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Allanon
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« on: August 28, 2003, 07:09:58 »

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You cant save anyone


That is God's job.
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Tayesin
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2003, 13:02:15 »


This may sound like a super-dumb question, but, what is it we are supposed to be saved from?  

The creator I know and trust has no punishment in store for anyone who does not follow the way of the christian religion.  

Will all Buddhists, Islamics and all the other religions be doomed to whatever fate you say we need to find salvation from?

The religious indoctrination process has a lot to answer for when on the one hand, it attempts to repress our nature as divine creations and on the other tells us in the words of Jesus that the journey to knowledge of the father is through self-knowledge.  Knowing the true self brings us into direct contact with the creative force you call God, so why do we need to be saved from that?

Love always[Smiley]
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2003, 13:02:15 »

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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2003, 20:24:10 »

You can save someone, but you cannot be saved. That is my idea of it.

According to my view to save someone or rather to save yourself means to cause a certain likelihood to happen that includes you being alive right now. You have to pick that likelihood all the time.

Why would you like to save someone or something? I think, because you love someone or something and because you feel responsible. To love and to be responsible means to act self-determined. Self-determination on the other hand means that you have a free will.

The tricky thing is that we do not just have the free will to save someone, but we also have the free will to not save anyone. We have the choice to not make use of our ability to save ourselves, to keep us alive. We have the choice to die.

Unfortunately most people do not see that they make choices in this regard every moment. They don't see how their choices determine the world, their world and the world around them. They do not see their responsibility for their life and for this universe. Why? Because they do not love.

To stay alive means to love. To love yourself means to save yourself. Someone might argue, that we all love, that just some people are not aware of the fact that they are loving beings. But I think, that this just shows everybody's potential. The free flow of love is necessary to make use of someone's love, to make use of someone's potential. Only freely expressed love can save yourself or save the world.

A heart full of love makes it easier to choose a likelihood. It makes it easier to choose life. As more people are expressing their love freely, as higher gets the probability of this world to survive, to have possibilities to develop in future and to surpass itself again and again.

You cannot force anyone to love, i.e. you cannot save anyone. But the thing you can do is to love even the people who do not love, who do not believe in this world. The nice thing is that through the experience of being loved a person can recognize his/her choice that he/she can love as well.

Make use of your 'Infinite Improbability Drive' of your own 'Heart of Gold'.

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2003, 22:09:26 »

11there is no one who understands,
       no one who seeks God.
    12All have turned away,
       they have together become worthless;
   there is no one who does good,
       not even one."[3]
    13"Their throats are open graves;
       their tongues practice deceit."[4]
   "The poison of vipers is on their lips."[5]
        14"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."[6]
    15"Their feet are swift to shed blood;
        16ruin and misery mark their ways,
    17and the way of peace they do not know."[7]
        18"There is no fear of God before their eyes."[8]
19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.


WE MUST BE SAVED FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE LAW WHICH IS ETERNAL SEPERATION FROM GOD DUE TO OUR SINS.
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2003, 03:10:31 »

*sarcastially* Can I get an AMEN?  how about a hallelujia?[Cheesy]

sorry, thats satan speaking [Wink]
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2003, 16:58:12 »

You cant save anyone and no one is a cause.  Its a temptation I see when a person adopts a certain world viewpoint or set of beliefs.

It can happen and often does happen when a person becomes a christian.  But It can also happen when a person finds another way.  Such as AP, other new age philosophies.  I dont engage in religious debates because I think the end goal is really to be right and in hopes that person will go over to your side.

It wont happen.  Especially when it comes to religious beliefs.  Sure you may convert a person every now and then, but how strong is a path they didnt find themselves?

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