Salvia Divinorum?

[The Entropic Mind]

I've read that numerous people have had use of salvia for spiritual purposes, and I've been considering using it. I plan to meditate for a good while and then chew extract while chanting my mantra mentally and thinking of the most lovely thing I can...I could really use a good release, and this seems to be of a decent try.

[Logic]

The effects of strong doses or large ammounts of Salvia can be intensely overwhelming, (they sure have been for me) so I would find it very hard to navigate in that state of mind. However, it provides an example of the potential the mind has in altered states like sleep, meditation, and 'out of body experiences', but I wouldnt think that using it as an aid would always be easy or productive.

[HD]

best to smoke it....
prepair yourself as best you can... (find a good mental state)

have a sitter, salvia has strange gravity/vortex effects (being sucked into walls, out winows etc) sometimes the physical body is affected, you may find yourself out in the middle of the street if you are alone.

and hang on......

if you want to chew, then perhaps you may want to grow your own, i had 3 plants for a while, they are easy to grow.... and the bond you create with the plant will help smooth your introduction to her.

-HD

[jilola]

If you plan to use strong doses make sure you have a sober sitter around to stop you from hurting yourself.
The hallucinations caused by salvia are indistinguishable from reality and often the person has no recollection of taking the stuff.
Be especially careful if you use a vaporiser to ingest the herb.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[The Entropic Mind]

Oh no, I was just going to use about 5x or 10x because it would be my first time. I'll be meditating and in a peaceful state, so I wouldn't imagine that I'll end up down the street or anything.

I don't really want to smoke it because I'm health concious, and I've also read that chewing can be more effecting because the psychoactive compound gets absorbed in greater amounts and at better rates through the oral (something) glands than as opposed to troublesomely smoking it with a torch lighter; and I don't own, nor want to get caught by my parents with, a bong, so chewing is the best option for me. I was going to make tea, but then I read that you really don't absorb the compound that way. And I've read its nice to have a sitter near by to keep watch, but I don't think its really nessecary, I'll just be in my room, so its not that big of a deal.

[MisterJingo]

If you plan to use strong doses make sure you have a sober sitter around to stop you from hurting yourself.
The hallucinations caused by salvia are indistinguishable from reality and often the person has no recollection of taking the stuff.
Be especially careful if you use a vaporiser to ingest the herb.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

are you serious? you can buy this stuff on the internet &
it makes you trip out like that? that's hard to believe

Yes. I believe it has been made illegal in Australia, but as far as I know its still legal in most other countries. And yes, it can be an amazingly potent psychedelic. It's actually for sale in quite a few shops near me .

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Salvia_divinorum.shtml

Details some peoples experiences with this plant.
I've had experience with it too, which I won't go into here.  But I would definately say start with low doses, read up on it, so you know what you are getting into, and definately have a trip-sitter. It is possible to lose all bodily (And life) awareness as you get caught up in its experience.

[The Entropic Mind]

If you plan to use strong doses make sure you have a sober sitter around to stop you from hurting yourself.
The hallucinations caused by salvia are indistinguishable from reality and often the person has no recollection of taking the stuff.
Be especially careful if you use a vaporiser to ingest the herb.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

are you serious? you can buy this stuff on the internet &
it makes you trip out like that? that's hard to believe

Yes. I believe it has been made illegal in Australia, but as far as I know its still legal in most other countries. And yes, it can be an amazingly potent psychedelic. It's actually for sale in quite a few shops near me .

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Salvia_divinorum.shtml

Details some peoples experiences with this plant.
I've had experience with it too, which I won't go into here.  But I would definately say start with low doses, read up on it, so you know what you are getting into, and definately have a trip-sitter. It is possible to lose all bodily (And life) awareness as you get caught up in its experience.

Sure. I've read that the initial activation doesn't last any longer than five minutes in most cases, or up to a half an hour (very rare). A few states in America have created criminal offenses for using or possession of salvia, but luckily texas isn't one of them.

[MisterJingo]

Sure. I've read that the initial activation doesn't last any longer than five minutes in most cases, or up to a half an hour (very rare). A few states in America have created criminal offenses for using or possession of salvia, but luckily texas isn't one of them.

The thing to keep in mind is if you do manage to have a breakthrough experience, the experience might only last 2-5 minutes in baseline time, but to the person experiencing it, time dilation can make it seem infinitely longer. Not only that, it can obliterate ones concept of time totally, and so subjectively you can be there for what feels like forever.
It's just something to be very careful with, as most people I know who have experience with salivia agree that it has a sting in its tail  . It can be a very stern teacher.

[MisterJingo]

the place I buy incense from has all these weird herbs,
I didn't think they actually did anything...lol...thanks for the info..
I read it only lasts for a short time, that's good news.

Most of the 'legal highs' are a waste of money to be honest. Although some do have such things as LSA (morning glory seeds(!)) in them. Salvia is an unusual exception as it can be staggeringly potent. Although I think it will be scheduled in more and more places as time goes on.

[unknown2012]

lol i was just talking to my friend about this stuff the other day.
i smoked this once a long time ago.. omg!!
i was sitting on the couch in my apartment, but when i smoked this stuff i swear i was sitting on a log in a forrest! i also saw a troll.
i'm so so for real, this was freaky stuff.
and yea it only lasted a few mins. 1-3 mins, dont remember.
and after i smoked it , i felt really aggrivated, i snapped at my friend and just wanted to be alone.
if anyone does this , you should for real have someone with you.

[jilola]

And I've read its nice to have a sitter near by to keep watch, but I don't think its really nessecary, I'll just be in my room, so its not that big of a deal.

It all depends on the dose and your tolerance for the stuff.
Above certain lelves the stuff disconnects you completely from the usual reality and leave to reacting to the hallucinatory world. It's entirely possible you may mmove around and leave the room without knowing.
A high dose can leave a total blank in your memory so a sitter can be helpful in making notes of what you experience and how you behave when otherwise you'd have only a blank spot.

Chewing is probably the safest method as you can control the dose by spitting the stuff out once the desired level has been reached. The taste is foul though.

Just because salvia d. is legal doesn't mean it cannot turn a round and bite you in the arse. Treat this substance with respect and it'll respect you in return.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[atomvy]

can some one please enlighten me on this salvia?

what is it?
sorry im bit ignorant of it

[The Entropic Mind]

Most of the 'legal highs' are a waste of money to be honest. Although some do have such things as LSA (morning glory seeds(!)) in them. Salvia is an unusual exception as it can be staggeringly potent. Although I think it will be scheduled in more and more places as time goes on.

yeah...I am not interested in getting high, I think the experiences are very interesting though..
The place I order incense from has top quality incense so I suppose their herbs are the best too.
A bunch of different dream herbs, extracts & seeds that various native tribes use..
None of it's not illegal where I am yet...Salvia--I saw 5X, 10X, 15X, 20X, 40X & a sublingual tincture.

Holy Moly, 40x? I didn't know they made it that strong; Thats loco levels.

[The Entropic Mind]

can some one please enlighten me on this salvia?

what is it?
sorry im bit ignorant of it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

[knightlight]

40X?       I bought some 15x a while ago and that excrement majorly tripped me out.  I smoked a little bit of it and suddenly my legs exited my body and they where floating out on mid air, it was messed up.  It hits you so  fast too.  After the first time I stuffed like 3 times the first amount in the pipe, hit it really hard and it hit me so fast I went to put the pipe down and before I knew it I didnt know which hand the pipe was in and then suddenly I was laying on my bed.  My bed folded up over me and it turned into a rainbow colored tunnel and I was sliding through it.  I looked over at my TV and scenes of things that triggered mental recollections from years and years ago and a sense of "I have been told of this moment before, it was prophecized" ran through my head.  It often caused me to break out in a vicious full body sweat after the effects wore off and my skin got hyper sensitive to the sensation of clothes on it.  

One time I took a giant rip and layed back and my friend asked me what I felt and it felt like I could feel every single fiber of cloth on my body and I said in a strange voice "I can feel my shirt, and the itchy" and proceeded to fall through the floor and snap back into my body.  The stuffs nuts, honestly.

[Stookie]

It should also be noted that it tends to have a reverse-tolerance effect on some people. The more one smokes it, the less is needed the next time to have the same or greater effect. Not to be played with.

[Selski]

I smoked a little bit of it and suddenly my legs exited my body and they where floating out on mid air, it was messed up.  It hits you so  fast too.  After the first time I stuffed like 3 times the first amount in the pipe, hit it really hard and it hit me so fast I went to put the pipe down and before I knew it I didnt know which hand the pipe was in and then suddenly I was laying on my bed.  My bed folded up over me and it turned into a rainbow colored tunnel and I was sliding through it.  I looked over at my TV and scenes of things that triggered mental recollections from years and years ago and a sense of "I have been told of this moment before, it was prophecized" ran through my head.  It often caused me to break out in a vicious full body sweat after the effects wore off and my skin got hyper sensitive to the sensation of clothes on it.  

One time I took a giant rip and layed back and my friend asked me what I felt and it felt like I could feel every single fiber of cloth on my body and I said in a strange voice "I can feel my shirt, and the itchy" and proceeded to fall through the floor and snap back into my body.  The stuffs nuts, honestly.

WOAH!!!!!  THAT SOUNDS BRILLIANT!!!!

I want some of that rainbow coloured tunnel stuff!!!!

   

I think it's illegal in this country, so next time I come and visit you knightlight - would you get some in for us?!!  

Sarah

[Greenrat]

no its not illegal sarah any of the "zen" new age shops will sell it.
its really profound stuff, you know exactly what the trip means when your tripping, but when your back down again- trying to comprehend what just happened will be impossible.
i remember sensing different lifeforms around me, and kept speaking to them, but only after i was half way through conversation did i realise i was talking to something that wasnt there (or was??)
at one point i was the ball in a game of tennis between to pigmi type men, then i felt i was being watched by a group of spirits who were giving me the impression that "i should not be there" very very odd.

this is really educational stuff which should be respected for what it does to you, its like going to school being high on this stuff.
tbh magic mushrooms are a lot lighter and more playful, but the insights about oneself are still there.

[jilola]

did you have a sitter? do you always need a sitter or
it's that just in the beginning?

Have a sitter at least during the first experiences while you are familiarising yourself to the effects and your sensitivity. Later on, once you have a good handle on proper dosage and know how you tend to behave during the trip, you may chose to have the experience without a sitter.
Most people are unable or unwilling to move during an experience but some tend to move and while being dissociated from your usual reality you can get hurt.

I read some people use it for meditation, how does that work?

Take a very low dose to cause the perceptual shift. Perhaps 3/4 of a low dose (which you are supposed to have found for yourself above)

like I read the tincture is mild

Thatdepends entirely on the tincture. Some are basically just water with salvia juice mixed in. Others are specifically created solution using pure salvinorin and high proof alcohol.

I suspect the best liquid for is available from http://www.sagewisdom.org/gatekeeper.html

Incidentally sagewisdom.org along woth erowig.org are probably the best places to learn about salvia. Nice trip reports on both sites as well.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[Greenrat]

you wont need a sitter if you know yourself enough, i think people only do crazy stuff when there conscious mind falls asleep during a trip, but people like this probably have a constant monkey mind going on- i prefer to be alone when im tripping because my intention is to go inside myself.

 imo any hallucinogen is a great thing to do whilst meditating, any psychotropic will give you great insight into whatver it is your channeleing it into (exerxise, musical intrument, dancing etc..) and the mind is no different.
Meditating on a mushroom trip will blow your mind, your muscles get a hell of a lot more relaxed so you have a much more clear picture of where the tension is in your body, i think it it was done like this regular it'd speed up the kundalini process 100x, thats down to the person.

my salvia trip lasted about 40 mins, but only ten minuites actually felt like i wasnt in this dimension, the other 30 was like being inbetween worlds- i was starring into a mirror for the come down and i felt like i wasnt looking at me, my face kept changing shape.

[jilola]

the idea of sober people watching you trip can make you
a little self conscious maybe...but safety is first

Think about the sitter as air traffic control. They are there to make sure you are safe and can thus enjoy the experience without worrying about getting hurt. "Ground control to Major Tom...."
Their job is to prevent physical harm and to be aq comfort and groundig agent if you end up with a bad trip.

That's why the sitter should be someone you trust.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[knucklebrain1970]

I have mass ammounts of this stuff. Figuring that the Federales will be shutting it down soon, I ordered up.  I never use a sitter caus I don't really care to. I use to get panic attacks a lot, before I even tried Salvia.

I was scared s-less to try Salvia. Here's the deal. Become at peace with death before you try it. See, I'm all about excitement,  I could care less what happens.

Now for me, Salvia is more or less a different type of thing everytime. Mostly it's body sensations. However, for me it's usually like feeling like my body is sevaral feet from me. I don't really see my body, but it's like, if I'm walking, it's ahead of me. I've been sucked into vacuums, black holes, vortexes. I've been to fairy lands, pumpkin farms.

I've tried all the brands. Word of advice. Don't go and buy it at a smoke shop locally. You'll get screwed. I dont' take one hit either. I take like 50 hits. Of course after the initial BANG.

Some say Salvia is not a party drug? I call BS. I've had more fun with Salvia at parties. I usually pack a huge huge pipe, have peopel sit in a circle and pass the thing around till everyone is obliterated. It's hella fun I think.  Especially when a first timer is going HOLY SH**, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT STUFF.

I have tried the regular leaf, and the extract. I bought a huge bag of the leaf for very cheap. I'll tell you whut. The big leaf, for me is far more potent. I took like 10 huge hits and I was trippin my socks off for a good 1/2 hour. I was praying to just come down. Seriously. It was like acid for me. But I'm just that way. Things affect me far greater than other people since I started having panic attacks.

However, the only thing that really gives me anxiety, is worrying about how the salvia trip is going to be. So I just tell myself, if I die, I die and that's how I've come to peace with the effects of Sally D.

Kevin

[MisterJingo]

it's like that.. is it?


:confused:

so do you lose touch with reality or not...is it possible
that you will drop the blowtorch without knowing, set the place on fire,
while sitting there like a zombie?

You can totally lose touch with reality - or you might not. Usually first time use sees little effect (it took me a few tries to 'break through') - although this isn't a given.
If you have a ligher which doesn't turn off - there is a possibility of dropping it and causing a fire. All the reason to have a trip sitter .

[no_leaf_clover]

If you have a ligher which doesn't turn off - there is a possibility of dropping it and causing a fire. All the reason to have a trip sitter .

Ooh, definitely. I've talked to people who've done the stuff, and they said they've sat and stared for a solid 15 minutes while imagining they were doing all sorts of things. Totally out of it. If you were to start a fire in a situation like that, you would be pretty screwed without assistance.

[Stookie]

it's like that.. is it?


:confused:

so do you lose touch with reality or not...is it possible
that you will drop the blowtorch without knowing, set the place on fire,
while sitting there like a zombie?

Oh yes, you can lose touch. I watched someone drop a bong before staring into space for about 1 min, totally oblivious to anything around them. And that's after just 1 hit of 5x. I wouldn't advise to try it just out of curiosity. Or at all, for that matter. It's not fun, just ridiculously intense.