Trumpeter's Mission

[Telos]

Father Wingate is a Catholic priest who appears to dabble in the art of astral projection on a regular basis. (Why do so many people think AP is a sin, I wonder?).

http://www.trumpetersmission.com

The site is mostly about the end times, however I made this post here in the general area because it also contains quite a bit on the afterlife in general.

So, what does everyone think of him?

[Chimerae]

Okay, I bounce off in weird ways, so consider the source . . .

I adore catholicism and I think we're in the end times, but just clicking into this website creeps me out to such an extent that I can't even stay with it enough to look over the articles.

Sometimes I have that reaction when the person's work is so GOOD thta they have drawn in so many people and everyone is releasing "crap" all at the same time.

I'm never sure unless I stay with something long enough, but I think there's something very wrong -- deeply wrong -- with the man and his message.  

And that's what I think.

[Telos]

I know what you mean. I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school, was an altar boy, etc., so all of the confusion (read "paschal mystery") about the faith is ingrained into my subconscious :/

I heard one of Fr. Wingate's appearances on Coast to Coast AM, and he talk about how he first started having these visions as a young priest years ago. He said to God that he would need a more corporeal sign from him in order to take these visions seriously. I don't remember the details of the story, but out of no where he received a summons from the pope and a donation of money for the exact amount a plane ticket to get there. He was just a young, nobody priest at the time. The pope said to him, "you must proceed with the work God has planned for you," and encouraged him to keep the faith.

I find it all very deeply disturbing, especially knowing that priests are decidedly imperfect. I'll just have to "pray," and "strengthen my faith," whatever the hell that means. :/

[You]

For those of us who think it's a sin, we would similarly think this priest is sinning. Since he doesn't recognize it, he can't even confess for it, which is very dangerous.

[Leo Volont]

As a Catholic myself I can tell you that the Catholic Church should be seen as a Battlefield between two Forces -- there are the Paulist Bishops who interpret Christ as having had come only to create a Spiritual Status Quo whereby God could be appeased by the Death of His Son for all the Sin that transpires in the World.  Then there is the Faction of the Church that follows the Supernatural Blessed Virgin Mary -- they are the Spiritualists and True Moralists of the Church.  They advance the obligations for Righteousness, Penance for Sin, Love of God and Spiritual Advancement in striving and in Grace.

When the Catholic Church of the Paulist Bishops was strong, they tended to lean on and suppress the Marians.  But these days, we frankly have the Bishops over the barrel.  Now as they look around, their last strong element of Membership left to the Church and the Religious Orders are the Marians.  Of course, that does not stop them from continuing to stand in the way of the Marian Doctrines.  The Supernatural Blessed Virgin has been pushing for the Church to officially accept Her as the Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix of All Grace and Advocate.  The Bishops have been dragging their feet.  But we did win the Battle of the Immaculate Conception which acknowledges that the Blessed Virgin was as Pure as Christ.  The Doctrine of Mary's Bodily Assumption into Heaven validates the same premise, that The Blessed Virgin was ultimately and essentially Pure.

But the Bishops fear that what is acknowledged for Mary is somehow property taken away from Christ.  What they fail to ever consider is that it has been the Supernatural Blessed Virgin Mary who has been appearing to the Seers and Saints of the Church these last 2 Thousand Years.  If Christ thought it was important to protect his Doctrinal Territory, then it would be easy enough for Him to make an Appearance with His Mother and say so.  But apparently He is rather Okay with His Mother being Queen of Heaven and the Angels and with Her being in charge of the Affairs of the World.  If Christ is with His Father in Heaven, then it is the Blessed Virgin who has been delegated to take charge of Humanity.

As for that Priest's particular Site.  He means well, but I've seen better organized Sites.  Do searches on The Blessed Virgin Mary, Apparitions of Mary, Catholic End Times, and stuff like that, and you will see a great deal of stuff that you might find interesting.

[Leo Volont]

As far as Astral Projection goes... all the Great Saints have been known to 'bi-locate' as the Catholics call it.  But the innovation the Catholic Saints added to Astral Projection is that they could seem to actually be in two places at once, as though they were multiplying their physical bodies.

Also, you need to understand the Catholic definition of 'sin'.  Sin is a moral thing -- crimes against humanity.  How could Astral Projection be considered a 'sin'?  Pretend to go to confession and then tell a Priest you Astrally Projected. The Priest would frankly say, "So what?  What exactly did you do wrong?  Whom did you hurt?"  Why, it is no more of a sin than taking a walk in the park.

And yes, if one takes too many walks in the Park at the neglect of one's Spiritual and Religious Obligations, then it begins to be covered as being part of a complex of Sin of Omission, akin to the Sin of Sloth.  But most people are using Astral Projection as a tool in the pursuit of their Spiritual Quest, which is a positive thing.  Yes, it is theoretically possible to trifle with Astral Projection, but for the most part Astral Guides and Angels along the Way serve to correct these abuses as they happen.

people tend to dismiss the Catholic Church as a serious Spiritual Player, but what people forget is that the Contemplative and Ascetic Religious Orders are spending 24 hours a day working on these Spiritual Things.  The Public is kept largely in the dark about their practices.  I myself question why the Religious Orders are virtually sent into Exile before they can practice Spirituality, but it in no way diminishes their accomplishments.  Remember that no Tradition of Spirituality or Religion has been able to equal the accomplishments of the Catholic Church.  No other Organization or School has been able to produce as many Christ-Like Saints of the first and Highest Magnitude.  Hindus have a fine showing, but head for head, the Catholics take the Prize.

[wisp]

Leo Volont,
Wonderful info, thank you. One of the first places I discovered on the net was this link:

http://www.ewtn.com/padrepio/index.htm

Pedre Pio, what an interesting man! I didn't know the other Saints bilocated as well.

What you say about the Blessed Virgin Mary I believe to be true!It's been a long time for me to find out some of these things. Thanks again.

[Leo Volont]

One of the best Projectors and Bi-locators in Catholic Tradition was Anne Catherine Emmerich, the foremost Seer and Visionary in Catholic History. 

She lived in the time of Napoleon and the Napoleonic Wars, and was famous at the time for being a Stigmatic -- the full 5 wounds of Christ and she went decades without being able to eat or drink a bite or a sip, not without the most severe nausea.

Anyway, she was always trancing out into Time and Space.  She knew everything about the actual life of Jesus... in fact every aspect of Doctrine suggested to her some kind of a vision or another.

One of Goethe's friends from Weimar heard of her and paid a visit, and was so intrigued by her that he made it his life's work to keep notebooks of what she would tell him, between Visions.

We know her best today from Mel Gibson's Screen Play of "The Passion" -- based entirely on her Vision.

What impressed me, when reading about her, is that she will be Astrally Projecting over the actual Earth and then come into obviously Astral Realms.

She would have been declared a Saint a very long time ago, but problems arise because her Visions often don't agree in every single detail with received Catholic Tradition, and it embarrasses the Church.  For instance, at the time of her life the Tradition was that Mary had lived out her life in Jerusalem.  But Anne Catherine Emmerich said no no no, she fled from Jerusalem to stay ahead of Paul's Persecutions which killed Stephen and many others we heard nothing about, and then she settled outside of Ephesus in Asia Minor, in Greek Ionia (now Turkey).  Who could believe her... it was based on absolutely nothing.

But then a Frenchman some 50 years later when to Turkey, and following the description of the location, when out into the hills outside Ephesus and asking just a few questions was pointed to what had been a recognized Shrine -- where Mary Mother of Christ was taken up into Heaven.  It was there all the time, but the Catholic World had not alerted to it because, well, all the received Traditions had pointed only toward Jerusalem.

Simularly, where Tradition tells us that Jesus was born in a Stable, Anne Catherine Emmerich said no no no, it was a Cave, or a series of caves east of Town, and she drew a map.  Again, enterprising archeologists easily find exactly what this simple German Nun was able to describe merely from info from her Visions... or what we would call Astral Projections.