The Left Hand Path or Satanism

[Gandalf]

Narrow Path_
SATAN IS YOUR TRUE MASTER.... YE SHALL BOW BEFORE HIM AND KISS HIS ORNAMENTAL COD-PIECE.

VERILY NONE SHALL COME TO HIM BUT THROUGH THE COD-PIECE, IT IS WRITTEN.

Douglas

[Tab]

quote:Sounds a lot like what most here believe without the "Satan".

Not surprising, considering the fact that Satanism is nothing but an organized rip off of an occult eastern concept. Kind of like Christianity.. only less distorted.

Remember, allanon, that your satan is far from a Jewish concept, but one of the Zoroastrians that was adopted during the Babylonian captivity. In that respect, he was never meant to be the antithesis or the disobediant fallen angel of the Jewish god JHVH.

[Narrow Path]

http://www.dpjs.co.uk/lefthandpath.html

You may as well call yourselves that because your belief systems match up like a Deutsh Salami with a 12 inch Hoagy role!

[Tab]

Well, here I am to debunk another one of your wet dream anthropomorphic fantasies. Will you ever learn?
You believe in the God of LIGHT and the God of DARKNESS. You name them Jehovah and Satan. You subscribe to Jehovah, because he is light, he is pleasure, goodness, happiness. That is the only reason you subscribe to Jehova instead of Satan. In order to satisfy your material, self-centered concept of pleasure. My belief, ancient belief, does not think in these terms when it speaks of GOD. To do so would be utter defilation of what GOD is (was, before the semites). On those terms, GOD is ALL. GOD is not a point opposing another point known as Satan. GOD is the point above the line, which creates the sacred triangle and the trinity of ALL THAT IS. This is a facet of the dogma, if it can be called that, of differentiation.
Our GOD, produced and created your Jehovah and Satan as opposing poles in the universal self to create the illusion of awareness, the illusion of separatedness.
You, in your materialistic and self gratifying folly, have mistaken the positive, energetically-providing, the 'good' pleasureful pole for the one true GOD and have sworn to him. In doing so, you have been completely defiled by your materialism and lost the concept of what you really are. You have anthropomorphized and perverted the meaning of GOD in order to suit your limited physical concept of good.
Some day, you shall come to realize that your gods, the one you worship for blessing you with pleasure in your mind, and the one you curse for inflicting you with suffering in your mind, are nothing but an illusion which you were meant to realize and break through. Transcend as to become one with the true GOD.


What the hell did I just write o.O

[no_leaf_clover]

I agree with Gandalf. [8D] But aside from all of that..

Modern Satanism is just a bunch of self-centered and often very arrogant principles and beliefs based on occult and Christian ideas/beliefs, in a good mix, only made to look 'bad-assed' for posers who want people to think they're bad. That's what I gathered, and that's why I'm no longer Satanist. As an example, Satanists claim their version of 'Satan' is not related to Satan from the Bible, but a symbol of their beliefs. Well, in that case it wasn't very smart for them to make that symbol the stereotype of the devil, was it? It's all for attention. Bunch of dicks run it if you ask me, but the ideas themselves come directly from both metaphysical ideas and Christianity itself.

[Soulfire]

Narrow Path,

What exactly is your objective in this post?  What exactly are you trying to accomplish by labelling us?  I truly do not understand.  You have to know that most of the people here make a sincere effort to be kind and loving people.  That may not be "good enough" for you, but how do you feel you are helping anybody by these kinds of actions and accusations?

You might say to yourself, "I am simply telling the "truth" - you are Satanists!".  Let's just pretend for one moment that you are "right" and we are all "wrong".  I ask you this: What "good" is produced by truth if there is no loving intent to go along with it?  If a person you know is not particularly physically attractive or doesn't shower enough, what "good" is accomplished by going up to them and saying, "Hey BUTTFACE: YOU STINK!"?

Jesus manifested love in everything he did.  From what I learned when I used to be a Christian, your aim should be to emulate Jesus as best you can in all that you do?  To let Jesus and his love live through you?  I'm sorry man, but no matter how you look at it, your actions here on this forum are not at all loving or Christlike.  If you really take your devotion Jesus seriously, I sincerely suggest that you think and pray about that...

--Soulfire

[MJ-12]

bv

[kakkarot]

quote:Originally posted by Narrow Path

Sounds a lot like what most here believe without the "Satan".

"a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet." shakespeare

most of what satanists believe aren't that bad of ideals. out of that list i myself stand for individualism, free-thought/free-will, personal living rather than living in conformity to others, self-development, self-analysis.

however some disparages between me and that list are that i stand for a mixture of understandings between absolutes and relativisms when it comes to truth, as well as a mixture of understandings between moral absolutism and moral relativism, and a mixture of self empowerment and empowerment through God (though only for those who choose to follow God).

i do not stand for selfishness (although i do understand how anyone who didn't believe in living their lives for a "higher" purpose would be "justified" in being selfish).

but i would not advocate for anyone to live a solitary (either physical or religious) life for their entire lives. "all things in moderation".

truly there are only a few major differences between the philosophy of "holy bible" and the philosophy of the "satanic bible". for instance, whereas there is nothing wrong with the mundane christianity holds that we should look beyond that for our hope and our faith. as well, while satanism adheres very strongly to the belief in giving in to "carnal" desires (which is a belief that is rightfully tied in to a mundane life since for those who have no hope in something "beyond now" their pleasures and hope must be derived from the now), christianity holds that such things stunt our personal growth and get in the way of our relationship with God (because in the long run they don't matter, and so to place too great of importance on them is to doom yourself to a useless life).

of course, there are many other differences and similarities so it is up to the individual to research for themselves and choose which life they wish to follow (out of the many diverse paths, not just between satanism and christianity) based upon their own experiences, understandings, and how they *want* to live their own life.

~kakkarot

[Narrow Path]

Satanism is what they teach in the Universitites.

Ask any college kid of they believe in Moral Absolutes and 99 percent of the time you get a NO.

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:Ask any college kid of they believe in Moral Absolutes and 99 percent of the time you get a NO.

The ideas behind this are older than Satanism is.

quote:"a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet." shakespeare

[8D]

[kakkarot]

the entire society of north america is based upon moral relativism. so? is it for you or i to *condemn* others just because they believe something different from us? especially considering it is *us* who have the "radical" views in such a society.

what we choose to believe is just that: a choice. we cannot *know* whether we are right or wrong until all is "said and done" and we die (we can believe it, and we can even believe that we know it, but we cannot truly know). and in the same way we cannot *know* that others are wrong just because they lead different lives than us. hence why christianity is as much an individual path as it is filled with fellowship among others who believe the same.

and no_leaf_clover is absolutely right about those ideas predating any religion of satanism. "satanism" is merely a collection of beliefs and philosophies which (mostly if not completely) promote selfishness and pleasures of the physical world, such as has existed long before christianity came up (which is where the so-called "being" satan is first "named"). in the same way there are many religions that predate christianity which teach against the previous beliefs, claiming that they are wasteful and only get in the way of what should be a human's true goal: enlightenment. same stuff by a different name.

~kakkarot

[Mustardseed]

It seems to me some are so afraid of passing any kind of judgement that they end up with ....... nothing. They are spiritually politically correct and go to the attack on anyone who has values. I think the posts speak for themselves. I think you would rather have him go away (NP)so you could all sit and be cozy and agree with each other and call each other great thinkers, wow that is soooo deep, wow that is sooooo interesting, wow   that is sooooheavy man. In this you err and have the potential to become blind leaders of the blind
Rehards Mustardseed

[kakkarot]

i think i would rather have him be more polite and at least not aggressive in trying to tell others that what he believes is the "only truth" and if we don't agree with him then we are fools and "decieved by satan".

debates are okay on these forums, it's what they are here for. judgement is not.

for instance:  

quote:Satanism is what they teach in the Universitites

. that is quite obviously a slanderous accusation against educational institutions, seemingly propogated by his own belief that if others don't think the way he does then they are satanic (and if i'm wrong, what is the reason for such a "bold" statement?[|)]).

~kakkarot

[MJ-12]

xc

[Avalon]

I've never heard of the "left hand path" but if the term was coined by Satanism through Christianity, your definition makes sense.

In ancient religion, the "left hand side" was originally thought to be ruled by the Goddess, and the right by the God.  Interestingly enough, Italian and French words for "left" are sinistra and gauche, respectively.  And today, anything considered radical is "left hand thought", anything irrational is "left brained" and anything EVIL is SINISTER.

If you have any questions about what the female spirit means to Christians, read Genesis (Eve was created via Adams rib, although women are the childbearers), original sin was perpetrated by Eve, Mary Magdalene was a whore (although there are historians who believe she was actually married to Jesus and bore his child).  Even the Virgin Mary couldn't take credit for conceiving Jesus Christ as he was the immaculate conception.  

Did you know that millions of women were killed during the crusades?  A book was published during the Catholic Inquisition called Malleus Maleficarium that told the world of the dangers of "freethinking women" or witches as the Church put it.  Reminds me of the Salem witch trials.  

Yep, sounds Christian to me.  Sounds evil too.

[Narrow Path]

You guys dont believe in an all powerful, all knowing, all perfect God do you?

Cause if you did then you would see that there is OBJECTIVE TRUTH FOR MORALS.

Satan's first sin and fall comes down to the fact that he challenged God's authority and wanted the throne for himself. So yes moral relativism does predate religions of man by a long shot.

[h2owong]

Actually, our left hand is control by our right brain, and right hand is control by our left brain.  

Interesting, if God is all, then any saying that has leftover, is not God's saying.  If you talk about good, then the bad is leftover.  If you talk about truth, you miss the false.  How can God stand only in one side if it is all?  And afterall, you can't even use "God" this three letter word.  Because when you use it, you will miss all the other 23 letters.....

Of cause, these are only my saying.  God will never say anything.[}:)]

[MJ-12]

hkj

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by Narrow Path


Satan's first sin and fall comes down to the fact that he challenged God's authority and wanted the throne for himself. So yes moral relativism does predate religions of man by a long shot.

Is that all you ever do? blame yer problems on some fantastical illusion of some bad guy you made up? If satan is so powerful then why is he bothering with you? I knew lots of people like you when I was a xian. they whined "satan keeps attacking me!" it wasnt satan, it was their own ignorance and incompetence. In regards to morals one should ask themselves where the action will lead to.

one peoples moral dictate is anothers social taboo.

Xander

[James S]

Nice point xander!

What I saw from many years in the church was Satan being blamed for everything from wars to toothaches. He's the ultimate scapegoat!

The worst thing I think is when people start blaming Satan for thier own stupidity. This is perpetuated by over-zealous ministers & pastors who whip people up in a "blame Satan" frenzy, so more and more people seem to think its ok to blame all their bad habits and behavioural issues on Satan instead of learning to take responsibility for their own actions.

James.

[Robert Bruce]

NarrowMind,

Where do you get off stating that freedom of thought is Satanic? Your list of LHP traits decries just about everything that is good in modern society. I suppose you smugly believe that everyone who does not believed 'exactly' as you do is a Satanist.

Take a look at your list of Satanic LHP qualities

Features of LHP philosophies frequently include:
Emphasis on freethought, not dogma or strict systems.
Highly individualistic
A distinct rejection of absolutes and moralism
Personal, not universal.
Freethought, Individualism and moral relativism

But if you reverse the meanings in the above list you get another list, and that list is similar to one used to identify unhealthy mind control cults, eg.

Emphasis on closed mindedness, dogma and strict systems
Highly group oriented
Acceptance of absolutes and strict moralism
Group, not personal
Closed mindedness, group oriented, moral absolutes

NarrowMind, by your own statements you stand for blind adherence to an outdated, distorted religious doctrine that is based on mind control and the persecution of all who do not believe 'exactly' as you do.

By your own words, you suggest that if you had the power you would burn all the books and close all the universities and censor all public media, thereby actively suppressing freedom of thought and expression.

Women would become second-class citizens, as they already are in most christian fundamentalist churches.  And people would be persecuted as heretics for disagreeing with the slightest part of your closed minded dogma.  

(I have known people involved with christian fundamentalist churches who have been 'raided'. Their homes were searched and all books and recordings that were not on the 'church list' were confiscated and burned, including some children's school books. This happens regularly and is accepted and considered 'normal' by church members).

Children would be brainwashed from birth, not to question and not to think freely, but to only obey your blind and constrictive dogma, as is already happening in many christian fundamentalist schools.

You would turn humanity into a flock of bleating, mindless sheep that are incapable of thinking for themselves! This, by design, would elevate the priesthood into absolute power... and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

More people have been killed in the name of Jesus Christ, at the hands of religious fanatics like yourself, than in any other name. This is fact.

And you wonder why your churches are emptying in droves.

You must be blind not see that what you are doing is essential evil.


NarrowMind, your 15 minutes are up.


RB.

quote:Originally posted by Narrow Path

1. The meaning and usage of the term 'LHP' in the West
"Satanism is not a white light religion; it is a religion of the flesh, the mundane, the carnal - all of which are ruled by Satan, the personification of the Left Hand Path"
The Satanic Bible, Book Of Lucifer 3:paragraph 30

The Left Hand Path is solitary, individualistic, personal, based on self development, self analysis, self empowerment. Altruism is materialistically equated as long term selfishness. I think all forms of Satanism are considered Left Hand Path, even Devil Worship and inverse Christian-Satanists are Left Hand Path, although they are frequently considered deluded. Frequently called "evil" and "dark" by non Satanic religions, the followers of the left hand path often have had to remain in the darkness or face severe persecution from the religions that ironically call themselves "good". This is testimony enough that the image of the purely "good" icons is a veneer; a non-truth.

Features of LHP philosophies frequently include:

Emphasis on freethought, not dogma or strict systems.
Highly individualistic
A distinct rejection of absolutes and moralism
Personal, not universal.
Freethought, Individualism and moral relativism

Left Hand Path philosophies all have an emphasis on freethought; not dogma or strict systems. The "rules" in LHP religions are frequently merely "guidelines". The same attitude it applied to all knowledge, including that of the knowledge of reality and morals. Subjectivism and relativism are almost universally assumed amongst followers of the left hand path.

Personal Belief, not Universal
Left Hand Path philosophies do not claim that they are the best religion for all people and frequently claim they are only a valid religion for some people. "Satanists are born, not made" Anton LaVey. Satanism and the LHP is striking for the lack of missionizing. This is probably the result of the admission that no religion, philosophy or belief system is suitable for all people.

Sounds a lot like what most here believe without the "Satan".

[Makaveli]

Great post Robert!

Allanon,

You clearly know the truth so I dare not question that.  So in order for me to avoid being mislead by Satan should I:

-Let fanatics such as yourself tell me exactly what the truth is, what to believe, and how to act.
-Close my mind and censor myself to anything outside of the church.  
-Bash other beliefs and be very judgemental because thats what Jesus wants us to do.
-Preach fear and use threats of eternal hell in order to convert the heathens.
-Spend large amounts of time scaring myself and others about Satan who God gives so much power and influence over us.  
-Attack any questioning of the strict fundamentalist or evangelist views.  
-Twist the meaning of a few bible passages in order to inforce narrow dogmatic views.
??

[James S]

Makaveli,

It is with very little regret that I wish to inform you that Narrow Path will no longer be able to respond to your post.

[]
James.

[Makaveli]

quote:Originally posted by James S

Makaveli,

It is with very little regret that I wish to inform you that Narrow Path will no longer be able to respond to your post.

[]
James.

I guess I'll have to go back to being mislead by Satan, I was so close to being converted.

[Tab]

Aw man, and it was so much fun criticizing him :\