does it say the cross was carried by both men. According to the gospel, it is either one or the other.)
DID EITHER OF THE TWO THIEVES BELIEVE JESUS?
-Matt 27:44 says niether one believes
-Mark 15:32 niether one believes
-Luke 23:39-41 one does not, but one DOES
(only one gospel out of four has the famous conversion story)
HOW LONG WAS JESUS IN THE TOMB?
(remember jews count days from sundown to sundown)
-Matt 28:1 Three days and two nights
-Mark 16:2 Three days and two nights
-Luke 24:1 Three days and two nights
-John 20:1 Two days and two nights
*WHY IS HIS TIME IN THE TOMB SO IMPORTANT?*
Because it means he was not the true Messiah.
In Matt 12:38-40 he said he would remain in the tomb for THREE days and THREE nights, and that would be the sign he was the true messiah. Jesus did not fullfill his own prophecy.
IS MARY PERMITTED TO TOUCH JESUS AFTER THE RESURRECTION?
-Luke 24:39 Yes "Behold my hands and feet..handle me and see."
-John 20:17 No "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my father."
WHO WAS AT THE TOMB, AND WHAT DID THEY SEE WHEN THEY GOT THERE?
-Matt 28 Mary Magdalene and the other Mary saw one angel.
-Mark 16 Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, and Salome saw a young man in white.
-Luke 24 Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women that were with them saw two men in shining garments
-John 20 Mary Magdalene saw two angels in white.
WHERE DID THE DISCIPLES MEET THE RESURRECTED JESUS
-Matt 28:6-7 "Galilee"
-Luke 2433-36 "Jerusalem"
(They are about seventy five miles apart)
HOW MANY DISCIPLES DID JESUS HAVE?
-MARK 3:16-19 THIRTEEN
(Simon/Peter, Andreas/Nester, Iakobos bar zebedaios, Ioannes bar zebedaios, phillippos, thomas, judas the iskariot, bar Tholomaios, maththaios, lewis bar halphaios, iakobos bar halphaios, thaddaios, Simon the Kananite zealot)
-MATTHEW 10:2-4 TWELVE
(Simon/Peter, Andreas/Nester, Iakobos bar zebedaios, Ioannes bar zebedaios, phillippos, thomas, judas the iskariot, bar Tholomaios, maththaios the tax collector, iakobos bar halphaios, lebbaios thaddaios, simon the Kananite zealot)
-LUKE 6:13-16 THIRTEEN
(Simon/Peter, Andreas/Nester, Iakobos bar zebedaios, Ioannes bar zebedaios, phillippos, thomas, judas the iskariot, bar Tholomaios, maththaios, lewis the tax collector, iakobos bar halphaios, judus bar Iakobos, simon the Kananite zealot)
-JOHN only mentions NINE
(Simon/Peter, Andreas/Nester, Iakobos bar zebedaios, Ioannes bar zebedaios, phillippos, thomas the twin, judas bar simon the iskariot,
Ioudas, Nathanael of Kana)
*Note: All together we have the names of FIFTEEN different men!
JESUS NEVER ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN
After that, I pointed out the so called "Assuption of Christ," rising into the clouds, is a footnote blocked off with a bracket, with a disclaimer at the bottom clearly stating the verse should not be there, but was added.
still not convinced?
QuoteThese bombshells were hardly minor. The Tomb discrepancy alone is enough to prove Jesus was not the true messiah.
The burial story is itself a fraud. Roman writers got very little right. Such as, why a Jew, and a "holy man" at that, would be slathered in 100lbs. of creams and spices in the tomb, when Hebrew law this is forbidden.
I sat there and made him call a Jewish funeral home in the phone book and ask. After he read aloud the verse about Jesus being entombed "As is the custom of the Jews" the Rabbi replied "That is a lie! That is NOT our custom, and has NEVER been our custom!"
The Rabbi explained from the days of Moses, Jewish law commands that a man should be buried in the ground, in a plain box back to the earth. Ashes to ashes and dust to dust. You are not to perserve a body in any way. To put spice and oil and perfume on a corpse is considered blasphemous. Jesus's friends and family would have fought to the death to prevent it from being done. The writer of the fake burial story is ignorant of Jewish ways and is given away as being a Roman.
Also, with the Bible dictionary I as able to prove to him Jesus never said he was God.
"The MESSIAH" & CHRIST
Messiah from Hebrew Masiah & Aramaic Meshina, is literally expected king and deliverer of the Jews, not the son of Yahweh/God! Christ is from the Greek Christos. literally meaning, anointed. Every single Jewish king was a "Christ" it simply meant annointed. A new king was anointed with oil at his coronation.
It does not mean "son of God". The Messiah was NOT supposed to be God, only a really great hero-priest-King. They wanted a hero/rebel to lead the rebellion against Rome.(deleted from Bible by Roman writers, although traces remain) It should be noted that "THE Messiah" is different from "Messiah" which is the Hebrew word that we get the Greek "Christos" from. They mean the same thing. Yep, "David" was a messiah too.
JESUS WAS "VOTED" A GOD IN 325CE.
Like in most of Christianity; a bunch of old Roman politicians took votes to determine the course of the new religion. Yeshua was voted a God, rather than a prophet at the council of Nicea in 325C.E. he was de-deified and re-deified twice and was a god permanently in 380, this was about politics. Yeshua never thought he was God.
JESUS DENIES HE IS GOD
Apparently the council of Nicea missed this one. "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one and that is God." And again, "Why callest thou me good? None is good, save one, and that is God." (Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19)
When questioned on this verse, one Christian actually told me: "Jesus Lied."
BUT JESUS TALKS ABOUT BEING GOD IN THE BIBLE!
Well lets take a look, shall we?
BAR-NASHA - Jesus called himself "bar nasha" "son of man" 28 times. It means in the three Semitic languages "a human being"
BAR-DALAHA - "Son of God" (oh, oh, they got us here huh? -nah) In the Aramaic-Semitic language "bar-dalaha", "God's son", "God's child" is used many ways and may refer to an orphan, peacemaker, etc. You see it must be understood that the term "bar" does not mean "son" in a literal way it refers to a likeness, and a special relationship. Never in Hebrew scripture or in the New Testament does it refer to a physical relationship. Easterners will use the term "son" as like saying "beloved" [the very idea of a actual sonship from God was seen as blasphemy to Jews, but not to Romans, hmmm]
EHEDAYA- "the only begotten son" (lest they throw this at ya, here it is) Jesus never claimed to be God's only son, that claim was made by others, and found only in the Gospel of John. John has it as a translation of the Greek "monogenes" which is two words, singular and kind, when put together mean "one of a kind" I don't want to get into the breaking down of the Greek, suffice to say, it is an improper translation. A better rendering would be "unique son". It does not even come close to meaning what Christians think it means.
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