Talking about OBE "in real life"

Jeff_Mash · December 09, 2002, 20:11:19

The only people who I talk about it with are people online, such as you guys on this forum. Those closest to me have no idea, save for a select few.

I don't think I fear the "you're crazy" reaction as I am the "Oh big deal" reaction. Part of me wants everyone to react in a way which mimics a 5 year old getting his favorite present on Christmas day. Knowing that this is a mere fantasy, I choose to keep my thoughts and projections to myself, only sharing them with those who're like minded.

As I've mentioned on this board recently, I'm slowing working the nerve to introduce the idea of astral projection to my fiance, Brandi. I would like her to accept it the most, which is why I've hidden it from her for so long.

Keep smiling,

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lucid dancer · December 09, 2002, 23:51:38

Wow, Jeff you should tell her! Sharing this kind of thing with your lover could be very rewarding. Kodemaster, I also have difficulty talking with people. For the most part, I think it would be wonderful to share the information so others could practice also. I feel so selfish keeping this to myself. I bought extra copies of Astral Dynamics just so I could at least share it with my mom and sister. They are interested in all kinds of new age phenominon. I think it's been at least six months and both of them refuse to read it (although they say they want to). I've concluded that it may be a waste of time/ energy to talk to others at this point in time. They'll aproach the subject when they are ready. However, this is coming from someone who is far from being a social butterfly!

alivie · December 10, 2002, 04:15:36

I have been quite fortunate.
Most friends dismiss the experiences as dreams and I find it impossible to convince them otherwise. If it happens to them they'll know!!

My dad had a NDE about 28 years ago when I was about 1 yr old so he was quite understanding.
He heard surgeons talk about him being dead then the tunnel travel occurred.
I never beleived him (I dismissed it as a dream!) until I had an OBE then I apologised to him and told him why I now beleived him.

My wife once saw elves in the garden when on a mushroom trip so discussing OBEs with her was never a problem!!!

If people could evesdrop on some of the converstions we have at home the men in white vans with the straight-jackets would be on their way!!!

Synapse · December 10, 2002, 09:48:35

i have only told one friend about OBEs and no family members. my friend is sang so he kind of understands things more and he tells me some pretty strange sounding things too.

i wouldnt tell anyone else because they would just ignore what i say or think i am mad. as i have said before people find out about things when they are ready.

if you can tell someone though i would recomend it. talking to someone is very useful for staying motivated.

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LapSiLap · December 10, 2002, 17:33:27

I have talked about this with many of my friends. Most of them get scared =)

Zarklon · December 10, 2002, 19:20:28

Well , I personally dont care about my reputation in school so I tell as many people as I can if I think they would be interested in it.. The people who mess with me soon get the conversation to in hopes of scaring them away from me hehe. I'm a freak and love bein one so people mostly go .."ooook...I knew he was wierd" Its funny to see people not believe me but the people who I know closely are usually interested. I've so far gotten about 5 people interested in it. None try it as much as I do but I had one girl doing it for a few weeks but she couldnt stay motivated. I'm planning maybe on telling my other friends about it since I already told them about my needle/blood/dagger fetish with my girlfriend. They will really go nuts to hear about this hehe.

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amcturbo · December 11, 2002, 06:42:47

Hi Jeni,
Nice topic, thanks for bringing it up. I have had varied responses from those I have told.

First off, my wife is skeptical and open to the possibility with more proof. I have told her about various experiences, BUT not all of them, for specific reasons (astral entities would freak her out). Next, I have told my two best friends, one of which is totally intrigued by OBE's ... I even have his permission to "visit" and help him OBE as well. Then, I've briefly told my Mom and Bother-in-Law, which was well received. Lastly, I've told all the members of our church small group (young married couples) about my OBE's (again ... only told about certain ones). They were all intrigued and interested about the phenomena, asking all kinds of questions. Some were apprehensive about them, because of fear that "something" could possess your body while *Out* (a common limiting fear). Lastly, and THIS IS THE BEST, over Thanksgiving, I started reading "Projection of the Astral Body" by Sylvan Mulldoon. My wife's Uncle briefly asked me about it, mentioning that he had read some of the Castanada material. Shortly there after, my wife's Grand Pa comes in and strikes up a conversation (loves to engage in conv.) about my book, asking various questions and then "Have you had these type of experiences?" ... to which I replied, "Yes." He seemed interested. I asked him what he thinks of the OBE phenomena/experience and he had the BEST answer I've received ... "I'm rather neutral on the subject, having not yet experienced one. I can't really say either way because of that." That answer really made me smile, so I offered to loan him the book to read, to which he agreed!

Cheers!
Greg Taylor

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"Oh, I... ain't got no ... body" - David Lee Roth (Van Halen)

cainam_nazier · December 11, 2002, 08:08:22

amcturbo

That's cool. The sign of a truely open mind. It's good that they didn't automatically try and outcast you. That kind of thing sucks.

Kodemaster,

I am for the most part comfortable talking to any one who listen about my experiences. But I find few who understand, hence they want little to do with it. I talk to others in passing about stuff, and very few in great detail. What I find the most are those that have questions. Asking the obvious "Is it real?". I actually found out from one of my co-workers that she has periodic sleep paralisis. She was rather very bothered by it and thought that there was some thing wrong with her because she has never been able to talk to any one that knows about it. I was able to give her a quick fix for her problem, the simple wiggle your toes. A couple of days later she came back and said thanx because it happened again and she was able to get over her fear a little because she had a plan, and it work.
I find many people who have questions but think that they are crazy or that other people will think them so. But when they do find individuals like us who are willing to talk to them about thier experiences and perhaps even help, give advice, or explain them, they are a little more willing to talk about it.

I guess the big thing for me is that I know almost, if not every one, has had some kind of experience happen that they can not explain. I talk about these things to try and help those that seek it, even if all I do is tell them they are not alone.

David Rogalski
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auraseer · December 11, 2002, 11:58:16

Hi,
I told ONE friend about it and he laughed and started to take the... erm... mick (nice way to put it). All the others laughed and now they all think im mad

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_sad.gif" border=0>.

I tried to show them telekinesis but they kept putting me off so I couldnt do it. Then they started to laugh at me about that

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Is there anything I can tell them/show them to make them change their minds?

Cya,
auraseer.

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fredhedd · December 11, 2002, 13:15:03

i told everyone that would listen at first. i don't regret it but i still get excrement for it and that was at least six months ago. all i can do now is smile at them and think that maybe at the point of death they are coherent enough to realize that there is something more and that i wasn't lying. i've toned it down much since then but there are a few friends who seem genuinely interested. i fill them in along the way and have managed to get one of them to buy ad. you can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat.

auraseer, why not try just performing tk w/out announcing it? if you are having problems getting people to wait for you to do it or whatever, just wait till you are sitting there watching tv or playing a game or something and do it. if everything works out you shouldn't have any more problems getting their attention. i'd be very interested to know how it turns out.

auraseer · December 12, 2002, 12:44:12

Hi,
Everything is going brilliantly now!

I tought my friend how to do tk, and he can do it. He showed it to my mates and they were lost for words

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>.

Even better, I showed it to my other friend and he couldnt believe his eyes. Tommorow, he is gonna tell 'em all what I did.

Everything is great!

Cya,
auraseer.

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Everyone has limits. Learn to extend them and you will go further.

The physical body can do more than people think it can.
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jason · December 12, 2002, 12:58:44

I tried explaining it to my step-dad,and he said the ususal bovine excrement "what the hell are YOU on!?!"

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_sad.gif" border=0>line.I never tell anybody untill after I know them for awhile,and can handle it.I usually don't bother anymore.How can people be so stupid and arrogant? How can they, in all there holyness folly comprehend the true nature of reality? I try to explain that YOUR reality itself is a reflection of the limitations of your belief systems and perceptions.T he world ALWAYS conforms to your own perceptual limitations,without exception,and they are like "duh?,huh?,wha?"

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_dissapprove.gif" border=0>.thank god for everyone at astral pulse,where we can actually talk about this stuff!

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Kodemaster · December 12, 2002, 21:05:21

Hello guys!

I want to thank you all for your responses.

I haven't told too many people about my experiences. I especially don't want my parents to know, especially my Mom. She's a hardcore worrywart. Two nights ago, she must have called my brother 3 times at work wondering what time he was going to come home (he had to work late). I can just see her now telling me how "dangerous" she thinks it is, or telling me I could get possesed, not come back to my body, lose my mind...all that bad stuff we work so hard to get out of our system...

I find myself compelled to hide my internet page whenever she comes in here to talk to me, or if I leave the room. My AD book is hidden in a nice cranny in my room. As I was awaiting its arrival, I had a backup plan of telling my parents that it's a book on "dance music" in the event they see me open the package, and quickly sneak into my room so they can't see the cover (luckily I never had to do this). It's kind of funny actually...

My mom actually knows what AP is, as she had a roommate in college who did it. However, I don't get the impression she was too fond of her...she said she was "weird"...

I think it would be nice to find someone to talk about this with, as things tend to come out in conversations that don't on an internet forum (for example, someone told me that you have to be relaxed to the point that you're about to fall asleep to project. That cleared up a lot, as I thought just a light trance would do).

Unfortunately, people are narrow-minded where I live. A small city that's more like a big town...

Lucid Dancer, how did you get the text to scroll across the screen like that? Or is it just my browser messing up?

I will see you all later...

Jennnni

alivie · December 13, 2002, 04:35:25

Hi Kodemaster
Can you not tell your mum in a way that suggests it accidentally happened to you?
ie " I was on the bus and I started dozing off. After a while I found myself floating above my body. It felt great then I woke up again. I don't feel ill. What do you think happened?"

This enables you to break it to her saying it wasn't a concious attempt, get her reaction then you can decide after that if you want to say any more on the subject ie "I may buy a book on this to see if others have experienced this" etc..

If you feel its a waste of time then it may be best to accept that she wont understand.

slydeni · December 15, 2002, 14:40:40

cool topic.
You know how every now and again you have that "what weird dreams have you had" conversation with people; Or, the "have you ever seen a ghost" kinda topic. When this has come up a few times I have told evreyone there about OBE and stuff. OBE is hard - as we all know. And it takes some dedication, and motivation. Some just do not have that, or want it it seems...which is cool. But I truly believe it is freeing, and ahould be embraced by everyone. IN an unobtrusive manner...I almost feel its my responsibility to at least mention the possibilitiies of the mind to lotsa different kinda people. Mind you...I do not knock on doors and become evangelistic about it...just with friends and family...i try to tell everyone.

I do have one particular friend (actually my songwriting partner/ bandmate) who is extremely smart, but very cynical and does not believe anything that is not logical and "real."

So here is where my friends and family come in: experiments. The one in AD is great with the card: put a card up on the wall and go to the house and try to get the card. Then tell them what it was another day.My skeptical friend will allow this to occur (although feels it will not). I have not been able to do it yet...but when I do...wooh! Its gonna be a great feeling. I think these type experiments are great, not only for objective results for the skeptical friends/ family...but for us as well for extra motivation.

We are onto something beautifully spiritual, and wonderful. The limits and potential are beyond what I can begin to write. Everyone needs to know about this. Don't be shy. I think subtely bring it up whenever you can.

Does anyone agree - that this subject should be readily accessible and be at least presented to...well...everyone? I truly think everyone should at least know that this sort of stuff is not witchcraft, and some "ghost story" type experience. This is real. Its unbelievable, and its healthy. Yeah we do not wanna be obnoxious in our plight...but I think we all have a responsibility to make this known.

In fact... I think I will start a topic and see what everyone thinks.

lotsa love...
sly

Kodemaster · December 17, 2002, 17:03:14

Hey Alvie,

Thanks for the suggestion. I actually have another backup plan: If I ever get "caught" reading up on this stuff, I'll tell her it's because I'm interested in quantum physics, other dimensions, etc. (Which would not be a lie at all).

Either that, or I could tell her it's on the *group* Astral Projection, LOL...

Jen

Kodemaster · December 17, 2002, 17:11:29

quote:
Originally posted by slydeni:
cool topic.
You know how every now and again you have that "what weird dreams have you had" conversation with people; Or, the "have you ever seen a ghost" kinda topic. When this has come up a few times I have told evreyone there about OBE and stuff. OBE is hard - as we all know. And it takes some dedication, and motivation. Some just do not have that, or want it it seems...which is cool. But I truly believe it is freeing, and ahould be embraced by everyone. IN an unobtrusive manner...I almost feel its my responsibility to at least mention the possibilitiies of the mind to lotsa different kinda people. Mind you...I do not knock on doors and become evangelistic about it...just with friends and family...i try to tell everyone.

I do have one particular friend (actually my songwriting partner/ bandmate) who is extremely smart, but very cynical and does not believe anything that is not logical and "real."

So here is where my friends and family come in: experiments. The one in AD is great with the card: put a card up on the wall and go to the house and try to get the card. Then tell them what it was another day.My skeptical friend will allow this to occur (although feels it will not). I have not been able to do it yet...but when I do...wooh! Its gonna be a great feeling. I think these type experiments are great, not only for objective results for the skeptical friends/ family...but for us as well for extra motivation.

We are onto something beautifully spiritual, and wonderful. The limits and potential are beyond what I can begin to write. Everyone needs to know about this. Don't be shy. I think subtely bring it up whenever you can.

Does anyone agree - that this subject should be readily accessible and be at least presented to...well...everyone? I truly think everyone should at least know that this sort of stuff is not witchcraft, and some "ghost story" type experience. This is real. Its unbelievable, and its healthy. Yeah we do not wanna be obnoxious in our plight...but I think we all have a responsibility to make this known.

In fact... I think I will start a topic and see what everyone thinks.

lotsa love...
sly

Hey Deni,

I know what you mean about "spreading the word". I'm that way with other things...

I'm hesitant to share my OBE stuff, but at the same time, it's so exciting that I want to talk about it more.

Don't be dissappointed if the card trick doesn't work. It's very common, if not almost the norm, to have at least a few distortions in Real-time OBE's. It happened to me today, in fact. I looked at the clock on the coffeemaker to see what time it was so I could test it when I "wake up". However, the time kept changing as I looked at it. I even tried the suggestion of memorising the shape of the numbers instead of reading them and remembering what I read. It did not work.

You may be better off trying this experiment with larger objects. It seems as though the laarger they are, the less our mind will try and mess with them.

Good luck,

Jeni

Tisha · December 17, 2002, 19:08:33

Folks, it simply, simply does not matter if people believe you or not. What DOES matter is your relationships with people - - - do you respect each others beliefs even though you don't understand them or agree with them? Do you try to understand them?

My boyfriend thinks my OBEs are dreams. It used to bother me just a little. Then it occurred to me . . . why should it matter? He's never experienced it, so how could he possibly relate? What DOES matter is his respect for me. If he became disrespectful, that WOULD be a problem.

I don't put a lot of energy into "proof" anymore. I used to try, but then I'd get "out" and proof would be the last thing I cared about.

Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

Kodemaster · December 09, 2002, 19:39:06

Hello all,

I'm curious about this. How comfortable is everyone with talking about OBE with people you know? Is it something you talk about a lot, or one of those things you reserve for sites like this?

I don't know too many people who are into it, but occasionally I get into conversations about it.

I've noticed that it's a lot easier to talk about it on here than it is to talk out loud about it.

Looking forward to your replies,

Jeni

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