is there a school?

[Radium]

Hi everyone!

I wanted to ask if any of you are aware of any University of any kind (in the US) where one could pursue studies in this field (Hermetics, Esoteric science, etc.)

Thanks

Radim

[Arcaenis]

Thats a dream I'ves wanted to always had. I've always wanted to make a university based around PSI., astral etc. Gifted students from around the world would be at this school. The school it self would have a futuristic appeal. I've even made this school in the astral, but in a small... exibit if you will.

[Astralwych]

Gifted students? Like X-Men Mutants. How bout make it for those who are gifted and those who are struggling or those who want to learn but don't know how yet, and you can teach em all .

Radium, I dont think there is an actual university, but there are Orders that teach you things like that. There can also be talks and seminars on this kind of thing if you happen to know where to look.

good luck

[Nostic]

One of my goals is to one day start a school/orphanage that'll help kids develop their psychic ability.

As for the question at hand, I have no idea.  

[Arcaenis]

i wouldn't have the pateints for the little ones

[CaCoDeMoN]

Radium, I dont think there is an actual university, but there are Orders that teach you things like that. There can also be talks and seminars on this kind of thing if you happen to know where to look.

Yes, they are even in Poland, but I find them a bit too sectarian....

[Scorpyn]

Thats a dream I'ves wanted to always had. I've always wanted to make a university based around PSI., astral etc. Gifted students from around the world would be at this school. The school it self would have a futuristic appeal. I've even made this school in the astral, but in a small... exibit if you will.

If you want a school for the gifted, then the astral would be the most logical place for it I think...

[Arcaenis]

No, I mean one in the real world. People who hold us as a high order. Better then all the Ivy League schools put together. The technology of the school would be highly advanced. The government would be asking us for answers.

[Arcaenis]

not to mention, people would treat us as jedi's. LOL

[Radium]

I know there are schools in Astral - but you see - what can a person like me do in Physical world. I pursued studies in IT,  (while doing my stuff) then got a degree in business (still doing my stuff in free time).

During the whole time I'm doing something that I know is not really what I should be doing - Degree is good to have but... do I need it?

I just thought that finally I could merge (doing stuff I like doing (i.e.Bardon)
with what I'm doing in life - more intensively - not just when I find a free time after doing work. Maybe a research I could do same as the one you need to do for a degree.

When I was reading all the stupid business books when doing my business degree I was thinking : well...if I would have read so many books and researched so much information on what I'm really interested in instead of wasting my time with my degree research I would probably be far away from understanding of things that I'm in now.
But...I'd probably be working in McDonalds..

[Arcaenis]

You could work for the FBI, Internal Affairs, NSA, CIA, or just open your own physic readings.

[patapouf]

Hi everyone!

I wanted to ask if any of you are aware of any University of any kind (in the US) where one could pursue studies in this field (Hermetics, Esoteric science, etc.)

Thanks

Radim

I found while searching on yahoo an online non-traditional type of university but I don't think it is what you are looking for. Also, I don't think they have courses on how to develop psychic skills, remote viewing or astral projection, etc. Take a look if you want....  

Universal University

Take care,

[data]

There is a psychic college in London that offers courses on psychic development, self development and healing. However, none of these are full time education. They are weekly courses, where you attend one fixed day every week for a couple of hours for a fixed no of weeks.

If you're still interested. You can check them out here: http://www.collegeofpsychicstudies.co.uk/index.html

Personally, it sounds like a scam to me. You will learn much of the knowledge and exercises they treat you in free e-books online. However, learning from books always leaves you incomplete. It is best you learn from a teacher. The difficult part is finding a teacher. Be very discriminating in the teacher you choose.

[alexd]

I think the problem with integrating it into the education system is the way in which the system works. The nature of spiritual growth isn't to test you, it's for yourself to learn and grow. The very nature of modern education opposes that. In my opinion Astral Projection should be taught from primary school in every school.


Alex

[data]

I think a more holistic approach is to teach spirituality, philosophy, critical thinking, and self development from primary school.

Unfortunately, to some this would seem like religion and they would oppose it. Until, more people do not become aware of the reality of these, such a change in education would be a pipe-dream.  What we could integrate into our system is philosophy and critical thinking. It the next best to spirituality in terms of personal development.

Further schooling should be more personal and have a moral approach. Not systematic. It is no surprise why so many think of themselves and the universe as a machine.

[Radium]

Many thanks for your links.

To be honest with you. I'm not looking for a teacher. I already have one (two in fact) - well three if you count non physical

The reason why I was asking if there is a school was not because I wanted to  apply to a university to develop any abilities but because I wanted to use my full time for extensive reading and theoretical knowledge acquiring just like I did when getting my degree.

The fact that there are none only confirms that such things cannot be really thought by anyone because even your teacher sees things from his viewpoint and the level of your understanding depends on your advancement.

My teacher told me a very wise thing. " Good student is the one who needs to see his teacher least" In other words everyone of us is his best teacher, and  we should use anybody else's advices as other viewpoint and guidance with somehow creates our further path.

Spiritual development is purely individual process . Individuality is what differentiates us. If we were all the same, why would have God created so many of us?  I believe that here lies the true importance of being silent about your progress (according to Bardon) since by doing this you profound your individuality and let others have that experience of finding on their own which I believe is why we're here.

Telling everyone what you experiences is in my opinion forcing others to perceive reality the way you do, without letting them have the experience of finding on their own.  And what works for you might not work for someone else.

Of course here I'm not talking about sharing experiences between practicing students on the same level which are capable forcing each other in any kind of belief system but rather taking the best out of all systems to create their own.

These are reason why I believe there will never be a serious school teaching  humans how to progress as all "real teachers" know that this is something one has to simply do on his own.

What are your thoughts?

[data]

I have personally believed the same, that I am my best teacher and I could learn by myself, but now I am starting to realize the importance of a teacher or guru.

It is very easy to think "I know" and then something else comes along, and you realize you don't know. I have made that blunder so many times. In actual fact "I know" is an ego. We have so many egos, false identities, that any subjective experience or knowing, could be the projection of one of your egos.

This summons the age old philosophical question: "How do I know, that I know"

I read a perfect answer to this in the yoga sutras. It says: When inference, validation and experience converge.

Validation, is where a teacher comes in. A teacher has already walked the path, and can guide you to the truth and share his experiences on the path, both positive and negative, to inspire you, encourage you and to give you insight into the journey and to test you. His/her wisdom is what will nurture you. You can interact with him and ask questions.

Once you find this teacher, and as I said it is very difficult finding the teacher that is right for you, but once you do; surrender yourself to him/her completely. Surrendering your self to another is giving everything you own to another and is a highest expression of faith, and that gesture of surrendering is what opens you up to receive. You are finding god within another.

Every great spiritual master has had a teacher. Even Krishna had a teacher. This is the tradition of knowledge and it is said without a teacher, you will have no knowledge.

[Radium]

I understand that it's difficult for many people to cope with unanswered question by themselves. Many people are desperately looking around for a teacher and don't realize that all people surrendering them in their lives are their teachers helping them get life experiences they need for their advancement.

I agree that many people have multiple identities and for them saying "I know" may really be a projection of ego. I believe yoga's approach is good and may work for many people. I personally think that knowing that know is your only very personal and individual privilege which comes to you through your inner voice, (from your heart, from the God, light, ...) That's when you just know and can't explain why.

I'd be a little careful about combining the two words - teacher and true. Teacher symbolizes the Truth for the student however, each student has a teacher that correspond to his level of advancement. Therefore even the teacher sees things from his viewpoint, even though very wise and experienced I would never match it against the word "Truth". He can offer the best he can but it doesn't mean he can't be wrong.

The good thing about having a teacher is that what happens between teacher and student is that student's mind may advance much faster through love to his teacher - teacher's much higher vibrations raise students' making him more spiritual and advanced.  (analogy: if you hang out with good guys you'll be a good person but if you hang out with bad guys you most likely wont)

One thing I don't agree with is that one couldn't progress without a teacher. (physical one) First of all, we all have spiritual guides that teach us and help us even thought many time we aren't aware of it. Second there are books and teachings of great masters like Bardon. If you look at Bardons Initiation to Hermetics he says there that he wrote this book for all people who complained that they had never really any chance for true advancement. It gives step by step instruction for a student what to do.
By working hard on himself student can answer all his questions himself.

Don't look for a teacher! If you look for him you won't find him.

One great master said: " Teacher appears when student is ready"

I don't think that desperately looking for teacher is showing readiness.

What do you think?

[Dan36oy]

But...I'd probably be working in McDonalds..

Somebody has got to do it  

From a business perspective and having a degree in business you could always ponder the possibility of creating a private school for esoteric studies.  Obviously there is a demand.

[Radium]

Good thought! Yeah, and the demand will be growing, maybe in 10 years

[data]

Hi Radium,

I think you are right about a lot of things. No, combining teacher with truth, is not wise. It is blind faith and yogic philosophy does not support that.

The teacher is only there to guide you, inspire you, test you and validate your knowing. You may claim to know something, you have inferred from an experience. However, how do you know it is the truth?

The teacher will validate it for you, by testing your knowing and applying it.  When inference(logical), experience(subjective knowing) and validation(empirical or authority) converge, you know there is a truth.

For example, suppose you touch a naked flame with your finger. You experience pain and you instantly withdraw your hand. You deduce that the naked flame is hot and touching hot causes pain, Yet, how do you know that others would experience pain too? You seek validation from others. They experience the same and arrive at the same truth.

You thus arrive at a truth that touching hot naked flames causes pain. Yet, you only have partial validation. You then come across a person who is touching a naked flame with his hands,  burning thousands of degrees, and not experiencing any pain at all. Therefore it is not true that hot flames cause pain on touch.  You seek his wisdom, become his student, submit to his superior knowledge, and he teaches you mastery over heat and cold. Now you infer something else and experience something else. You have learned a greater and more complete truth.

Hence, why only a teacher can give you knowledge. This is called the Guru tradition in Yoga. Yes, your guides can teach you too, but they have their limits. A teacher has no limits in what they can teach you. You can find god himself in a teacher.

Now suppose, god had incarnated himself to teach you, and appeared to you as a teacher. It would be very unfortunate if you said "I don't need your teachings, I have my guides" A teacher is sometimes called the second father/mother of a student. It is a very sacred relationship.

In modern times, it is not like this, I know. That is why the modern education systems lacks personality and soul.  It's simply a machine. Like most things in modern society. As I said, it is no surprise, people think of themselves as machines. Because, that is what they've always known.

Finally, it is true that sometimes a teacher will come to you. Yet, it is also true, that sometimes you have to go to a teacher. If you are thirsty, what do you do? You go and drink. Sometimes we have to take our own initiative in life.

[Radium]

I gotta just answer briefly as I'm getting ready for before-graduation tests.


Yes - truth is relative to each one of us. My truth is not your Truth. I might get burned but you not. - That is our individual truth  -truth within ourselves we seek. Truth=God. Truth within myself = God, light, source within myself.

That is Truth in our small space - Microcosm.

General Truth - between you and me or among other people (not only with one's self) can be only told with knowledge of Universal Laws.

That is laws of Micro-Macro cosm. Both Microsocm laws (Human) and Macrocosm Laws have to match and be in harmony. In my opinion the more you live in harmony, nature ...  and more you advance in expanding your consciousness by training (regardless of type - meditation, prayer, Yoga, Hermetic exercises, Reiki, Matrial arts, other religion) within these Micro-Macro cosmic laws the more you acsend in your path, the closer to the God/Truth you get and the better teacher you become for other.  Once you ascent that far and become "perfect human" You're infinite generosity and love within you to "everything" will lead you to come down again and help other people on their way.

Since would you really be perfect if you hadn't desire to help other people on their way?

[data]

Best of luck on your exams,

Yes, and those people who have ascended, can become our teachers. Again, why it is said that there is no knowledge without teachers.

As all truths are relative and some truths are greater and more complete than the other. Most of us share only the truths of the gross. Some teachers have gone beyond the gross, and the subtle and even beyond the casual. That is why their truth is so much more superior, and that is why we should submit to their wisdom, and learn from them.

Hence, why so many intellectuals, particularly quantum physicists, follow the yoga philosophy. It is a complete knowledge system. It explores not only the the gross, but the subtle and the casual, and explains in great scientific depth.

I was reading in the Yoga sutras, that attaining knowledge is simply retracing from the gross to the source, by identifying and understanding the fundamental principles and constituents of mind, matter, energy, space, time and soul, through logic, experience and validation(empirical) That really is just quantum physics.

So,  when I hear people today say that we have a greater understanding of the universe today than before, I can't help but grin, because on the contrary, we have far less understanding of the universe than we did before and far less ability and intelligence than we did before. We have devolved.

[flowdiggity]

we ought to get a big list of people interested in starting  up a school of some sort from the forums... and just start talking about it, maybe someday someone would invest in it, i would if i had the cash... but im only 20

but heck, if we started working on it... who knows what could happen

the one major prob... folks from these forums are scattered alllll overrr the globe

anyways, you'll all probably think im silly, but i like to get excrement done  woo woo, ill be thinking

[coolbreeze]

I haven't really found a teacher that helps me on the stuff found here, but I do have a friend I discuss things with. We're the same age and at different stages in each part of life. Sometimes I feel that this relationship is better than that which i could have with a teacher, though teachers are wonderful to have.

not to mention, people would treat us as Jedi's

*pulls out light-saber* Whose to say we can't be Jedi's? May the force be with you all.