The churches have lied

[The AlphaOmega]

Ah, so you are going to start your own religion also based on negativity?  You feel that the modern religions carry negative context, so you are going to form your own that discusses the flaws in all other religions?  You have the right idea in thinking that God loves everyone, and that anything contrary to this teaching is wrong.  I fully agree.  But you must remember that ALL religious leaders are human, and fallability is in our nature.  It's a strange mentality when you say that because religion is wrong, you're going to start a religion.  I don't need a priest or a bishop to commune with God and dicide if I am worthy or unworthy, sinful or right.  I speak with God directly on a personal level and trust fully what I feel He speaks to me.  It's likewise for others, like yourself I'm sure.  You don't need religion to have a relationship with God or understand the truth.  Some people just need it to re-establish their beliefs week by week and give them strength for the trials they face.  Others do not.  But we ALL make personal choices what to believe.  You can't blame religion for individual decisions.  Don't like it, don't agree with it?  Perfectly understandable.  But doesn't it make more sense to dimiss it from your life, rather than try to rally others to your cause?

[beavis]

Be careful what you say or the lord will smite you. I heard the last person who disrespected god like that, god sent christians to bug them for many weeks and demand they go to hell.

lol only joking

[exothen]

FreeFaller,

quote:according to the bible god hates nothing, but loves everything and everyone even his enemy satin.

Proverbs 6:16-19, "16 There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness {who} utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers."

Isaiah 61:8, "8 For I, the LORD, love justice, I hate robbery in the burnt offering; And I will faithfully give them their recompense And make an everlasting covenant with them."

Malachi 2:16, '16 "For I hate divorce," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "and him who covers his garment with wrong," says the LORD of hosts. "So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously."'

Which is why Romans 12:9 states "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good."

God hates evil and sin.

[The AlphaOmega]

And yet He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son.  With the atonement there is only hate among men.  God knows we will ALL sin, and therefor made a path that we can be saved.  You say God hates evil and sin, then he must hate everyone, for those things are within us all.  Who among us has never done evil?  Who among us has never sinned?  He does not hate, he loves, that's why He sent us Christ... so that we can be with him again despite all our iniquities!  We haven't the knowledge or the authority to speak for God.  To tell others what God thinks and feels and what He will do to sinners.  Would you allow a child to decide who you love and who you hate, and what to do to them?

[exothen]

The AlphaOmega,

quote:You say God hates evil and sin, then he must hate everyone, for those things are within us all.

God hates the sin, not the sinner.

quote:He does not hate, he loves, that's why He sent us Christ

Think about what you are saying - if God does not hate sin and evil, then why did he even need to send Christ? Why didn't he just love us they way we were?

quote:We haven't the knowledge or the authority to speak for God. To tell others what God thinks and feels and what He will do to sinners.

Sure we do. God revealed himself to the writers of the Bible, giving us a guide to live a moral life as wells as consequences of our choices. He also gives people authority to speak the things in the Bible to warn others of the consequences of how they are living - apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, and evangelists. I don't necessarily agree with the tactics used by some ("repent or go to hell," as true as that is) since they are narrowly focused and miss the bigger picture.

[shedt]

quote:Originally posted by The AlphaOmega

Ah, so you are going to start your own religion also based on negativity?

who says you can't turn something good out of something bad?

quote:
 You feel that the modern religions carry negative context, so you are going to form your own that discusses the flaws in all other religions?

I don't think that he said anything about any specific religion. But since he is posing in modern christianity I would imagine that is the religion he is talking about.

did he say that they were going to focus on what was wrong with other religions ? I must be reading it wrong, because I thought it was going to be about what HE and his friends believes.

quote:  It's a strange mentality when you say that because religion is wrong, you're going to start a religion.

I think he ment a specific one and not all in general. that sounds like a good practice to me. Whats wrong with finding out your own beliefs and sticking to them ? whats the problem with creating your religion if others to not fit ?

quote:I don't need a priest or a bishop to commune with God and dicide if I am worthy or unworthy, sinful or right.  I speak with God directly on a personal level and trust fully what I feel He speaks to me.  It's likewise for others, like yourself I'm sure.  You don't need religion to have a relationship with God or understand the truth.  Some people just need it to re-establish their beliefs week by week and give them strength for the trials they face.  Others do not.  But we ALL make personal choices what to believe.  You can't blame religion for individual decisions.  Don't like it, don't agree with it?  Perfectly understandable.  But doesn't it make more sense to dimiss it from your life, rather than try to rally others to your cause?

I agree with you, but I'm not sure if he is rallying others. maybe he is just reachng out, like others do when they go to church.

Sorry FreeFaller if you are a woman

[FreeFaller]

i think you people get me wrong

in a way. what i think i am trying to say is that i dont fully agree with church and the bible cant be exactly like it was when it was created, and i never sayd god hated the sinner ok i was saying what the church said. as for the new religion...not much for a new religion, but more of wanting to get together with others that have the same view as i do...i dont think you understand me exactly what i am tryign to say, and maybe i incorrectly typed what i meant. by accident.

[Taalnar]

Freefaller, you know how many hail mary's that first post is going to cost you??? [}:)]

Nah, I was once talking to these people (Roman Catholic) and one of them had got divorced and had gone to a few churches to do confession but when she mentioned divorce all the priests would say that "you can not be forgiven, we will call this an informal discussion and it is best for you to leave".

So anyway, she was talking to the other people and they were telling her of churches to go to with more forgiving priests.   I felt sorry for her since she was full on believing she would go to hell if she could not find a priest to forgive her.  She seemed so vulnerable.[]

[FreeFaller]

Why WHy WHy why the churches. churches have told me that and many other people that god hate this or god hates that. WHAT? according to the bible god hates nothing, but loves everything and everyone even his enemy satin. so the churches are going aroung telling you:

you have not paid the church , you have sinned.

homosexual people are sinners for life and shal not be forgiven(for another post)

you did not go to church last weekend god is mad.

you are or have done something god now hates you you must be cleansed.

i have heard alot of bull from churches. i dont like what they go around telling people. my friend and i are thinking of creating our own religion in what we believe not what the church believes. in another one of my posts i discuss how christianity today is a lie a joke. the churches have caused this and ruined the true meaning