Satanism

[The AlphaOmega]

Even Christians can be violent and sadistic.  Many evil acts are committed in the name of God.  Satanism does not always play a role.

[Harvest Moon]

Lucifer as Satan is a lie, Lucifer is latin for "Venus".

Leo you remind me alot of myself, and for that I want to tell you about the dream I had, it comforted me so maybe it'll do the same for you.

I spoke to what I can only describe as God or some sort of diety. He explained to me that there is two types of people, one that needs security, one that needs liberation, though completely differant they move in constant sync and precise motion like a mirror reflection. They derive from the two prime energies, law and chaos.

Science and aicent egyption lore claim chaos created everything, however without a LAW to bind them what would keep chaos and it's word solid? Without law life could not exsist, without chaos life could not exsist, it's like looking at half a glass of milk really.

He told me it was part of our nature to want to destroy the other, lawful men try overwhelm the chaotic with thier larger quantities, chaotics try to overpower lawful with thier stronger auras.These two energies can be seen in everything. And by knowing but a tiny bit about someone I could now determine what they feel, when they'll feel it, and what they'll feel next.

It made me feel bad at first, after all, this met that some I loved were of opposing energy, but that got me to thinking, why can't we use eachother for our own benefit? By doing my part to help the chaos, the chaos will want to repay in gratitude by helping the law, is it right to call what i'm planning to do good? It's benneficial to everyone, but it relies on deceit and selfishness, traits asscosiated with "thw law" itself.

If you ask me the Judeo Christian's take on good and evil is but a battle of law and chaos politics. The only "evil" is ignorance and suffering, noone wants to suffer, and noone bennefits from ignorance.

This "good" we've been taught is nothing but a peversion of the law.
This "evil" we've been warned of is just a dellisuional chaos.

[You]

Even Christians can be violent and sadistic.  Many evil acts are committed in the name of God.  Satanism does not always play a role.

'Even'? 'Can'?

Satanism has NEVER played a role. No one has ever been killed because of Satanism. Nearly all religious acts were committed in the name of one omnipotent deity or the other, Yahweh being the most popular, he being the most notorious.

[The AlphaOmega]

Um, I'm not sure if you agree or disagree with your quotations there, doesn't matter I suppose.  I think more important than Christian or Satanic, is extremist.  So many Christians take their beliefs to such extremes that they often believe killing in God's name is justified.  But they are not alone.  There is not a single religion in which at least a few members inflict atrocities in the name of that religion... even (and often especially) if it goes against that religions actual beliefs.  It's this "your opinion versus my opinion" mentality that is the true cause of all this conflict in the first place.  There are many beliefs.  In each belief there are many members who go against it.  There is hypocrisy in each and every religious sect on this planet.  Does that not make us equals?

[You]

No, it does not make us equals.

Christianity has many instances in the bible where God kills, or people kill for him and God favours it. 'Thou shalt not kill' is misplaced, and ignored, making it subjective to all readers. It uses a non-individual approach, promotes converting others (as has been done through violence), as well as intolerance of others who 'sin'.

No one has killed in the name of Satanism, they can only use it as an excuse. The 'don't break the law' statement is quite clear, and can never be circumvented. There aren't any human sacrifices allowed either, unlike the many sacrifices in the Holy Bible.

[The AlphaOmega]

I haven't studied much about satanism, but to make the statement that no one has killed in the name of satan is pure fallacy.  Of course people have sacrificed (men, women and babies) in the name of satan.  Whether it goes against the belief (I doubt it does) does not mean it is not done.  Just as many atrocities have been done in satans name as in Gods.  Thus, in a sense, the religions are equals.  The beliefs and teachings are different, but somewhere around the world you can find followers of both beliefs that commit the very same acts in the name of their God (or satan)... equals in the sense that despite the belief, the actions carried out in the name of that belief can somewhere be found as the very same.  It is true that there are instances in the bible that God agrees with killing... it is also true that some teachings of satan agree with killing as well.  The difference is in context, not in action.

[You]

False.

First off, nowhere near as many people have been killed in the name of Satan as god.

Secondly, there is a difference between being killed in the name of Satan, and being killed in the name of Satanism.

Satanists do not believe in Satan as a deity.

[Gandalf]

Also as the concept of satan is a christian concept anyway, (or more accuratly, a concept from late judaism whch then influenced christianity and islam), there is really no difference in who has killed more. Anyone who acknowledges satan is a product of christianity in any case, as it is through christianity that they first encountered 'Satan', so all this debate about 'who killed more' is a moot point.
How many people has christianity killed is a more accurate point. or how many people has religion killed even better.
or how about how many people has science killed?

Doug

[no_leaf_clover]

..or how many people people have killed, and are still killing this very minute. It's just animalistic. :/

[You]

Science doesn't kill anyone, accidents and misuse by PEOPLE do.

Christianity has killed a lot of people, but there's not even a need to go that broad. The number of people killed in the NAME of it is enough.

[Gandalf]

Science doesn't kill anyone, accidents and misuse by PEOPLE do.

Christianity has killed a lot of people, but there's not even a need to go that broad. The number of people killed in the NAME of it is enough.

Tyciol_

People have been killed in the NAME of science just as much as they have been through religion.
I'm afraid science doesnt have much of a better track record than religion once you look at it properly.

Try the theory of eugenics, survival of the fittest and other late 19th century/early 20th century racial doctrines based on science of its day, resulting in the logical conclusion of the nazi death camps.

Of course you will say 'but that wasnt proper science, that was a twisted corrupted perversion of science, warped in order to justify certain ideas'.

My answer is complete agreement. But it is the exact same process that happens with religious persecution and genocide and torture based on religious priniciples. They are also justifed through a perversion and twisting of religious ideas, in all likelyhood quite the opposite of what the originator had intended.

In one way, you are right.. religion and science themselves do not kill people, but both have been used in exactly the same way in order to justify murder. Science has inspired just as much in the way of death and horror as religion has. And dont get me started on the technology of war, which science has also playe a full an active role in.

For this reason, It really strikes me as utter naivity when some people, particlurly anti-religion types, say that there would be no problems in the world if there was no religion and only pure science: absolute naivity.

The true source of the problem is not, religion or science.. it is Human Beings...

[-lines-]

If you think about it, science works off of a belief system much like religion and there are people who would question it or accept it whole-heartedly the same as people who are religious. Theorists and scientists are ridiculed for their beliefs in how the Science of the Universe (tm) works and there are those who choose to believe the mainstream views and ridicule those who try to think about it differently.

The world was once flat and the center of the universe. Those that tried to explain differently didn't do so well.

[You]

What a load. The Nazi rise was not based on science, it was based in racism and even some strange religious practises (not sure what they were... some christian aspects but mostly a bunch of weird pagan stuff I heard). The Nazi rise was not based on evolution at all, and the concept of wiping out your enemies to repopulate the world with your choice of people was not originated by science at all.

[Gandalf]

Once again ,you misunderstand what i'm saying. i'm saying that nazi atrocity was *justified* through a perverse interpretation of current science.

Just as other atrocities are justified through a perverse interpretation of religion.

So what I'm saying is that it is utter naivity for secularists to imagine that in a world of 'pure science' with no religion (their ideal world), then there would be less atrocities. This is wrong, as people generely make use of whatever's around to justify their reasons fo doing something and making it 'right'.

And if you think that eugenic theories of science were not DEEPLY influential (even in america) and did not have an impact on racism and the ideologies of nazism then you do nothing more than display your utter ignorance of the wider context of the period.

Doug

[You]

I'm not saying there would be none, but there would definitely be less. Religion generally propagates ignorance whereas science propagates learning, so you can't help but be better educated on the decisions you make.

I don't believe the Nazis founded it on a perversion of science either, it was far more racism than science or evolution that was being warped. It was based more on the idea that other races were evil and impure and were conspiring to destroy their way of life, bringing them down and enslaving them and that they needed to be punished for it.

[MindFreak]

The Satanism that I'm familiar with teaches that Satan was the true creator of mankind. It teaches kindness and morality and also teaches that yaweh was the evil one. I assume there are satanists who worship the traditional christian idea of Satan, in which case I'm sure morality does not play a major role.

I am not a satanist or christian and I do not believe in either god or satan but I like to read about other religions.

I was curious if anyone else is familiar with this other form of Satanism. Myself, Im not familiar with any other kind.

[You]

The Satanism that I'm familiar with teaches that Satan was the true creator of mankind. It teaches kindness and morality and also teaches that yaweh was the evil one. I assume there are satanists who worship the traditional christian idea of Satan, in which case I'm sure morality does not play a major role.

I am not a satanist or christian and I do not believe in either god or satan but I like to read about other religions.

I was curious if anyone else is familiar with this other form of Satanism. Myself, Im not familiar with any other kind.

That's some kind of theistic satanism. People have practised all sorts of things they label satanism just as much as they practise things labeled Christianity, differing all over the place.

The official Satanism, is the one established by Anton La Vey in 1966 through publishing The Satanic Bible and establishment of the Church of Satan. All others lost out, and should find new names, and for the most part, they have. The ones who don't are just pathetic.

[MindFreak]

Any form of Satanism that encourages kindness is certainly less pathetic than one that does not.

[daidaluz]

I read this somewhere..

 " Mankind is created from the blood of the evil and from the soul of divinity, so mankind possesses the key by which he can open the gates of absolute evil, and he possesses the weapons by which the evil was defeated in a time beyond knowledge and his consciousness is the covenant between spirit and matter"

 would this mean anything?

[rhai]

I was a Satanist last year but I wasn't the type of a satanist who chops the cats heads off or drinks blood of animals etc. I was a modern one: P It was because of the sins that Satanism has like 7 deadly sins but there were only 3 in Satanism I think, that was the reason that I became a Satanist. But then I realized that I can consider those sins by not being a Satanist too. I'm an agnostic now and living the life on my own, with my own thoughts, own believes of myself and the world

[Projector]

I have not read through all of your guys posts yet..

But have any of you met satan in the astral?? This guy just pisses me off. He watches me constantly (not him personally but the fallen angles do)

I have fought satan himself with the help of King Jesus. He actually HATES projectors cause he can not do anything to us in the astral except scare us. He does not of any power over me. He promised me many things tho if I stop fighting him and join him.

But I can't say I have a religion I would classify myself as a "Christian" if anyone asks tho. I just follow the bible for the religious of the modern world have been corrupted.







-The Projector-

[CaCoDeMoN]

But have any of you met satan in the astral?? This guy just pisses me off. He watches me constantly (not him personally but the fallen angles do)

I've only met Lucifer and a few demons while in astral. I've nearly had a kundalini raising with his help, but it was stopped because I was afraid of not being able to fully control it.
You have to remember that there are two Satan entities. One is Lucifer - and he is certainly friendly, and second is a thought form created as a scapegoat by religions like Christianity. My friend met the second one in astral once and said that it was the most scary experience in his life.
I was a Spiritual Satanist, but not anymore, because every religion carries some limitations and there's no religion I can 100% agree with.

[Projector]

What do you mean friendly?? Or waz that a joke? That guy is an A-Hole I will fight him any chance I get. Lucifer wants to take me out of the astral or join him. He kept promising me 'impossible' things like being able to project anytime and stuff. He is a liar.

I've only met Lucifer and a few demons while in astral. I've nearly had a kundalini raising with his help, but it was stopped because I was afraid of not being able to fully control it.

Did you seek him?

What did the Lucifer you see look like? When I saw him he was a pretty boy but with dark eyes and black hair. He dresses kinda fancy too.






-The Projector-

[Gandalf]

Bascially, if you believe in 'the devil' or 'lucifer' you will get him. Eventually you will begin to see past this 'thought = action' process but how close you are to this realisation is impossible for me to tell exactly, but it sounds like you still have pretty far to go.

Doug

[Projector]

Don't talk down to me.