There are people who believe Jesus was Gay....there are claims that his sexual lifestyle was censored from the scriptures because it was so unconventional.
quotes below from (http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jegay.htm)
"In the Gospel of John, the disciple John frequently refers to himself in the third person as 'the disciple whom Jesus loved'." 4 One might argue that Jesus loved all of his followers in a non-sexual way. Thus to identify Jesus' love for John in a special way might indicate a sexual relationship. The disciple was "the" beloved. He was in a class by himself. "
"The late Morton Smith, of Columbia University reported in 1958 that he had found a fragment of a manuscript which at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem. It contained the full text of Mark, chapter 10. Apparently the version that is in the Christian Scriptures is an edited version of the original. Additional verses allegedly formed part of the full version of Mark, and were inserted after verse 34. It discusses how a young man, naked but for a linen covering, expressed his love for Jesus and stayed with him at his place all night
"
"J Richards" suggested that Mark 7:14-16 shows that Jesus approves of homosexual acts. The critical phrase reads: "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him..." Richards suggests that Jesus gave great emphasis to this teaching, directing it to everyone. Richards suggests that the sentence refers to dietary laws and also extends to "blood transfusions, medication, organ transplants, and artificial insemination" and to homosexual acts as well. "
below quotes from (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/apr/04/jesus-gay-man-codices)
"The most astounding finding from the newly discovered lead codices is that Jesus Christ was unambiguously and openly gay. He and his disciples formed a same-sex coterie, bound by feelings of love and mutual support. There are recorded instances of same-sex activity – the "beloved disciple" plays a significant role – and there is affirmation of the joys of friendship and of living and loving together.
A whole new complexion is given to that rather puzzling passage where Jesus exhorts his followers to break family ties: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14, 26). It seems clear now that this is less a negative repudiation of family and more a positive exhortation to join in affirmation of a gay lifestyle and love."
article below (http://www.spiritrestoration.org/Church/All%20About%20Church%20Articles/The-Strange-Case-of-the-Secret-Gospel-of-Mark.htm)
The first fragment of the Secret Gospel of Mark, meant to be inserted between Mark 10.34 and 35, reads:
They came to Bethany. There was one woman there whose brother had died. She came and prostrated herself before Jesus and spoke to him. "Son of David, pity me!" But the disciples rebuked her. Jesus was angry and went with her into the garden where the tomb was. Immediately a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going up to it, Jesus rolled the stone away from the door of the tomb, and immediately went in where the young man was. Stretching out his hand, he lifted him up, taking hold his hand. And the youth, looking intently at him, loved him and started begging him to let him remain with him. And going out of the tomb, they went into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus gave him an order and, at evening, the young man came to him wearing nothing but a linen cloth. And he stayed with him for the night, because Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. And then when he left he went back to the other side of the Jordan.
Then a second fragment of Secret Mark is given, this time to be inserted into Mark 10.46. This has long been recognized as a narrative snag in Mark's Gospel, as it awkwardly reads, "Then they come to Jericho. As he was leaving Jericho with his disciples..." This strange construction is not present in Secret Mark, which reads:
Then he came into Jericho. And the sister of the young man whom Jesus loved was there with his mother and Salome, but Jesus would not receive them.
John 21:20
"Peter turned around and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved. That disciple was following them. He was the one who leaned against Jesus' chest at the supper and asked, "Lord, who is going to betray you?"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Valentin_de_boulogne%2C_John_and_Jesus.jpg/175px-Valentin_de_boulogne%2C_John_and_Jesus.jpg)
lol.
who cares.
people fuss over the most trivial things.
in the grand scheme of your life you really find the investigation of an imaginary figure's sexuality to be important?
come on.
i hear santa clause is a transvestite.
lol.
Well, honestly... only modern day times have demonized homosexuality and bisexuality. I believe that back in the Roman/Greek days it was actually quite common and widely accepted.
It's only because of religious fervor that it began to become demonized.
Quote from: personalreality on May 01, 2011, 08:58:09
lol.
who cares.
people fuss over the most trivial things.
in the grand scheme of your life you really find the investigation of an imaginary figure's sexuality to be important?
come on.
i hear santa clause is a transvestite.
lol.
I think jesus did exist, but what most people don't realise about the bible is that it is a story. Each 'miracle' has come from word of mouth stories passed on over many years. The new testament was written between 100 and 300 years after christ died. Is it so unbelievable that in three centuries there wouldn't be mistranslations. This also helps as there is a believable story behind eveyr 'miracle' even in the old testament. For example moses splitting the red sea to free the slaves from the egyptian army. The slaves (it goes without saying) had nothing, and thusforth were lightweight, where as the army are on horseback wearing armour. The army thusforth sink into the sand, and the slaves can walk relatively easily across the marshes. The book of Exodus dates back (estimate) to 1441BC so is it so hard to believe that this story has been mistranslated over 3462 years? (This is just an example from the top of my head, obviously not involving jesus)
So i think saying jesus was imaginary is an outlandish statement, he was very real and people of the time (until this day) consider him the son of god, which is even more outlandish, I think he was just born to a, frankly, slutty mother who couldnt admit to joseph that she clearly slept around.
I've gone off on a bit of a tangent here, but to conclude; (In my perception) Jesus was real, Just misguided. and to bring it back to the real topic, i don't think it matters at all if he was gay. The dogmatic religious institutions around the world arn't going to open their mind to the concept.
The story of Jesus is a common story that was hijacked by the ruling class some 300+ years after the man supposedly existed. The Greeks and Egyptians both had the story for millennia before "Jesus" lived. In Egypt it was the story of Osiris who was killed by his brother set and was then ressurected as his son, Horus. In Greece it was the story of the Goodman (though the Greek story includes the Christ's feminine counterpart, Sophia). You can find this story over and over again in myths from around the world, and from much older epochs than the Christian story. At the very least the story is little more than sun God worship. The ONLY mention of Jesus is in the Bible. There are no other contemporary historical stories of a man similar to Jesus who performed his miracles. It makes more sense to recognize the story as an allegory for personal transformation or alchemy that was turned into a system of control. There was no historical Jesus. Perhaps at some time long before the supposed birth of Jesus a similar man existed, but could we not conclude that he was equally likely to have been the Buddha or Lao tsu, or some other sage?
I think its absolutely ludicrous that anyone can believe in the reality o
Quote from: Lexy on May 01, 2011, 06:28:29
There are people who believe Jesus was Gay....there are claims that his sexual lifestyle was censored from the scriptures because it was so unconventional.
quotes below from (http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jegay.htm)
"In the Gospel of John, the disciple John frequently refers to himself in the third person as 'the disciple whom Jesus loved'." 4 One might argue that Jesus loved all of his followers in a non-sexual way. Thus to identify Jesus' love for John in a special way might indicate a sexual relationship. The disciple was "the" beloved. He was in a class by himself. "
I agree with Xanth, and there other ways to explain (especially if you take the gnostic gospels into account) some of this information.
First of all:
The Gospel of John is believed to have been written as a retort to the Gospel of Thomas (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html), as it was written a few years after the G.of Th. In this gospel Thomas the Twin is referred to as the beloved and the twin brother many times. Some scholars believe that when John describes himself as the beloved, this is as a direct challenge to Thomas' title.
Quote"The late Morton Smith, of Columbia University reported in 1958 that he had found a fragment of a manuscript which at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem. It contained the full text of Mark, chapter 10. Apparently the version that is in the Christian Scriptures is an edited version of the original. Additional verses allegedly formed part of the full version of Mark, and were inserted after verse 34. It discusses how a young man, naked but for a linen covering, expressed his love for Jesus and stayed with him at his place all night
"
This is somewhat accurate. It is believed Matthew is copied from Mark, and Luke and John are later additions. Another gospel that was also suppressed was the Gospel of Magdalene (http://www.gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm). In this one, guess what? She was also considered his favorite disciple, his beloved and possibly his wife.
Quote"J Richards" suggested that Mark 7:14-16 shows that Jesus approves of homosexual acts. The critical phrase reads: "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him..." Richards suggests that Jesus gave great emphasis to this teaching, directing it to everyone. Richards suggests that the sentence refers to dietary laws and also extends to "blood transfusions, medication, organ transplants, and artificial insemination" and to homosexual acts as well. "
This can be interpreted many ways, and I do agree that Jesus probably didn't care about homosexual acts, mainly because in those times, it was a non-issue.
Remember that the gospels were written in greek in Roman occupation times- and we know that the greeks had institutionalized pederasty, the famous "social experiment" in Sparta (which makes me laugh every time religious organizations call themselves spartan), and the quotes in the gospels against alleged homosexuality are probably mostly against masturbation (considered wasted seed) and pederasty, not necessarily homosexuality.
But to say that Jesus was gay because he hung out with men mostly is ridiculous- in context- in those times, women were not allowed to hang out with men the way that Magdalen did- if they did, they were either wives or prostitutes. And Magdalen, according to some historical information (I think this came from one of Pagel's books) was known to be the daughter of one of the richest men in the area, and not a prostitute. So if she was hanging out with the apostles, she was probably married to one of them. But probably Jesus. Why else would Jesus be in the Canaan wedding (maybe it was his own, think about this).
Another thing is that Romans loved virgins- they considered them superior (as in Vesta and her virgins, etc.) and the gnostics were bigtime into virginity also (but that's another post). So basically didn't have to be gay way back then to hang out with your buds, even if they were naked. In historical context, that means nothing.
QuoteA whole new complexion is given to that rather puzzling passage where Jesus exhorts his followers to break family ties: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14, 26). It seems clear now that this is less a negative repudiation of family and more a positive exhortation to join in affirmation of a gay lifestyle and love."
This is obviously a biased interpretation. What this person seems to have forgotten is that the 'family values' that right wingers nowadays exhort were not even in the ballpark back then- in those times, women had no worth whatsoever (another reason why they had to give Mary the Virgin title even though it was not in the Hebrew Scriptures) and just didn't count except as vehicles for baby birthing and early raising- they were property, and marriage was not what we think it was.
QuoteThe first fragment of the Secret Gospel of Mark, meant to be inserted between Mark 10.34 and 35, reads:
They came to Bethany. There was one woman there whose brother had died. She came and prostrated herself before Jesus and spoke to him. "Son of David, pity me!" But the disciples rebuked her. Jesus was angry and went with her into the garden where the tomb was. Immediately a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going up to it, Jesus rolled the stone away from the door of the tomb, and immediately went in where the young man was. Stretching out his hand, he lifted him up, taking hold his hand. And the youth, looking intently at him, loved him and started begging him to let him remain with him. And going out of the tomb, they went into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus gave him an order and, at evening, the young man came to him wearing nothing but a linen cloth. And he stayed with him for the night, because Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. And then when he left he went back to the other side of the Jordan.
Then a second fragment of Secret Mark is given, this time to be inserted into Mark 10.46. This has long been recognized as a narrative snag in Mark's Gospel, as it awkwardly reads, "Then they come to Jericho. As he was leaving Jericho with his disciples..." This strange construction is not present in Secret Mark, which reads:
Then he came into Jericho. And the sister of the young man whom Jesus loved was there with his mother and Salome, but Jesus would not receive them.
I'm not sure what this proves, it just completes a timeline logically.
QuoteJohn 21:20
"Peter turned around and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved. That disciple was following them. He was the one who leaned against Jesus' chest at the supper and asked, "Lord, who is going to betray you?"
And depending on which Gospel you believe, this disciple was either Mary Magdalene, Thomas the Twin or John. My money is on Magdalene, mainly because of the stuff that was said about her in the Middle Ages. But Thomas is another good contender, being that there are many indications that Jesus had a brother, and his name was Thomas. And that one was written before John. In fact, if you look at John and compare it with Matthew and Mark, you'll see how different it is than the other ones- but if you look at Thomas, it has more stories in common with Matthew and Mark than John does.
Could Jesus have been gay? Sure, why not. Last I heard, 10% of males are supposed to be gay. There were 13 disciples, one of them a woman. Could it have been Jesus? I don't know, but those documents don't prove anything to me.
Jesus observed Judaism...and back then same sex relations was punishable by death for the Jewish. He had reason to make it secret.
Some say the "mystery to the kingdom to God" was a sexual thing done while naked. :lol: ( for the part you did not see as relevent.)
QuoteSome say the "mystery to the kingdom to God" was a sexual thing done while naked
I don't understand this. The word "kingdom" in Kingdom of God in the NT is the same word that says "counsel" or advice. Which sure, sometimes can be heavenly, but I'm not understanding the relevance or mystery about it. Would you please explain or spell it out? (If it doesn't break any rules, of course?)
They say they were locked up in a room together for a week naked. This makes people think someone else besides counsel was going on. Others places it says they were in loin cloths not linen cloths..... and the part where it says Jesus loved him just like he "loved" John.
Oh, I see.
This has been brought up with fervor my certain groups of people over the ages, especially monks, and other clergy, as well as modern day gay movements of various kinds. I suppose it is a convinient truth for some, to paraphrase the great wooden head.
In order to make a personal decision about this, I think you have to take your own circumstance into account.
If you believe that Jesus was the son of God, he is in a manner of speaking all the good you see in the world around you. If you see love between 2 humans, no matter how it is expressed, you see God, for the Bible says God is Love.
If you do not believe in the divinity and I am not saying one thing is better than the other, but if you don't then it is the same scenario, he will be whatever you say he is, and you will BELIEVE that.
The FACT of the matter is that... NOONE knows, and if we cannot as humanity even decide or be agreed that He was even real, ....then it seems to me , that discussing if he was Gay, it is rather like masturbating a mosquito, :-D a lot of work, I am doubtful that the result will lead to anything worth the effort.
For the record. My opinion is that if he was God, or Gods son whatever he was, it would be logical that he was bi, seems selfish and unfair that only half the world could make out with Christ. I vote for equality, 8-) incidentally it also says "There is no male or female in Christ", indicating that the sexes and the consequent division and tension between them is a thing of F1 , the Bible calls it worldly affairs or the things of this world.
Just a thought
Regards Mustardseed
Hi there Mustardseed, welcome back. :)
Quote from: Mustardseed on May 03, 2011, 17:01:48
In order to make a personal decision about this, I think you have to take your own circumstance into account.
In all honesty, the question is impossible to answer... and in the end, it really doesn't matter anyway.
Well, I think it does matter in the sense that nowadays gay people are mistreated and victimized in the name of scripture. And for the record, even though I don't see the above readings as significant in whether he was one way or the other (I see it as irrelevant, as I said before) I do think that if he would incarnate nowadays, he might be, only because of the stigma associated with homosexuality- remember the "what you do to the littlest one of you you do to me"? He might come over to straighten us up about our ridiculous prejudices and what's important.
But that's just my mental meanderings.
Makes sense. :)
To me, that just points to yet another reason why Religion has no place in our society anymore. But meh... that's just my personal opinion talking. LoL
CT .......you had a brilliant thought (notice i Said HAD A THOUGHT) for such wisdom commeth down from above :-D very good point I am sure, and I know his style 8-) ofcause hé would
this thread would have been way cooler if the title was "Was Jesus A Gay? That's Right, I said A Gay!"
lol.
Was that from Seinfeld? I remember a standup routine Rosie O' Donnell did when she did standup, and it was hilarious.
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 04, 2011, 17:41:23
Was that from Seinfeld? I remember a standup routine Rosie O' Donnell did when she did standup, and it was hilarious.
it might have happened on seinfeld, but i was quoting zach galifianakis from one of his old stand up routines. i think he did the joke on late world many years ago.
I sometimes have the thought maybe Jesus wasn't real, but will be. The story of Jesus is everywhere like someone mentioned about the Greeks and Egyptians having a prophet with almost the exact same story of Jesus, but there is other ancient societies not even close to Egypt, Greece, middle east with the same story of Jesus
I may be wrong but I believe I read that Quatzequatel also had the same story of Jesus. Maybe some of the story of Jesus is a prophecy?
Archetype.
The only thing I get out of this thread is that anyone can interpret the bible however the hell they want to. You may as well title it: Did Jesus invent the airplane? Was Jesus a Headbanger? Could Jesus levitate? Was Jesus a peanut salesman? I'm sure with a little imagination anyone could relate scripture to those things. It's also a sort of lazy speculation because you can't be proven false.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 10, 2011, 11:16:50
The only thing I get out of this thread is that anyone can interpret the bible however the hell they want to. You may as well title it: Did Jesus invent the airplane? Was Jesus a Headbanger? Could Jesus levitate? Was Jesus a peanut salesman? I'm sure with a little imagination anyone could relate scripture to those things. It's also a sort of lazy speculation because you can't be proven false.
^ This. :lol:
Wait... wait... wait...
Jesus was a peanut salesman?!
QuoteIt's also a sort of lazy speculation...
Exactly.
And just fyi;
People keep claiming that no one mentioned Jesus outside the Christian scriptures but that is not true. Two almost contemporary writers DID mention Jesus. Josephus and Tacitus (? I think it was).
The Dead Sea Scrolls mention several characters that comport with the narrative we have. "The Teacher of Righteousness" was in opposition to some other guy who was leading the people astray, etc.
One reason Jesus' life followed a set script?... well, he did say often that he was doing 'such n such' in order to fulfill the prophecy so that might explain some of that.
There were words in both Koine Greek and Aramaic to identify gay behavior. None of those were ever used to describe Jesus. Even the Gnostic writings which ran from mundane to ozone layer type content never mentioned such a thing. Referencing vague descriptions of mystical ceremonies is grasping at straws.
maybe someone just made it up?
Quotemaybe someone just made it up?
Made what up?
(but yeah, people make stuff up all the time).
I know this spiritual teacher who studied Jesus and really believes this is true, actually he believes Jesus is bisexual not just gay. Also that he lived in India and did not die on the cross.
Quote from: Lexy on May 10, 2011, 21:31:46
I know this spiritual teacher who studied Jesus and really believes this is true, actually he believes Jesus is bisexual not just gay. Also that he lived in India and did not die on the cross.
Yes, there is a branch of Christianity in India that states that Jesus came there after he left the middle east and lived there. I believe there is also a group in Japan that states the same thing. Not 'a Jesus' but 'the Jesus'.
QuoteAlso that he lived in India and did not die on the cross.
Yeah, I heard that one too.
"Jesus Died in Kashmir" by A. Faber Kaiser (sp?)
knock yersef out
...
yeah, I saw that movie "Jesus in India" were this guy went to find proof, it was interesting. There is a grave in India that they say is the real Jesus grave:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8587838.stm
And just to add to the legends, here is this: http://www.thiaoouba.com/tomb.htm
I'm pretty sure that Jesus came to America and settled in Utah.
Yep, that's according to the Archangel Moroni?
Jesus wasn't a gay cause he had a thing for Mary and he wanted her to go to heaven from what this verse is saying.
"Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life."
Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."
but then again ALL MALES go to heaven >_> unless Jesus likes tomboys wich may explain this verse. If anything it sounds like Simon and peter are gay lol...
This verse is from the gnostic text with all Jesus' sayings http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/nag_hammadi/gosthom.htm
Quote from: Karas on May 12, 2011, 03:27:54
Jesus wasn't a gay cause he had a thing for Mary and he wanted her to go to heaven from what this verse is saying.
"Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life."
Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."
but then again ALL MALES go to heaven >_> unless Jesus likes tomboys wich may explain this verse. If anything it sounds like Simon and peter are gay lol...
Simon Peter was one person, sorta like 'Billy Bob'. You have to have at least a small understanding of Greek Gnosticism in order to make sense of the scriptures. The practices involved a kundalini exercise which required testicles. This left women out of the picture. However an accomplished Master would know how to do a 'workaround'.
If anyone is interested PM me and I could recommend some outside resources (along with caveats).
Gnostics were not a homogenous group, which is part of the reason they didn't win in the canon when it came time for officialdom.
Some groups considered women 'more' important than males, and had women priests, which did do all the exercises and meditations and 'gnosis' experiences, while others didn't. Some reached for the sublime, and others clung to the mythology that was more negative than positive.
Some groups considered women 'separate' or 'inferior' but those were the more 'greek', which considered women inferior for cultural, and not religious reasons.
It's interesting to note that one of the reasons 'Orthodox Christianity' (Irenaus style) won, was because the Gnostics had women leading the studies, and this was not ok with them.
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 12, 2011, 14:21:20
Gnostics were not a homogenous group, which is part of the reason they didn't win in the canon when it came time for officialdom.
Some groups considered women 'more' important than males, and had women priests, which did do all the exercises and meditations and 'gnosis' experiences, while others didn't. Some reached for the sublime, and others clung to the mythology that was more negative than positive.
Some groups considered women 'separate' or 'inferior' but those were the more 'greek', which considered women inferior for cultural, and not religious reasons.
It's interesting to note that one of the reasons 'Orthodox Christianity' (Irenaus style) won, was because the Gnostics had women leading the studies, and this was not ok with them.
I think the main reason that Orthodoxy prevailed was because it appealed to the masses. It was a simple matter to gain eternal salvation and the doctrine was easy to understand. Gnosticism on the other hand was obtuse, bordering on completely unintelligible and salvation was all but completely out of reach for the typical Aspirant. Even just the intermediate levels of Gnostic study and practice were beyond what most could grasp and maybe not even one in a thousand could make significant progress at the advanced stages.
I do not recall reading anywhere that women leading the studies had anything at all to do with the rejection of Gnosticism.
Another strong point for Orthodoxy was the willingness of the faithful to die for their belief. That's real dedication. The Gnostic personality was more likely to just say "whatever" and go along.
Quote from: Rudolph on May 12, 2011, 18:50:03
I think the main reason that Orthodoxy prevailed was because it appealed to the masses. It was a simple matter to gain eternal salvation and the doctrine was easy to understand. Gnosticism on the other hand was obtuse, bordering on completely unintelligible and salvation was all but completely out of reach for the typical Aspirant. Even just the intermediate levels of Gnostic study and practice were beyond what most could grasp and maybe not even one in a thousand could make significant progress at the advanced stages.
I do not recall reading anywhere that women leading the studies had anything at all to do with the rejection of Gnosticism.
Another strong point for Orthodoxy was the willingness of the faithful to die for their belief. That's real dedication. The Gnostic personality was more likely to just say "whatever" and go along.
I agree. I'll have to research where I read that about the woman ministers being one of the reasons for their not being picked.
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 11, 2011, 11:13:37
And just to add to the legends, here is this: http://www.thiaoouba.com/tomb.htm
I loved that book, trippy :-)
I don't know if Jesus was bent or straight, maybe he was as straight as a rod when he preached his gospel to his disciples but bent whilst being beaten, spat on and pelted with stones before his crucifixion. I'm off to watch Insidious now.
Quote from: Karas on May 12, 2011, 03:27:54
Jesus wasn't a gay cause he had a thing for Mary and he wanted her to go to heaven from what this verse is saying.
bisexual
No way was Jesus gay... as they (male gay) are the main generators of peadophilia which of course their have been no incidents of such acts of peadophilia for the last few months now, i might add any where in the world :-)
decommissioned the bastards all good...work continues to this day as in the maintaining that they donot offend/hurt any children 8-)
however as i am very well disliked by those high profile gays that donot undertsand my reasons for disliking gays, i will support what ever makes people happy (gay area) as long as it does not hurt anyone in any form...in a short period of time as it does generate it peadophilia for now (but nonactive now)... when it is clear to these people that you even look at children/photos in ways that are not seen appropiate, as i have a thing in this area to even erradicate people looking at children in :evil: ways, it's easy to persuade :wink: these people away from this practise
good luck
love all
Its actually straight men.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 15, 2011, 08:40:48
Its actually straight men.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
i hope ya not referring to my post as straight males are the biggest generators...if so serious homework needed ya don't get to decommission these people without real facts which of course requires wisdom which of course is needed to stop peadophilia WORLD WIDE :wink:
but it's actually the biggest argument amongst gays towards me :roll: lol
homOwork...
excuse the spelling :wink:
good luck
love all
Seriously think about it, how many straight males are there compared to gay males.
Show me your proof. :lol:
Seriously looking at all your post I think you're just trolling.
:wink:
i've been working in this area for years around a decade for that fact,...how about you
learn how thoughts generate before ya compare the numbers... hermetics is a good start
i have had this discussion with police...
it's alright to be gay mate plenty are...we are sorting out the problems it generates all for you's 8-)
police have the proof should you care to seek it
good luck
love all
Quote from: ether2 on May 15, 2011, 09:26:15
i've been working in this area for years around a decade for that fact,...how about you
learn how thoughts generate before ya compare the numbers... hermetics is a good start
i have had this discussion with police...
it's alright to be gay mate plenty are...we are sorting out the problems it generates all for you's 8-)
police have the proof should you care to seek it
good luck
love all
epic fail lol... Worst troll ever
I know its ok to be gay, I realize you dont dislike gay people for being gay.
But I want to know where you're getting your so called evidence. You said you dislike gays only because "most pedophiles are gay"
and I want to see your proof, you worked on this for years right? Should be easy to show someone your proof?
I think his proof is coming from personal experience instead of actual fact.
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 15, 2011, 09:30:19
I know its ok to be gay, I realize you dont dislike gay people for being gay.
But I want to know where you're getting your so called evidence. You said you dislike gays only because "most pedophiles are gay"
and I want to see your proof, you worked on this for years right? Should be easy to show someone your proof?
I think his proof is coming from personal experience instead of actual fact.
if ya into projection and OBE and all of that and at any sort of height you would know what i'm about to say as in it's """up there""" all the proof ya need...theirs ya facts... records sort of like the Akashic records where all thoughts and actions are recorded and if ya have the abilities to add them up ya get the result... like one plus one, easy
so ya right personal experience and actual fact
good luck
love all
Wait... Your baseing your theroys on the "Akashic records" x_x
Its funny because actual studies show 95% of pedophiles are straight men if I remember correctly.
But I guess I shouldnt even carry on with this conversation considering your facts are made up in your head.
:-P
yea seriously, the only gay pedophiles are priests, lol.
homosexuality is obviously wrong from a biological sense, it doesn't allow for procreation.
morally.....
well, someone's sexual identity doesn't have $hit to do with morality and anyone who tries to say otherwise is an moron.
Quote from: Karas on May 15, 2011, 09:49:53
Wait... Your baseing your theroys on the "Akashic records" x_x
yeah whats wrong with seeing what is and what was at a time that it happened and cannot be tampered (mislead) with in order to erradicate peadophilies for the children, if i was out of whack (wrong) i would not have erradicated peadophilies actions towards children...just facts that noone in the certain positions do like high ranking peadophilies :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :-P
the courts will soon be using this evidence in cases the Akashic Records, they awaiting eagerly :-)
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 15, 2011, 09:53:01
Its funny because actual studies show 95% of pedophiles are straight men if I remember correctly.
But I guess I shouldnt even carry on with this conversation considering your facts are made up in your head.
:-P
the world runs from decisions made from """UP THERE"""
95% WTF where did ya get those figures from y/a gay forum :-P
thats the biggest load of poo known to man
i expect this from gays, all good get it all the time...don't worry about it except it as their are down sides to many things :wink:
hay in ya defence straights were peadophilies to...happy now :-D
good luck
love all
You know I would of got offended by that if it was coming from anyone else.
:lol:
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 15, 2011, 10:19:39
You know I would of got offended by that if it was coming from anyone else.
:lol:
good ya had me worried for a moment i would'nt want to generate a ......... lucky it was'nt com'n from ya higherself...hay :wink: lol
private joke...
good luck
love all
i actually am offended.
i have said that i am practically "unoffendable", and that's mostly true.
however, one of the few things that offends me is gay bashing (and bigotry in general).
one of my best friends growing up is gay and he was tormented daily.
it was worse because we lived in a very conservative christian area.
i can't tell you how many times i got my butt kicked for defending him.
just be careful not to cross that line ether2.
keep stopping those pedophiles!
Why be offended? There is a lot of people out there. There is A LOT of people with bonked up perceptions. Why let it effect you?
Look up on youtube "the worse family in america"
You seriously just have to ignore a lot of people.
Quote from: personalreality on May 15, 2011, 10:34:33
i actually am offended.
i have said that i am practically "unoffendable", and that's mostly true.
however, one of the few things that offends me is gay bashing (and bigotry in general).
one of my best friends growing up is gay and he was tormented daily.
it was worse because we lived in a very conservative christian area.
i can't tell you how many times i got my butt kicked for defending him.
just be careful not to cross that line ether2.
keep stopping those pedophiles!
i can defend myself very well thankyou as one would imagine stopping peadophilies is a some what complicated process as i have to deal with high peadopbhilies including police/judges/laywers and high MP's and the like and they have big guns LOL...they really love me and i love making it crystal clear who i am lol...as i have shut them down
thanks for your concern and as the little ones do i appreciate your support
not out to waste my energy on straight down the line gays
good luck
love all
Like really personalreality are you even reading what this guy is saying?
Perfect example you have to ignore people.
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 15, 2011, 10:53:07
Like really personalreality are you even reading what this guy is saying?
Perfect example you have to ignore people.
mate it's not a nice topic if the shoes on the other foot if ya think i'm full of it don't read it...ring a police station and ask...
i know your stats are way out of whack but that what people do in their own defence especially gays... no harm just ignore it get over it
you should hear the crap i hear from peadophilies the money they try through at ya :roll:
good luck
love all
Actually I'm bisexual not homosexual, I bonked woman AND MEN, I just think you sound like a complete ********.
And seeing how your logic comes from your head(butt?) and no where else, it doesnt really matter what you say.
Most of your post are down right slow, you didnt even understand personalreality's reply. Your reply to him was ROFL.
Trolls belong to YouTube >_> Billions of vitems(spellings) are females so how can you say the caused of all this is gay people? Hellllo o_O gay attracts same sex... Omg people get dumber everyday... To much floride I swear
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 15, 2011, 11:08:02
Actually I'm bisexual not homosexual, I bonked woman AND MEN, I just think you sound like a complete ********.
And seeing how your logic comes from your head(butt?) and no where else, it doesnt really matter what you say.
Most of your post are down right slow, you didnt even understand personalreality's reply. Your reply to him was ROFL.
i now know your mentallity/abilities :wink:
Quote from: Karas on May 15, 2011, 11:12:44
Trolls belong to YouTube >_> Billions of vitems(spellings) are females so how can you say the caused of all this is gay people? Hellllo o_O gay attracts same sex... Omg people get dumber everyday... To much floride I swear
Dumb, thats not very nice...i'm actually very smart all though my vocabulary is not of what one would say as highly educated...ya don't have to look far to learn that one
cause... where did i say cause...i said main generators, maybe it's a floride thing :wink:
you's are so defencive you gays i'm sure their are chat rooms some where you two could have a lovely time...no disrespect you need more love in ya life/s...ya's are so offensive :-(
good luck
love all
I'm not actually offended random.
i'm just telling him to be careful not to cross that line.
i could give two diarrhea about the content. s/he is spouting meaningless drivel.
however, i won't abide gay bashing on this forum. just don't tolerate it.
if he takes this too far, i will do everything in my power to make sure he gets banned, simply because it adds nothing to our discussions here and that kind of bigotry poisons the energy.
simple enough
Ether...are you for real? I'm not offended but...
Quit farting around!
Something stinks here and it's either your ignorance or your idea of what constitutes a joke...
Maybe both!
;D
ya's obviously don't get around in the upper plains/realms too much do ya...wisdom :wink:
then ya would know this is fact
and since ya's love off topic
summer ya say ya some sort of demon remover 8-) but guess what one do you know why that type of thing exist for in the first place...ya take something out that they have not learnt from (the reason for it being their in the first place) and ya cause more problems in the long run and again if you had any height/capabilities in these fields you would know it will not happen without the persons (father) consent anyway the decision was made that you will not be able to do as ya claimed
if she needs help ya go to the police about it although she claims that is not possiable or ya can ask their (fathers) higherself...wait... i'll doit for ya and... NO...thanks for your concern
good luck
love all
Don't worry ether... we at the CIA have our eyes on Summer. ;)
*glares* :D
Quote from: Xanth on May 15, 2011, 22:50:53
Don't worry ether... we at the CIA have our eyes on Summer. ;)
*glares* :D
Wt... now the CIA are trying to take away my work :-P
i'll have talk to the foremost leading CIA about it in a minute :wink:
good luck
love all
how disturbing that a homophone has entered this holy thread with his disgusting prejudice. please get the hell out.
Quote from: Lexy on May 16, 2011, 01:46:40
how disturbing that a homophone has entered this holy thread with his disgusting prejudice. please get the hell out.
hay... peadophilia is a sick practise maybe you like it, i don't... i stop one gay or straight from going down that path it saves us energy which of course we could use that energy to save a life or more, it's simple math when ya understand how the economies of various processes work as a whole thoughts/actions etc it's generating side of things...don't argue it untill ya understand it
i must add if it makes them happy (gays) i'm not asking them to stop by any means but maybe it will help prevent it as it does use alot of energy to erradicate these peadophilies potential actions...as i said energy better else where, as it saves lifes manhow do ya know i'm a he... how at that stage in Osama B L topic did ya know i was ether...oh yeah don't bother answering this...no time to read
and what is more disturbing is your reply in O B L it went like """ether why do you keep deleting your account if you are not going anywhere"""
i never said anything to do with going anywhere here or on any site... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
play dumb all ya like
normally i say good luck :lol:
love all
Quote from: ether2 on May 15, 2011, 20:18:25
summer ya say ya some sort of demon remover
Demon remover? LOL! What? Where did you get this? When did I say I was a "demon remover"? :lol:
My visit to her or her father will be done as a possibility to get more information which MIGHT help but it will also be an addition to my OOBE study because I've never tried to visit someone in these circumstances before.
By the way, why do you feel the need to change the subject. Is it because people are disliking you for what you said? Do yourself a favour and just leave. If there are any "higher planes" you certainly wouldn't qualify to be one in my book! Of course in your "Akashic Record" your get your twisted bias...because it is in your twisted mind. You seriously need help, buddy...
More than Darina in my opinion! :roll:
Its pretty funny this guy is talking about "simple math" and "understanding" when he doesnt seem to understand anyone's post, and most likely cant do simple math. But I guess maybe he was born with a disability and maybe we shouldnt judge him for his stupidity.
Interesting conversation.
I heard that Jesus was a woman, and that she had chainsaws for arms, and could see 10 seconds into the future.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 16, 2011, 05:02:39
Demon remover? LOL! What? Where did you get this? When did I say I was a "demon remover"? :lol:
My visit to her or her father will be done as a possibility to get more information which MIGHT help but it will also be an addition to my OOBE study because I've never tried to visit someone in these circumstances before.
By the way, why do you feel the need to change the subject. Is it because people are disliking you for what you said? Do yourself a favour and just leave. If there are any "higher planes" you certainly wouldn't qualify to be one in my book! Of course in your "Akashic Record" your get your twisted bias...because it is in your twisted mind. You seriously need help, buddy...
More than Darina in my opinion! :roll:
"SORT OF" demon remover... it's clearly says sort of
ya wont get any info man, wont happen... not allowed get that through ya head...ya suspended in this field now...how do ya think all the nonintruding come about... ours
i said this here so she did'nt think i was an arsehole for not allowing it to happen as you clearly lack any knowledge in this field
we know the problem with these types/all of cases, not your business as you will only give false evidence/hope...you will only confuse her
it will soon finish this crap that goes on with people's heads but ya have to understand WHY it happens...we got it all sorted wont be a problem soon for anyone...it does heaps for now forget about it...sux i know... but
hay mate i test and test the f*** out of everyone on this site (play ground)(recruiting) if you can't see through what i'm say'n...
you are way to low to be doing as you claim, hence suspended...laugh all ya want man we make the rules in this excrement you will learn why one day
do ya homework on me all ya want you will soon stop laughing
untill then keep laughing :wink:
good luck
and don't forget
LOVE ALL
Quote from: Stillwater on May 16, 2011, 06:10:13
Interesting conversation.
I heard that Jesus was a woman, and that she had chainsaws for arms, and could see 10 seconds into the future.
Jesus no girl
something wrong here because i seen that avatar of yours two or three times lately once again last night and i seen a running chainsaw (last night) which of course free of charge i glady changed it in to a massager with blue like ball/ish things with stems, with of course considering the (chain) arm which the new blue balls ran across at the beginning of the arm modifing it to combat it's new construction...being balls alot bigger than a cutting chain itself...see how nice i am
10 seconds Wow we got people looking back how the universe was made billions of years ago the figure they think (age) in around 14 billion years is way out...way way older... the exact figure of how many people do this to this day is...i look...92000 people at 36 minutes a session many sessions a day
good luck
love all
This conversation/thread has gone exactly the way i expected it to :|
you know what they say. if you ask a silly question you get a silly answer
:NoY:
I think we'll leave ether2 with his limiting beliefs. One day, perhaps, he/she will come to a greater understanding about the true nature of things in general.
ether2, you have just given me an accurate picture of the type of person you are and I realise that the more people give you useful pedagogical information, the more you will stick to your little water pistols. You don't even understand people's posts and you let your preconceptions cloud whatever you come across.
Good luck!
:wink:
Quote from: Summerlander on May 16, 2011, 10:18:00
I think we'll leave ether2 with his limiting beliefs. One day, perhaps, he/she will come to a greater understanding about the true nature of things in general.
ether2, you have just given me an accurate picture of the type of person you are and I realise that the more people give you useful pedagogical information, the more you will stick to your little water pistols. You don't even understand people's posts and you let your preconceptions cloud whatever you come across.
Good luck!
:wink:
thankyou very much much appreciated but you need ya luck for what ever venture you choose to study next as you are finished in this one...
you no see man as you are blinded by the light :-)
good luck
love all
LOL! You're talking about Darina yeah? Don't worry...I've done these visits a few times before. They've always produced interesting results. Whether or not it helps her is beside the point. But an observation will be made. Hopefully this will again present what appears to be evidence of telepathy like the others. It remains to be seen. But you needn't be concerned with this now because you have already said it can't happen and therefore you have already firmly established that mental block in your head. Talk about being blinded by the light! Looks like you have been blinded by your "homosexuality creates paedophilia" light/idea from your so-called "Akashic Records" :lol:
Quote from: ether2 on May 16, 2011, 04:10:56
hay... peadophilia is a sick practise maybe you like it, i don't... i stop one gay or straight from going down that path it saves us energy which of course we could use that energy to save a life or more, it's simple math when ya understand how the economies of various processes work as a whole thoughts/actions etc it's generating side of things...don't argue it untill ya understand it
i must add if it makes them happy (gays) i'm not asking them to stop by any means but maybe it will help prevent it as it does use alot of energy to erradicate these peadophilies potential actions...as i said energy better else where, as it saves lifes man
how do ya know i'm a he... how at that stage in Osama B L topic did ya know i was ether...oh yeah don't bother answering this...no time to read
and what is more disturbing is your reply in O B L it went like """ether why do you keep deleting your account if you are not going anywhere"""
i never said anything to do with going anywhere here or on any site... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
play dumb all ya like
normally i say good luck :lol:
love all
I never asked if Jesus was a pedophile. You didn't help anybody, you are only causing harm. Do you know how many gay kids kill themselves because ignorant people like you think being gay is something sick & criminal? Just because you had this bad experience doesn't mean it happens to everyone.
Homosexuality in my view is just as needed and relevant as heterosexuality. If everyone was straight the world would probably be overcrowded by now. Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, does not harm anyone if played safely. It is how people feel...it's their orientation and there is nothing wrong with it...
Paedophilia is a different story. Men or women who act upon their sexual feelings for children, regardless of whether they are gay or straight, are wrong for doing so because children are not ready for sexual affairs. Firstly, they can be easily influenced and, if abused, they may never be able to recover from the ordeal. They will have trust issues too. Adults are supposed to be responsible and protective of children, not take advantage of them to feed their twisted fantasies. Any adult who feels strongly attracted to children should talk to their GP about these feelings because they are harmful and lead you on a very dangerous road.
This is why paedophilia is a disease and homosexuality isn't. I'm surprised you didn't find this thought in your Akashic Records, ether2, since it is a thought shared by the majority and you said it yourself in your hypocritical statement that you will "support" it because:
Quote from: ether2 on May 15, 2011, 08:05:40
however as i am very well disliked by those high profile gays that donot undertsand my reasons for disliking gays, i will support what ever makes people happy (gay area)
I mean, isn't the Akashic Records supposed to have every thought there? :-D
Quote10 seconds Wow we got people looking back how the universe was made billions of years ago
Yeah, but they are only looking back, and surmising from aparent data; if you could see ten seconds into the future- that would be a real skill. You would never be hit by a bus, get shot... would be an excellent sports player... you could win the lottery if you waited to the last minute, haha :wink:
Quote from: Summerlander on May 16, 2011, 10:53:46
LOL! You're talking about Darina yeah? Don't worry...I've done these visits a few times before. They've always produced interesting results. Whether or not it helps her is beside the point. But an observation will be made. Hopefully this will again present what appears to be evidence of telepathy like the others. It remains to be seen. But you needn't be concerned with this now because you have already said it can't happen and therefore you have already firmly established that mental block in your head. Talk about being blinded by the light! Looks like you have been blinded by your "homosexuality creates paedophilia" light/idea from your so-called "Akashic Records" :lol:
maybe ya done it before on consent yeah...but it wont happen again...good to see ya still Lol
and me blinded by the light LOL...no see
but maybe you are one of the one's out soly in life at this point in time to erradicate the Akashic Records as those in the know that they are about to be bought down by the justice system with the use of these records and more 8-)
Quote from: Lexy on May 16, 2011, 11:53:55
I never asked if Jesus was a pedophile. You didn't help anybody, you are only causing harm. Do you know how many gay kids kill themselves because ignorant people like you think being gay is something sick & criminal? Just because you had this bad experience doesn't mean it happens to everyone.
kids should not be in a gay relationship or any relationship, maybe you meant teenagers...fair comment i see what i can do as i'm sure you know with your supreme knowledge that in this area of suicide are lexy all controlled 100%...(Death Cycle) learn how this excrement works before ya comment...the only bad experience i have had from liveing is knowing these sicko's can effect the children in this way :-(...they don't anymore :-) and then their is poverty etc :-(
Quote from: Summerlander on May 16, 2011, 12:24:13
Homosexuality in my view is just as needed and relevant as heterosexuality. If everyone was straight the world would probably be overcrowded by now. Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, does not harm anyone if played safely. It is how people feel...it's their orientation and there is nothing wrong with it...
Paedophilia is a different story. Men or women who act upon their sexual feelings for children, regardless of whether they are gay or straight, are wrong for doing so because children are not ready for sexual affairs. Firstly, they can be easily influenced and, if abused, they may never be able to recover from the ordeal. They will have trust issues too. Adults are supposed to be responsible and protective of children, not take advantage of them to feed their twisted fantasies. Aningy adult who feels strongly attracted to children should talk to their GP about these feelings because they are harmful and lead you on a very dangerous road.
This is why paedophilia is a disease and homosexuality isn't. I'm surprised you didn't find this thought in your Akashic Records, ether2, since it is a thought shared by the majority and you said it yourself in your hypocritical statement that you will "support" it because:
I mean, isn't the Akashic Records supposed to have every thought there? :-D
interesting but peadophilies and you try and police it that they have thoughts as such in twisted ways you try get'n them to the doctors about that... sexual fantasies are the most hardest to controll of anything
the only thing we have managed to do is stop them from acting in such manner
we have stopped the people at the front end of peadophilia from uploading these twisted pictures of children and im sure they are in the process of taking them down...they are not doin to good at the moment
and if you were up to date what is happening in the plains/realms i'm sure you would understand that in a small amount of time all people living will be shown (introduced if ya like) their Higherself/Spirit in a full awake conscious state...but you already knew that one :wink:...the main reason being is for schooling as in a new way of thinking as a whole this will erradicate these types of problems...New World 2012...now if ya were not blinded to the truth in life ya can extend this new thinking process towards all other areras...then what one can argue is their is an economy around crime etc...yes...their is insurence etc...but because you are now learning and because you are starting to see...insight/water element...yes we have it all worked out how to run the new economy...from someone loosing a TV (house break in, insurence) to loosing 10,000 houses storm/earthquake etc (insurence/rebuilding=materials=mining and the like...it's call economy) see how smart we are we just have to change as it is all pretty well controlled anyway...the reason being is young seeker is that emotions=energy energy to run the world/s system/s...just like people raise energy to do what ever they do regarding the mind...this planet requires energy which of course is generated from the emotions we don't like fear/devastated and the like hence controlled in a way in most areas that effect our lifes...mostly for the energy and economy
we have a new way of reproducing/duplicating this energy without the emotions we don't like...cool hay...your welcome for the insight insight being the water element which as you kindly stated come from water pistols...
good luck
love all
Quote from: Stillwater on May 16, 2011, 15:54:36
Yeah, but they are only looking back, and surmising from aparent data; if you could see ten seconds into the future- that would be a real skill. You would never be hit by a bus, get shot... would be an excellent sports player... you could win the lottery if you waited to the last minute, haha :wink:
hmmm...we have people looking forward as well at...car accidents (deaths) many days forward and other areas now, giving them something to do
lotto hay funny one that one :-)...i'll wait
you know to much
good luck
love all
Quote from: ether2 on May 16, 2011, 21:30:16
kids should not be in a gay relationship or any relationship, maybe you meant teenagers...fair comment i see what i can do as i'm sure you know with your supreme knowledge that in this area of suicide are lexy all controlled 100%...(Death Cycle) learn how this excrement works before ya comment...the only bad experience i have had from liveing is knowing these sicko's can effect the children in this way :-(...they don't anymore :-) and then their is poverty etc :-(
don't you know that kids are born gay?
Quote from: Lexy on May 16, 2011, 23:31:45
don't you know that kids are born gay?
sorry ya got me...mmm...no ya did'nt because how many kids that take their own life kids i'm talking, by actually discussing this practise know of this practise (kids don't know exactly what happens in a sexual relationship)...or do they... with their friends in order to feel say left out so to speak and be in the position to take their own life...they are KIDS and are not consciously aware at that stage of their desires towards the same sex...i'm talking males, other reasons yes but how would you know they are were gay as i'm sure they are not active in this area prior to being active (gay)
females totally different for several reasons which just happen to the beginning of what ya could call motherhood it,s different i could explain it but it would take me ages because on this site most people donot again donot understand the cycle of life how it happens how it (thoughts generate) plays out becoming more one with all where it is like mothers intuition ya know what is happening hence love all :-D
as ya know majority of mothers have intuition regarding the ones (kids) they love i could go on for ages about this but i'm not
ya have to unsderstand how this excrement works...it's all i do all day every day it's my job, as i wanted to some time ago have world peace and with my abilities of being able to annoy anyone (dont intrude) anywhere in the world, i soon learnt from presidents of countries etc (energy issues as ya would have read, earlier post) why at that stage we could not have world peace i now know how with others know how to sort this problem and other areas out...it's in progress
if ya got any insight/sight as to how we should go about this feel free to let me know :-P
good luck
love all
Quote from: ether2 on May 17, 2011, 00:07:41
sorry ya got me...mmm...no ya did'nt because how many kids that take their own life kids i'm talking, by actually discussing this practise know of this practise (kids don't know exactly what happens in a sexual relationship)...or do they... with their friends in order to feel say left out so to speak and be in the position to take their own life...they are KIDS and are not consciously aware at that stage of their desires towards the same sex...i'm talking males, other reasons yes but how would you know they are were gay as i'm sure they are not active in this area prior to being active (gay)
females totally different for several reasons which just happen to the beginning of what ya could call motherhood it,s different i could explain it but it would take me ages because on this site most people donot again donot understand the cycle of life how it happens how it (thoughts generate) plays out becoming more one with all where it is like mothers intuition ya know what is happening hence love all :-D
as ya know majority of mothers have intuition regarding the ones (kids) they love i could go on for ages about this but i'm not
ya have to unsderstand how this excrement works...it's all i do all day every day it's my job, as i wanted to some time ago have world peace and with my abilities of being able to annoy anyone (dont intrude) anywhere in the world, i soon learnt from presidents of countries etc (energy issues as ya would have read, earlier post) why at that stage we could not have world peace i now know how with others know how to sort this problem and other areas out...it's in progress
if ya got any insight/sight as to how we should go about this feel free to let me know :-P
good luck
love all
here you go:
http://www.parenting.com/article/could-your-child-be-gay
"But bear in mind that kids as young as 9 begin to have crushes and perhaps physical feelings directed at other people, says Erika Pluhar, Ph.D., a sex therapist and educator in Atlanta. (There's a wide range, but children usually start to figure out whom they are attracted to between the ages of 9 and 12.) "
"Northwestern's Bailey has researched this area extensively, including whether these behaviors in children are predictive of homosexuality later in life. The bottom line? If a boy does many of the above-mentioned things -- playing dress-up, preferring social games to rougher ones, only wanting to hang out with girls, etc. -- and keeps doing them over a long period of time, it may be significant, says Bailey. "If they do it over and over, it's not a passing thing, and if they seek it out, then it's often predictive of homosexuality in adulthood in males," he says."
http://jezebel.com/5366812/gay-kids-coming-out-younger-but-parents-ask-how-do-you-know
"Part of this may have to do with the misconception that you have to have gay intercourse to be gay, or that homosexuality is somehow a more "sexual" orientation than heterosexuality. But Austin tells Denizet-Lewis,
"I knew I was different in second grade - I just didn't really put a name to it until I was 11. My parents said, 'How do you know what your sexuality is if you haven't had any sexual experiences?' I was like, 'Should I go and have one and then report back?'
:lol:
And Lexy got that from earthly records...
Of course Jesus did exist.
He added the most important of the commandments: "A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another."
Nobody at the time could understand the message he gave to us, so he had to encode everything in parables.
Today we have a better context for understanding what Jesus was really trying to say, but we need to use our common sense and not take the bible literally.
It says in Revelation, "he who overcometh" shall have a place it his right hand, at his dinner table.
He was not talking about overcoming common trials and tribulations. Back then people thought he was almighty, and would never have understood a message like, "Help, satan's in charge I need your help!"
Today the devil is in charge and we have Hell on Earth (http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com).
There is no evidence that Jesus ever existed. No real, concrete evidence. EVER! :roll:
i agree summer.
anyone who thinks jesus was a real person needs to study the mystery traditions (of which christianity is a descendant). jesus and his story is a retelling of the mystery tradition's story of the journey man takes toward reunification with the logos (jesus). actually that's not the whole truth. christians demonized women and removed one of the most important parts of the story, that of sophia, the counterpart of the logos.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 22, 2011, 16:52:12
There is no evidence that Jesus ever existed. No real, concrete evidence. EVER! :roll:
Not true.
Please see my reply on this thread; « Reply #25 on: May 10, 2011, 17:19:14 »
Of course one can always nit-pik about what constitutes 'concrete'. But using your line of thinking here, Summer, we may have to doubt that Socrates ever existed.
Show me the evidence, Rudolph... :-D
Quote from: Summerlander on May 22, 2011, 19:11:10
Show me the evidence, Rudolph... :-D
Easier done than said, almost 8-) (this is an old discussion, just google "Josephus Jesus")
Josephus returned with Titus to Rome, where he was awarded for his service with a house and a pension. With time and resources, Josephus turned to writing of history. In the 70s, he wrote Jewish Wars, which provided a chronicle of the wars of the Jewish people. He thereafter in the 90s wrote a much broader history of the Jewish people, Jewish Antiquities.
Two References to Jesus
Josephus' writings cover a number of figures familiar to Bible readers. He discusses John the Baptist, James the brother of Jesus, Pontius Pilate, the Sadducees, the Sanhedrin, the High Priests, and the Pharisees. As for Jesus, there are two references to him in Antiquities. I will recount them in the order in which they appear.
First, in a section in Book 18 dealing with various actions of Pilate, the extant texts refer to Jesus and his ministry. This passage is known as the Testimonium Flavianum referred to hereafter as the "TF".
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.
Jewish Antiquities 18.3.3
Second, in Book 20 there is what could be called a passing reference to Jesus in a paragraph describing the murder of Jesus' brother, James, at the hands of Ananus, the High Priest.
But the younger Ananus who, as we said, received the high priesthood, was of a bold disposition and exceptionally daring; he followed the party of the Sadducees, who are severe in judgment above all the Jews, as we have already shown. As therefore Ananus was of such a disposition, he thought he had now a good opportunity, as Festus was now dead, and Albinus was still on the road; so he assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as lawbreakers, he delivered them over to be stoned.
Jewish Antiquities 20.9.1EDIT ===============
Here's another one from Tacitus, "Annals" 15.44
[...] Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated,...
Books...excerpts from here and there. I mean, it's been over two millenia, Rudy...Even if such a story is true that such a character existed, far too many embellishments would have been picked up in its travels over such a long period of time...evidently Christ's so-called miracles as a possible and very feasible distortion of the truth. Even today, so-called faith healers manage to deceive millions. Come on...you can't just expect me to believe that there was a Christ as they say. But hey...I'm calling you out on this one...make me believe as you do. Give me exactly what makes you believe. Give me that! Come on...hit me with it!
Quote from: Summerlander on May 23, 2011, 16:43:37
Books...excerpts from here and there. [...] Come on...you can't just expect me to believe that there was a Christ as they say. But hey...I'm calling you out on this one...make me believe as you do. Give me exactly what makes you believe. Give me that! Come on...hit me with it!
First you said there was no evidence of Jesus.
I showed that there was.
Now you talk about the Christ and miracles and belief. When you ask, "Give me exactly what makes you believe" what exactly do you think it is that I "believe"? What are you calling me out on?
Well...you believe that Jesus existed, don't you? But what you provided isn't real proof, is it?
Quote from: Summerlander on May 23, 2011, 17:34:29
Well...you believe that Jesus existed, don't you? But what you provided isn't real proof, is it?
Ohhhh... so now we are talking about "proof". ?
First you said there was "no evidence" and I replied that that was not true, because it is not true.
You asked for the evidence and I provided the evidence.
So now you ask why I believe Jesus existed?
That is not "belief" as in religious faith. That is a reasonable conclusion based on available data.
WAIT!!!
I found PROOF!
http://www.zazzle.com/and_god_said_maxwells_equations_tshirt-235628270699537542
Quote from: Summerlander on May 22, 2011, 16:52:12
There is no evidence that Jesus ever existed. No real, concrete evidence. EVER! :roll:
ya could say that about all the other profits as well Buddha/Krishna/Pacal etc included
good luck
love all
At Lexy's request, I'm re-opening this.
Enjoy. :)
Quote from: ether2 on May 23, 2011, 21:16:31
ya could say that about all the other profits as well Buddha/Krishna/Pacal etc included
good luck
love all
Prophets? When was Buddha or Krishna a prophet? LOL! Besides, we are talking about Jesus here and so far I don't see proof or any hint of evidence whatsoever that Jesus existed apart from scriptures.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 26, 2011, 18:12:47
Prophets? When was Buddha or Krishna a prophet? LOL! Besides, we are talking about Jesus here and so far I don't see proof or any hint of evidence whatsoever that Jesus existed apart from scriptures.
"Hint" of evidence? The testimony of Josephus and Tacitus provided *is* evidence. Those are two completely credible sources. The other details like Pontius Pilate, James, etc. only adds further credibility. And their reports exist apart from scripture.
I know there are other writers out there who make the claim you are repeating here... but they are wrong. I have proven THAT much.
unless you were there and have personal documentation you haven't proved anything.
Quote from: personalreality on May 26, 2011, 22:46:36
unless you were there and have personal documentation you haven't proved anything.
False. Read carefully, please.
I have proven that here *is* "evidence" outside the scriptures. Its called the existence proof. Very simple. There it is -- take or leave it. You can choose to leave it but you can't simply say it does not exist and still pretend to be dealing with reality.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 26, 2011, 18:12:47
Prophets? When was Buddha or Krishna a prophet? LOL! Besides, we are talking about Jesus here and so far I don't see proof or any hint of evidence whatsoever that Jesus existed apart from scriptures.
funny ha :-)...
what do you call em...
i know of web sites that call them Gods if fact one site calls them "super Gods" and get this this site is what the police kindly showed a x friend of mine (police imforment) to show me about what not and other things :-)...long story...
i donot believe they are Gods...
i got an argument against that though (that they are Gods...long story) but it does not way up at the end of the day...
good luck
love all
Quote from: personalreality on May 26, 2011, 22:46:36
unless you were there and have personal documentation you haven't proved anything.
So I guess George Washington may not have existed either then. Interesting.
isn't it interesting that we mark our years with A.D./B.C. after someone people believe never existed? but then again if enough people believe in something doesn't that make it so?
Well actually I think they changed that :-P
Especially for ether2 whom somewhere in this thread or possibly another (sorry if its wrong ) mentioned that there werent so many sexual attacks on children happening so much atm that's rubbish I'm afraid take a look at this link! http://uk.news.yahoo.com/child-sex-attack-every-20-minutes-last-051518900.html
You may have an apparent job "working" with the police to stop paedophilia but maybe you should stop gay bashing long enough to do your job properly! There is no rock hard evidence to prove that mainly gay men are paedophiles.
[quote] no homosexuals are paedophiles. Nor are any heterosexuals. Paedophiles are a sexual orientation in of themselves- and a sick perverted one. They are attracted to very young pre-pubsecent children [/quote]
Quote from: Mrs-B-2-Be on May 27, 2011, 05:37:34
Especially for ether2 whom somewhere in this thread or possibly another (sorry if its wrong ) mentioned that there werent so many sexual attacks on children happening so much atm that's rubbish I'm afraid take a look at this link! http://uk.news.yahoo.com/child-sex-attack-every-20-minutes-last-051518900.html
You may have an apparent job "working" with the police to stop paedophilia but maybe you should stop gay bashing long enough to do your job properly! There is no rock hard evidence to prove that mainly gay men are paedophiles.
Wow...
Hay genius
//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
do ya homework on what i typed before ya make assumptions on your superior thought processes
it has been nearly 3 months since any attacks on children...YES...i believe i stated around 2 1/2 months at that time i typed it out in a previous post, being in this thread/topic which started this year 1st MAY 2011 not last year genius THIS YEAR :roll:
we work alone to stop these sicko's...so what... and yes police know what i have to do :-D
i did'nt say that mainly gays are peadophilies either... learn how thought processes generate before ya comment, it's been talked about
ya need to do more homework about what i stated before ya let ya fingers do the talking
good luck
love all
and for the record i think i better put this in here that you go by obviously
Quoteno homosexuals are paedophiles. Nor are any heterosexuals. Paedophiles are a sexual orientation in of themselves- and a sick perverted one. They are attracted to very young pre-pubsecent children
try explaining that to a criminologist...they will laugh at ya man
their were plenty (active) of them on both sides man...get over it, they are finshed now
good luck
love all
My uncle is a paedophile he is a sicko he is not human he is a derranged disgusting pervert who wrecked my nieces life, so the statement is true! I don't give a rats arse what you do for a living. no one knows what its like until it tears your family apart! By the way would you mind speaking proper English when you type rather than ya its just rude and arrogant!
Quotei did'nt say that mainly gays are peadophilies either... learn how thought processes generate before ya comment, it's been talked about
ya need to do more homework about what i stated before ya let ya fingers do the talking
Erm...you said something along those lines before actually. You did say homosexuality leads to paedophilia. I think it is you who needs to do the homework, not only on the way things really are but on your own posts too.
Quote from: ether2 on May 15, 2011, 08:05:40
No way was Jesus gay... as they (male gay) are the main generators of peadophilia which of course their have been no incidents of such acts of peadophilia for the last few months now, i might add any where in the world :-)
decommissioned the bastards all good...work continues to this day as in the maintaining that they donot offend/hurt any children 8-)
however as i am very well disliked by those high profile gays that donot undertsand my reasons for disliking gays, i will support what ever makes people happy (gay area) as long as it does not hurt anyone in any form...in a short period of time as it does generate it peadophilia for now (but nonactive now)... when it is clear to these people that you even look at children/photos in ways that are not seen appropiate, as i have a thing in this area to even erradicate people looking at children in :evil: ways, it's easy to persuade :wink: these people away from this practise
good luck
love all
Just recently, at my sister's school 4 pre-pubescent girls went missing... :roll:
Quotelearn how thought processes generate before ya comment
And this made me laugh... :-D
How do thought processes generate, ether2?
Quote from: Mrs-B-2-Be on May 27, 2011, 12:21:53
My uncle is a paedophile he is a sicko he is not human he is a derranged disgusting pervert who wrecked my nieces life, so the statement is true! I don't give a rats arse what you do for a living. no one knows what its like until it tears your family apart! By the way would you mind speaking proper English when you type rather than ya its just rude and arrogant!
sorry to hear that, she's my boss then :-) i work for people of such, free of charge
i know he wont doit again!!!
no disrespect with the
ya just short for "you"...
we added people in such positions (victims) 8 years and above in to this on the 27/5/11 being yesterday...check it out
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_2012_and_the_transition_of_the_ages/whats_happening_towards_2012_our_new_world-t34124.0.html
good luck
love all
Quote from: Summerlander on May 27, 2011, 12:33:10
Erm...you said something along those lines before actually. You did say homosexuality leads to paedophilia. I think it is you who needs to do the homework, not only on the way things really are but on your own posts too.
Just recently, at my sister's school 4 pre-pubescent girls went missing... :roll:
And this made me laugh... :-D
How do thought processes generate, ether2?
along those lines agree, generates man, generates, so do straights to man... we've been through this
preschoolers hay :x ...well, i can say they wont be sexually abused and it's weird
ya you bring this up because it was just bought to my attention to do something in this field in the last 24 hours... complicated... but worth it
how do thoughts generate... complicated complicated complicated...i'll leave it at that
it's been rearranged of late for the better of all so all the crap does'nt regenerate :wink:
good luck
love all
Quote from: ether2 on May 27, 2011, 12:49:44
how do thoughts generate... complicated complicated complicated...i'll leave it at that
:lol:
Please don't. Enlighten us! I think I speak for everyone here. We'd like to hear your explanation on how thoughts are generated...
Btw...
Quote
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_2012_and_the_transition_of_the_ages/whats_happening_towards_2012_our_new_world-t34124.0.html
I just checked out your link...it's trolling at its best. You are an expert! :-D
Quote from: Summerlander on May 27, 2011, 13:13:00
Please don't. Enlighten us! I think I speak for everyone here. We'd like to hear your explanation on how thoughts are generated...
man... if i start down that road ya going to want to know how why because
it's all of recently changed around some what (alot actually)
i'm not allowed to lie, ya lie/decieve in these fields ya fail with these fields thats fact man, i want to keep erradicating peadophilies, i lie/decieve i fail in this area as well as the other areas i'm active in, thats how this works man, don't let anyone tell ya different... so whats that got to do with it, you will just ask more questions and then i'll have to lie/decieve to get around it so ya don't think something, it's what i have been getting around for some time now, i could'nt just start and then not finish man
i will be writeing about it soon some where, where no questions can be asked :-D
good luck
love all
"Christians are so irrationally obsessed with this subject because deep down they are terrified that Jesus himself might have been gay"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReYfDlIa-Z8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReYfDlIa-Z8)
Quote from: ether2 on May 27, 2011, 21:18:51
man... if i start down that road ya going to want to know how why because
it's all of recently changed around some what (alot actually)
i'm not allowed to lie, ya lie/decieve in these fields ya fail with these fields thats fact man, i want to keep erradicating peadophilies, i lie/decieve i fail in this area as well as the other areas i'm active in, thats how this works man, don't let anyone tell ya different... so whats that got to do with it, you will just ask more questions and then i'll have to lie/decieve to get around it so ya don't think something, it's what i have been getting around for some time now, i could'nt just start and then not finish man
i will be writeing about it soon some where, where no questions can be asked :-D
good luck
love all
Sure, sure! :-D
Quote from: Lexy on May 27, 2011, 23:56:23
"Christians are so irrationally obsessed with this subject because deep down they are terrified that Jesus himself might have been gay"
This is a gross distortion of reality. What obsession? and how could something that isn't even real be irrational?
I grew up around a large family of Lutherans and Catholics and would occasionally even talk to the other groups that I would just lump into "Protestants" since I couldn't keep track of them all. The subject of homosexuality basically never came up, and even now still rarely comes up in regular conversation. Not even by the gay members of my family.
The real obsession lies with the atheists and militant gays who can't get over themselves enough to just let others choose for themselves. This is a sort of tyranny of the minority.
Lexy, the "Gay Jesus" idea has already been reasonably refuted on this thread. Instead of just repeating the lame idea with more video by another typically arrogant atheist, why not reply to the refutations offered here?
P.S. oh... and by the way. That arrogant atheist had to let loose with yet another snide comment about the Church and pedophilia which fuels and perpetuates another big lie against the great mother of Western Tradition. Guess what? Among all clergy surveyed, which Church do you think children were safest alone with? That's right... Catholic priests. Two to TEN TIMES SAFER! than all other clergy large enough and old enough to be in the study (Pedophiles and Priests: Anatomy of a Contemporary Crisis ( Paperback). Philip Jenkins). Many of the case incidents involving Catholic priests had to be set aside because they were relationships with 18 - 21 year old males (which isn't pedophilia).
I think that comment pretty much balances things out. :-D
There is no point in stereotyping. It doesn't matter if you're gay, straight, priest, cop, doctor, drug addict, toff and whatnot...anyone can be a paedophile. I will say this though...paedophilia is a separate matter from homosexuality and anyone who claims otherwise is a fool. ether2's statements are completely unfounded.
don't tell me what to do rudolph :-P
Quote from: Lexy on May 28, 2011, 19:15:26
don't tell me what to do rudolph :-P
I didn't tell you to do anything. I asked 'why not' try this other thing...?
8-)
I have not seen anything that tells me he wasn't gay. Other than Mary, which just makes him bisexual. I am just going to keep bringing up things that says he was :lol: because he might have been, and if he was, what is the big deal? Why do so many people get offended by it, you would think I said he was something bad. If he really was gay/bisexual, would Christians turn their back on him?
Maybe he was asexual, like the way the bible makes it sound.
http://www.asexuality.org/home/
"An asexual is someone who does not experience sexual attraction. Unlike celibacy, which people choose, asexuality is an intrinsic part of who we are. Asexuality does not make our lives any worse or any better, we just face a different set of challenges than most sexual people. There is considerable diversity among the asexual community; each asexual person experiences things like relationships, attraction, and arousal somewhat differently."