Frank's virtual classroom

[Souljah333]

i think i've missed more than a few posts in this thread. i can't keep up.
but i still have no idea on this...

does anyone have a copy of the e-book?
i can't figure out if it's just the classes or the e-book that frank didn't come through on?!? if there's no book either...well then. i rest my case.

on the flip side though...this could be the best thing that happened for all of those that were looking to frank for a quick ticket into the astral. the lord works in mysterious ways and all that.

of course if he's really sick...then i'm the b1tch! but i'm getting used to playing that role here!  

love to all soul
_____________________________
benky: put away that cough syrup!
your team needs you.

[Hans Solo]

Does everyone Frank Follower have such low intelligence?
He has no book, e-book, or through a publisher and no-one has seen it. And if he's spent 4 years on these forums, they've been a waste of time as me and most other don't understand a word he's saying half the time. If he couldn't pull out a book in 4 years, while he' spent all his time pratting on with this forum, he's not a credible author, and has not even made the first basic step to being a master of any kind. I really don't know why people are defending him.

I think you have answered your own question with this response.  If you don't understand a word he is saying then I would like to know your rationale for why WE are the low intelligence ones?  He finally started writing the book due to pressure from members on this forum to put everything into one place. I have been able to phase because of Frank, so it must be YOUR intelligence, or lack there of, that is inhibiting you from understanding this technique.

The fact remains there are no books on phasing in the past 5 years

It is funny because you quoted my response and then wrote this nonsense response.  DID YOU EVEN READ THAT QUOTE!  BRUCE MOEN, BRUCE MOEN!  He does a technique that is identical to phasing.  A horse by any other name is still a horse.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1571741011/qid=1129645789/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-8601176-7116042?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

I think we all understand the real reason for your venom.  This episode of Frank's disappearance gives you a reason to bash him because his theories are stepping on your belief's toes.    

With Love,

Han

[RooJ]

Has anyone tried sending Frank a written letter? Does he live with anyone? You may be able to contact someone else at the address that could supply you with more information.

[Hannah b]

okay..I take a deep breath and add my 2 cents.
Bruce Moen did publish his 5th book this year. It's a handbook. He doesn't call his method "phasing", but I did all his courses and KNOW that he is teaching...phasing.
http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/alkgidbk.html
Writing the book took him some time. Too much time. The matrix often pulled him aside, and made him work for his living. We all go through this dilemma. But Bruce's mission is a bit different. So he had a stroke. He made it through, but can't work like he did before. All of the sudden he had lots of free time. He finished his book. Now others can learn and benefit.
Coincidence?

[knightlight]

wow I thought this thread died but I guess I was wrong.  First off I will bet everything I own that Frank is sick and NOT A CON.  Call me a fool if you think otherwise but all you naysayers really have no idea whats going on.  

Granted, neither do I   , but I spent 2 months in constant email contact with Frank, sending and receiving emails about phasing and sharing ideas with him every single day.  He aided me more in those 2 months than anything I have done so far.  I had my first full blown phasing experience within ONE WEEK of being tutored by him.  As I see it either I am getting my money's worth when he gets back or I am paying for part of his funeral.  I would be glad to help out if that where the case (I hope not!!!!     ) but all you people who turn so quickly on him make me sick.  I bet you would still want your money back instead of helping to pay expenses.

On the whole NEW energy ways, as much as I hate to admit it, that was how I had my first traditional OBE and why im at this site.  I still consider Bruce a good guy with some good advice as long as you are willing to toss his Mystical crap out the window and shave his approach down to its least ridiculous parts.  Worked for me!



On an aside, Han, you need any help with that book?  I learned alot from him too and maybe this is what was supposed to happen??? I am  not big into fate but if he disappears for good it looks like its up to us and whoever else wants to contribute to keep his words alive.  I would love to spread the word.

on the flip side though...this could be the best thing that happened for all of those that were looking to frank for a quick ticket into the astral. the lord works in mysterious ways and all that.

of course if he's really sick...then i'm the b1tch! but i'm getting used to playing that role here! <-----      

LOL soul...    Too bad he may or may not have checked out too soon to prove his approach works.  I am a walking example though.  

[ger]

This debate is getting nasty.

To put everything in the right context here is a resume.

Frank build himself a pretty strong reputation here over the years. Helping many in their quest for either phasing and/or OBE. Everyone who as taken the time to read his posts will recognize his great knowledge.

Up to there, he is a generous fellow, helping others.  Then money leaks in.

He figured that since so many wanted that he write a book on the subject, he started. Then why not make a special class and charge money for it.

There's a slippage here. Exchanging with the members of the Astral Pulse, on a free basis, giving some of his time even in exchanging emails with some...to hey! why not make a buck out of this!

Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with this.

So he puts up his newsletter, and if you take the time to read it...what a sell pitch!!!  The best there is in marketing.

He offer private tutorials for a fee. That's still OK, he has every right to be paid for his time.

He even gives out his personal home address to prove that he is a real person not a company. He adds to this the "Frank Keeble Foundation" and ask to those who are willing to make donations.

Now that's two source of money coming in.  

He makes his group for the Virtual Classroom, member pay through PayPal. Then he tells the member that he is sick.

No news for a while. Some ask for a refund then, no reply from Frank. He gives members 3 weeks to either stay or ask for a refund. After 6-7 weeks no more news.

I wish like everybody here that this whole thing is just a misunderstanding. That Frank has health problems which are preventing him from giving any news. I wish that its nothing serious and that he will recover.

Now some facts.  The home address that he gave DOES NOT EXIST. There's one in a nearby town which exist, BUT NO ONE BY THAT NAME LIVES THERE.

As much as I would like to beleive that Frank is an honest fellow, this whole thing smells bad.  And it is LEGITIMATE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

[knightlight]

it is LEGITIMATE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

no doubt.  Not disagreeing there!

[Shinobi]

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[Tombo]

This whole thing is utterly strange. I really would like to find out whats really going on. I mean after all it is not just about Frank but also about his whole Theory of phasing and all his work that he did here.

But some how it should be possible to track down this guy, after all he has
-a registered Website
-Pay pal
-Was a moderator here for years
- has a IP-Address
Don't we have some crazy computer specialists here that can at least find out his "Real" Name and Address or confirm the one he gave?

Besides that It just doesn't make sense that Frank is supposed to be a con artist. I think what happened may be the following:
He decided to write the book and do his virtual classroom thing has he said, then his computer broke down. soon after that he got sick. then he gave the classroom members their money back option assuming that he is soon back in full health. Maybe he used an internetcafé for that? Unfortunately he got very ill after that, so ill in fact that he can't leave his house and his computer is still broke. His business partner is maybe assuming that every thing is working fine and Frank can't contact him either. So he can't contact us and he can't give you guys the money back. He may have used a fake address for whatever reason (He is no holy man) or he may live together with somebody else and only the other person is registered? I'm think he really lives in France though because he was often on line at the same time then I was (France, Switzerland is the same timezone)

So I still  believe this is no hoax.

The mere thought that Franks unfinished book may rest for ever in his PC is very disturbing

[Hans Solo]

The mere thought that Franks unfinished book may rest for ever in his PC is very disturbing

VERY disturbing.  For all of his post here it is very hard to put everything together without having experienced it first hand (Ie. for me that means focus3-4).  Also,  he was saving his dissertation about focus2 and the "wishing well (FZ)",  and using these focus levels to create reality in F1, for his book.  I have been looking forward to this book FOREVER!!  If he does not show up soon I will hunt him down, or at least his computer


Han



PS.  BTW, sorry to everyone I snapped at in my previous posts, I was having a low blood sugar moment.  My diet has got that under control now.  I do feel for those that have not been justly compensated for their private classes and understand their anger.

[Heather B.]

Oh dear,  I am worried about Frank...  I've been so inspired and encouraged by his posts!  I love the way he writes, and do hope to be able to read his book one day soon!  And he seems like such a kind, caring person!

Hm... I keep remembering what he wrote one time, about how Robert Monroe almost killed himself in the course of his studies.  That's been haunting me.    Especially since Frank has ventured even farther than Monroe.  It must cause one stress, in one way or another, and I can attest that stress can make one much more susceptible to physical illness.

Doesn't Frank have a wife/s.o.?  It seems like he mentioned once that she was in the UK.  If so, maybe he went back there?  I don't know, maybe I'm not remembering correctly.  

Well, I'm praying, wishing, hoping, etc. for him, and that all of us may receive some peace of mind soon!

[Kazbadan]

What was that "killing" experiment? I am starting to get afraid of obing, lol.

Frank had a girlfriend, i remember that, just dont know if from UK or not.

[knightlight]

I dont know the specific incidence she is referring to but I can imagine what she is getting at and I have had a few instances where the mental and physical stress levels have been almost too much to bare.  I think there is a greater chance of going insane than dying, dont worry!       I think the biggest thing for me is the fact that there are no limits to what you can experience which entails... well.. everything imaginable, good or bad, and stuff we cant even comprehend.

[Heather B.]

Well, I'm looking for the post about Monroe's brush with death.  Below is a post that sort of refers to it (starting at the middle of the 3rd post):

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19658

[RooJ]

Tombo:
As it stands we dont have an IP for Frank (at least i dont), chances are even if we had one from his last post his IP would have changed by now. He doesnt host his site so you cant retrieve his IP from that. Info on his site can be found here:
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.astralprojectiontruth.com

All newsletters where sent via aweber.com smtp servers, so you wont be able to retrieve IP addy's from them.

A valid IP address would allow you, in most cases, to confirm his location in France (not exact location).

Companies like Paypal wont, and shouldn't, release any private information on users. Even if you had a formal complaint against someone the best you could hope for would be for ebay to go through the relevant authorities keeping you informed. it would require some serious social engineering to retrieve any info off them.

If your really concerned and just have to find out, best place to start is with his address, try to confirm ger's findings contacting people in France. If someone knows where Frank was born you can easily confirm his name etc, as we know his DOB. You can access birth certificates and many other details just by knowing DOB and place of birth.

There are also some easier ways to find information on people over the net... but as they're mostly illegal i dont intend to use or discuss them here.

So maybe, looking at that, it would be best to just wait this one out heh,:D

>RooJ

[hotshotrobot]

Frank build himself a pretty strong reputation here over the years. Helping many in their quest for either phasing and/or OBE. Everyone who as taken the time to read his posts will recognize his great knowledge.

Up to there, he is a generous fellow, helping others. Then money leaks in.

He figured that since so many wanted that he write a book on the subject, he started. Then why not make a special class and charge money for it.

There's a slippage here. Exchanging with the members of the Astral Pulse, on a free basis, giving some of his time even in exchanging emails with some...to hey! why not make a buck out of this!

Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with this.

So he puts up his newsletter, and if you take the time to read it...what a sell pitch!!! The best there is in marketing.

He offer private tutorials for a fee. That's still OK, he has every right to be paid for his time.

He even gives out his personal home address to prove that he is a real person not a company. He adds to this the "Frank Keeble Foundation" and ask to those who are willing to make donations.

Now that's two source of money coming in.

He makes his group for the Virtual Classroom, member pay through PayPal. Then he tells the member that he is sick.

No news for a while. Some ask for a refund then, no reply from Frank. He gives members 3 weeks to either stay or ask for a refund. After 6-7 weeks no more news.

I wish like everybody here that this whole thing is just a misunderstanding. That Frank has health problems which are preventing him from giving any news. I wish that its nothing serious and that he will recover.

Now some facts. The home address that he gave DOES NOT EXIST. There's one in a nearby town which exist, BUT NO ONE BY THAT NAME LIVES THERE.

As much as I would like to beleive that Frank is an honest fellow, this whole thing smells bad. And it is LEGITIMATE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

ger:

I am addressing your post because it seems like you have the most initiative, and also the fairest approach of those who strongly question Frank's motives. Also, your points are quite persuasive.

Based on probability and intuition, however, I have to disagree with even the slight probability that Frank is a con artist. Seriously consider what you would do if you were in Frank's position and you were a con artist. He would have invested so much time and energy into this con that he could have really made it pay off. I'm a new member here and after reading his newsletters and some posts, I was ready to pay for the book ASAP, without proof or anything!

He could have made a lot of money for 3 seconds of work by posting: "My new book is ready. Here is how you buy it." But he didn't, and therefore it cannot be a con. It really is the strongest point, none of the others, for or against, even matter comparatively. Unless you have a good suggestion as to why he wouldn't capitalize on this last, easy opportunity, then I think it's a finished argument. Adrian even said he knows for a fact that Frank's book is near completion, and I see no reason to disbelieve him.

I really do think, based on the nature of his work, that he is probably undergoing some kind of illness/crisis which has caused his life to fall apart, but that's obviously just speculation. Frank was obviously an expert in the field; forget the "he doesn't have a book nonsense". There is practically a book's worth of material in his newsletters and posts. Contrary to other opinions, these works of his do form a very cohesive, although not complete body of work, including the method Frank himself recommends.

I would be ticked too if my money was taken without explanation, and I think every step you are taking is the right one. I just want to suggest that you think about my point and if you have a reply, by all means! I am just trying to break the matter down into its composite parts in order to give the most accurate possible representation of the reality of the situation.

[Tombo]

Thanks for the info RooJ, thing is I don't have any money involved, so I probably won't invest too much time in finding Frank right now  (Maybe a corporate effort I would support). As you said, it is probably the best to wait it out. I just thought maybe a computer crackerjack could find some infos with a few mouse clicks.

An the other hand if I find Franks manuscript I could sell it to you guys and make some cash  

[ger]

Hi hotshotrobot,

I agree with what you pointed out in your post. I am also leaning towards Frank's health being the source of all of this situation.

Some things are troublesome though. The ones I mentioned, the home address that HE gave to convince, and which comes out to be nonexistent is one. Another one is the final communication that he made with the members of his class in which he stated that he was giving the members 3 weeks to wait him out or ask for a refund.

This can go both ways. He wanted to be honest and refund those who didn't want to stay after this first delay because of his health problem. Another way to see this could also be that he was giving himself time.

Problem is that some members had already ask for a refund through many emails which Frank never answered. At that time, if he was able to send us an email why didn't he answer theses asking for a refund ?

I can easily comprehend that if after that last message his health tumbled down that he was in a position unable to communicate with the member's class. But why didn't he answer the previous one and make the refunds ?

I also agree that the con artist possibility seems ridiculous, for the same reasons that you, and others, have mentioned.

Every one here who have read Frank's posts respected him for his generosity and for his knowledge in phasing and classic OBE. Then go and read his sell-pitch on his newsletter offer.  Marketing at its best! A con artist couldn't have done a better job.

Fact is that he didn't need to do this to have members of the Astral Pulse join his classroom. We all trusted him. He had the utmost credibility for anyone wanting to learn

As for the money involved, nobody knows the amount. There's the classroom and the Foundation. We can only speculate.

I'm as baffled as everyone. Both conclusion are plausible, and each has an Achilles heel.

As you pointed out, it is hard to understand why he would do this when a lots money would have resulted from his published book.

As for myself, I deeply wish that this is all a misunderstanding, that he will come "back in the Land of the living" as he wrote. That he will explain everything and do what every members of his class wish for....teach!

[Tombo]

OK i jsut read a couple of Franks older posts and realized that he can not be a con artist the mere thought seems ridiculous. He was such a nice and helpful person I would bet all my money that he is honest.

[Ben K]

ya know he said he was on the verge of discovering the secret of linear time... maybe he ripped a hole in the spacetime continuum and was deleted from this timeline or something crazy like that! ha heres hoping the lad's ok.

[Adrian]

Hello everyone,

For the Internet detectives among you let me assure you that I have the last IP address that Frank posted with and it belongs to the same ISP that he has always used in France. I can fully understand your effiorts to investigate this under the circumstances.

I would like to thank everyone for your positive observations on the character of Frank. I know how much time Frank has put into writing his book and you can be sure that there is no way he would have done that for it all to come to nothing.

I also know that Frank was totally motivated to help others with Astral Projection based upon his own vast experience and the immense amount of time he has freely given to people on these forums over the last three years. And this is why he thought a course would also be a good idea.

What little I do know of Frank's current situation I do know that it is not good from a health point of view, and that is an understatement.

I am fully confident that if Frank is able to return to the Internet he will carry on where he left off. In the meantime the best thing everyone can do is to send him as much healing energy as you can.

As always, everyone can feel completely free to contact me about this or any other issue.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[Tombo]

Thanks for the updata Adrian, I appreciate it very much!

[Kazbadan]

Adrian, you said that you know little, but u know something. Do you know or have an idea of the problem/disease affecting him? Or you dont have any idea about it? Or you know but u dont want to reveal, since is a personal thing? If is the last option, u can say it (i think...i speak for myself) and i will respect that. I was just curious about Frank situation..i dont like to know that he is living a very bad problem.

thanks.

[Gandalf]

I think it's clear that the exact details are considered personal and are to remain so for the immediate future.

Doug

[Kazbadan]

oh! ok...so, Adrian knows the problem. It must be a bad one, or he wouldnt call for our help for pray (or send healing energy) to him.