Ouh!!! The lastest is that dear Mr. Adolf Hitler is in heaven

[Alan McDougall]

Mr.  Donald Walshe and David Mustard seed tell me dear Mr. Hitler is now in heaven, maybe sitting on the lap of Jesus. Maybe Jesus said to him you naughty boy next time you get a tap on your backside

Well is easy for me to describe goodness But Hitler and his evil Nazi followers were the ultimate in human depravity, "may they burn in hell forever"

My mother was a Jew and all my family of more that 200 innocent people would have been murdered by this beastly regime

May he and his kind burn in hell forever just like he burned his poor victims

[Tayesin]

Hi Alan,
I'm sure no one here denies the extreme acts of Nazism carried out on the Jewish people. Nor should we forget, so we don't let it happen again.

The concept you mentioned is one perceived from a position of non-attachment. So when you have an attachment to an event, such as this, it will be difficult to take on something that seems so "wrong" to you. This is natural my friend, please don't be offended.

You know we humans view things and events through very restricted windows, each with filters that are programmed by our beliefs and experiences, so you also know then that clearer filters will provide clearer information and understanding... and some of that will also seem to grind on you or get under the skin, for want of a better term... this tries to provoke us out of staying in one belief for too long and begin considering fresh input.

In this instance, the concept of 'Hitler going to Heaven' is a metaphore for a bigger picture concept... they do not actually mean that Hitler is in Heaven.. as defined by traditional beliefs about Heaven, etc.

What they do mean by this poorly understood phrase is this..... in the bigger picture realities far beyond our very confined human perceptions there is no Judgement by God, because this 'God' is all things experiencing what it is capable of... coming to know itself through us, by being us. As such it has no concern for what we do, as we have no concern for what a cell on our arm is doing.

It is about perspective, or we could say where you stand to view. It is also about understanding an important fact... nothing occurs without the support of 'God'. So, events we judge as horrifying with our tiny perceptions are much more than that, they are the culmination of thoughts, beliefs, actions and speech.. chosen by us humans and provided for by 'God'.

God or Universe (or Fred or Martha) can't do otherwise, it provides all our needs, even if we don't believe that... and it provides the means to create by our choices, which given human history to date has mostly been horrifying destructions of a variety of peoples.

Most importantly, we need to consider how so many souls ended up being the people Nazism destroyed in such horrific ways. Again, in the bigger pictures, and you know this Alan.. Souls contract with others to co-create and co-experience events in this world, no matter how horrible we think the events are. As Soul you do not perceive things that way because you do not judge via attachments/ beliefs ... you are experiencing existence beyond the human perception level. So each soul that incarnated as a "victim" of Nazism, actually chose to be a part of those events, everyone who was involved in any way was too.

Why did they choose that? We could say it was for the world to learn how futile warring is, to learn how horrific it is that we still extinguish whole groups of peoples because of belief, and to learn it in a modern context in the hope that humanity would not follow the same path. What I find truly sad about this is that we have learned nothing as a race from that experience which is preventing us from heading in the same direction again.

My friend, in this time we are required to develop Equanimity, a balance where we can see what is in the world around us and not be effected by it. This is so we can discern more clearly what things we can effect and what things we cannot change, without having attachment. Non-attachment is not about not caring, far from it, it is about Unconditional Love for all things and being clear enough to know that some things must be allowed to happen in the bigger scheme of things. This is not a whole lot different from parenting a teenager who you Love and desire only good things for but need to not rescue when they require the lesson in life.

Be well

[Starvingpercussionist]

I think that Hitler is not in a place we would consider to be heaven, but rather in a place where he would suffer the consequences of his guilt over his actions. I mean, seeing how the astral planes work, if he's stuck at such a low level of negativity, then he can't possibly make it to the higher realms - to the real heavens. Just my opinion though.

[Mustardseed]

(6) Where is the soul of Hitler...?

In the hereafter......he is having so intensive courses....might take a while still. There are a few of those, actually he is doing better than Stalin and PolPot and a few others. It will be OK though. I will eventually draw all men unto myself and reconcile the universe.

This is what Alan quotes

[interception]

What I find truly sad about this is that we have learned nothing as a race from that experience which is preventing us from heading in the same direction again.

Exactly. Pretty pathetic really.

[Everlasting]

Are you talking about the holohoax, Alan. I'm not afraid of speaking my mind. And the jew were invented by the zionist movement a couple of hundred years ago. There's no such thing as a racial jew, never was.