long term n.e.w

[Kalonek]

Your shedule is good like this. One really must adapt Bruce's recommandations to one's life. Also, you should know that the secondary centers training (joints etc) is only useful at the beginning, during the first few months. I don't do it anymore and my energy body is still developping well. After some time with NEW, the only thing you need to do is energy raising during the day and primary chakras stimulation one or 2 times a week if you want to. The secondary pathways and chakras training by direct stimulation etc without energy raising is no more useful, as the energy raising do it by itself.
My shedule, after more than 1.5 year of NEW, is about 2h of energy raising per day (sometimes more), and it works well like this, everything is going fine and my energy body is getting more and more developped.

[cesm23]

oh, thanks kalonek, at least ONE person replyed !

Hum... i am also practising psychokinesis during the day, about some 5 minutes sessions, and if you read my other post in the general methaphisics (getting illusions in pk), i THINK i am already getting results, but as everytime i got excited to get results like this, they never happen again and i start to think again it meant nothing. But i think that this practise does indirectly stimulate the third eye chakra, as i feel a lot of activity on it, even tough it's ALWAYS just physical sensations.

Another new results i got yesterday was that i THINK i am starting to see energy, but again, this migth not be what i think and maybe it's nothing related to psychic abilities : i do see yellow dots and swirling dark grey rays (more like waves) in my palms but only when it's dark and with a dark background. Tell me, is this just a illusion (example : heat waves) or i am really seeing energy ? This seems too good to be truth.

By the way, it's it supposed that the spinal bounce would at least develop a bit all the chakras ? Anyways i have a lot of trouble feeling my spine...

You said "Also, you should know that the secondary centers training (joints etc) is only useful at the beginning, during the first few months." Months ? I hoped it would be weeks... Anyways a important question : that secundary work is mainly to be done UNTIL i feel all them ? Is that the way i know until i have to do that arms and legs work ?

[cesm23]

to red dragon :

wow, thanks very much for the info in your reply!

I generally always feel directly in the forehead, a little above the eyes, but sometimes rarely it's in the back of the head at the level of between the brows. But in the last times i think i feel my head "pulsating" specially when i try to do psychokinesis but could only be a coincidence. Altough the only result i get is those illusions (mostly with the ear swab, read my post "getting illusions on pk").

IT IS signals of psychic awakening ? Oh my god, i really hope so ! Sometimes i see a kind of yellow dot FLARING (about 1-2 millimeters of diameter) and i even see a quick afterimage, all that happens with eyes open, but that kind of yellow dot falring is very rare, but only starying to happen after i started training in psionics.

About that of the swirling wave like rays, that's strange, sometimes i think i do see them EVERYWHERE. About the aura, PLEASE tell me how do i distinguish between a after image and a aura. I usually do get a lot of after images very quickly, mostly because i always used a lot the computer, also i CAN'T make my eyes perfectly still, which i think it's required to see auras, but after images is VERY easy to get them. Also i have myophia (and i use glasses) so i don't know if this could change anything about psionics, specially to see auras.

About when you say "The waves could be one of two things, depending on how they appear. It should be either like a river or stream type wave or more like a curtain waving." : i think it's heat waves, at least they are very similar to that.

Wait a minute... in the last days when i get tingling on third eye place, i think i feel the very top part of my head a bit sore... that's strange... it can only be the crown chakra blocked, isn't it ? I never had that kind of pain there...

When you say "The next time you see this waving like effect, try moving your vision, very gently and with little or no change of focus, away from your hands either towards a blank wall or the sky. The wave effect should still be there." as i already said, SOMETIMES i can see those waves EVERYWHERE, but it seems that it's only when i am focused enough, specially when i am doing energy work, i think.

When you say "I'm guessing that you're very comfortable and mellow in the dark, which is why this appears to you then. I like to do this on a bright, clear sunny day against a blue sky, the effects are a bit more spectacular" i do live in a appartment in city, it's very difficult to see the sky, from where i live. But as soon as i can i will try, mostly on the street.

Also i think i am having more psychic dreams than before. Again it can only be a coincidence as i also had them much before i start training, but usually it's about doing the psychic abilities that i want most, mostly levitating objects in the air. That's funny, sometimes in the dreams i try to figure out why i can do them so easely there. Also lucid dreams are still very rare, but i do have a good dream recall even without never having a dream diary and my dreams are ALWAYS very vivid. I think this indicates some kind of good developing of third eye chakra, no ? Also about almost every days i have hypnagogic imagery, and sometimes even see what i visualize but that is VERY VERY rare and only happened 2 times some weeks ago, and didn't happen again.

To finish : sometimes when i try to sleep at nigh, i seem to have some "shocks". It's mostly similar to when in a hospital they try to reanimate a person with shocks in the heart and they "jump", that seems to happen to me sometimes, i suddently "jump" in bed and have a kind of shock, but isn't painfull. Some days ago it was in the heart area, and even more days ago, i think it was in the upper part of body including head.

That's all. Bye !!

[volcomstone]

that was a GREAT post, red-dragon

ever hear of siddha?

[cesm23]

well, right now i will do a quick reply, and then i reply all that, but i will avoid to write much, i will ONLY write the minimum possible, ok ? So please don't be upset if i write so much, but after what you said, please don't stop replying, ok ? I will try to not write much next time.

oh, ok so it's too early to practise psychokinesis, ein ? Well i must confess that i want remote view much more than psychokinesis, then please CONFIRM me this : at my current development stage should i kind of "replace" my practise of psychokinesis with practise of remote viewing ? (please read my training about that in the next lines) For example, for training remote view i do the following :

3 daily sessions of 10 minutes, with eyes closed, trying to see/make shapes from the lights i migth see with eyes closed (and without external light, just staring at the darkness of closed eyelids), or visualize very simple shapes. According to what i readed on a website about learning clairvoyance (which i think it's the same as remote view) this "teach" us and make the brain to try to see with the mind and not with the eyes, for visualization, and of course it would take some weeks to "rewrite" the brain, these are words from the website. So, is this kind of training also good to me start doing ? Indeed when i do this training i don't feel "pain" on crown chakra, but i do feel some pressure and tingling on third eye chakra (also my forehead gets a little sore, just in the place of third eye chakra) and strangely it's stronger then when i practise psychokinesis.

If not even that kind of remote view training is safe for me to do, PLEASE tell me what should i train at the moment ? NOTHING ?! Or should i do ONLY n.e.w. ? Until when, until i feel whell my arms and legs without energy blockages ?

BY THE WAY practising psychokinesis with hands near is also "dangerous" according to my degree of development ? It's because i DO GET results, i can make the psywheel spin clockwise with left hand, and counter-clockwise with right hand, should i quit also this training at the moment ?

Now to finish : about that story, i haven't readed it right now (remember, this is just a quick reply), but i KNOW what kind of dangers that is. It's about premature kundalini arousals, right ? Well, i readed a lot of REAL storys (at least i think they are real and not fiction) like that on the website : http://www.kundalini.se/eng/engkni.html please tell me it's that kind of dangers you are talking about ?

[volcomstone]

I can usually tell from first glance the kind of people who are "receptive" or at least "enlightened" to many of these esoteric ideas

as for healing, i usuall feel a "thickness" or even sharp pains or feelings of dizziness when I find an energy blockage in other people.

that eleventh dimension abstract looks very much like a "tag" or "graffiti"

have you read the writing on the wall?

I played around with crystals and other shamanistic things, but realized that they are only "fetishes" or "tools" for you to open a direct link to yourself, Im more interested in searching my insides and rearanging my internal, than messing around with celestial alignments, daggars, quartz, shards or feathers.

but crystals ARE very strong metaphysical tools, and I don't think I'll ever stop using them, plus they're cool lookin

[SJones]

Please explain this story Red Dragon [:I]

[cesm23]

hum... as now i have 2 replys of you to reply, i will not talk about kundalini, as you write so much about that, and besides, that's a very complicated stuff to discuss now, at least for me, and i don't want to make this reply even longer !!

PLEASE forgive me if i continue bothering you with such huge replys, but until this subject is finished, i hope you don't mind to continue replying, but now that this is started, if we quit, i may do more mistakes, specially if they are serious like this one of the crown chakra.

You see i am NOT interested in FULL PK powers or even about levitating or teleporting, at the moment !! At the moment I JUST want MINOR psychic abililites to start with, my problem is that i need some kind of garantee that the training i am doing is really doing working or if i am wasting my time because training too few, that's why, ACCORDING to what you say, i see that i go a little too hard, but i do that because i am afraid of not training enough and this taking many months just to be able to MINOR pk effects or remote view. Understood ? Please, i ALREADY know that danger of kundalini and the search of a quick way and safe way, but i just want to at least start having AT LEAST very weak psychic abilties, because i don't get results i get more desesperated and thinkind i am not training enough, i train even more, ok ? Don't tell me i need a kundalini arousal to have psychic abilities or minor pk effects ?!

Besides HOW do you know that PK is a skill of the 7th chakra ? I am NOT doubting of you, i just want to know how you know that, I NEVER read that anywhere, and the very few places i read, is that PK is associated with the 6th chakra, the brow chakra. But now that you said that it's a abliity of the 7th chakra i got really scared and stopped immediatly practising PK until i readed your last reply to me. Even tough i mostly concentrated on the third eye chakra when practising pk because i believed it was a ability of the brow chakra.

Now, i will reply your post in 12 may 2004 02:43:33, please comment only in places you see necessary or have something to advice in favour or against, ok ?

Hum... i am glad i am getting sensations in the normal places. But note that i feel much more sensations on the forehead than in the back of head.

About your question : "Have you ever felt a (painless), sewing like sensation between these two areas, the back of the head and the forehead, starting from the back of the head? " i reply : it's very difficult to reply this. I have difficulty in knowing and avaliation the sensations i have in the head, so i can't reply this, specially when i can't distinguish between a headache induced from energy or chakra work from a headache caused by changing sleep times.

Now about your paragraph which start with "I would not recommend even trying PK at your stage of development.", first i have a few questions about this :

1. There is many people in this forum and specially at psipog that are practising Pk and i don't think they "triggered the full crown chakra ability prematurely and suddenly", they are having results and nothing bad happened to them ! (at least considering they would have posted what happened in the forum) What is this, that means all they are very superior to me spiritually and that they are "gods" ready for siddhis ?! Does that mean that if they can do Pk it's because they have awakened kundalini ? Anyways i will not ignore your advices and work a little less but i am just afraid of this taking much more time if i train too few, and it's mostly now i need more, the psychic abilities not when i have 50 years! (note : one of the two main goals of me wanting psychic abilities is about using them as hobbies, as i HATE EVERYTHING other persons like to do for free times, i just like television and computer, and when i don't have that i am bored to death, and this depressess me a lot. And i won't even image when i get a job and have days in which i have nothing to do, it's like a prison, same in school...)

2. Doesn't opening the brow chakra before opening all the lower ones since the root chakra have the same kind of DANGER that opening the 7th chakra before the brow chakra is opened ?!

3. PLEASE can you tell me if with my stage of development it's safe to try to open my brow chakra (and throat chakra) ? Or if the symptons i have INDICATE that it's safe ?

Now about the flaring of dots :

It's really difficult to descrive the kind of flaring, as it's so fast and VERY TINY that i can't notice such lind of details as "round or like looking through a round hole". Anyways it continues to be ONLY yellow, and it's NOT only when using the computer, it happens in any place, but it continues to be very rare.

When you say "The next will be when it appears to have small silvery-white stars or points of light "shimmering" within it and finally golden lights or stars. Then, go ahead and open up the crown chakra by trying PK effects." :

Yes, these things seem to happen now more frequently, i mean, the waves, i do see them more often, and sometimes i can see yellow dots moving everywhere fast in a wavy pattern and in the last times they almost seem like little snakes "dancing" and they look more like blue instead of yellow. This only happens when i look at a spot without thinking in nothing, and in brigth background i see it better. Anyways this doesn't seem like stars, but they do look like points of ligth "shimmering".
Altough i don't seem to have improved in remote view, the best thing i can do is seeing (with the eyes) a very weak shadow of a shape that i visualize, but unfortunately it's seldom to have hypnagogic imagery at all, and this makes me think a bit that i am not training enough... (indeed i only practise remote view at night when trying to sleep, as during the day spending 10 minutes with eyes closed is very boring specially if i don't get results...)

Now about seeing auras : NO, when i said "i always used a lot the computer" i meant that my eyes are more sensitive to light because i use the computer A LOT since many years ago (since i was a child) and i always spend several hours per day, but i don't have headaches or eye strain as i am already used to using the computer a long time ago, maybe it's because that i do see afterimages so quickly even in a day that i don't use the computer.

Please don't forget this question : first, go to the link http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/health_/seeau.htm, and search the images with the two circles. Please notice what they say there :

."This exercise aims to stimulate the communication between both hemispheres of the brain, thereby increasing the "processing power" needed to see Auras."
."This exercise turns out to be extremely beneficial: 5 minutes of it doubles your bioenergy and promotes self healing."

What have you say about this, does that mean any kind of psychic development or brow chakra development ?

When i try that exercice, i can already cross my views without the finger, the problem is that the red circle (figure 2) always appears half-way above the blue circle when i have my views crossed, they say that is normal in males, but if that is normal, is it SAFE to FORCE to see the two circles at the same level ? I mean, if all males and females have that difference it would do any harm if i try to "equilibrate" both sides of the brain that way ?

Now about your comment about the pain on my crown chakra :

WHAT ?! That thing of the top part of my head being sore is dangerous ? It's a signal to slow down? Hum... but i am not really sure this is caused by energy work. I do get it sometimes even when working ONLY at the brow center, and also many times WITHOUT doing any energy work at all ! Besides when i practised pk i only felt activity in the brow center not in the crown, but curiously now that i know it's a ability of the crown chakra i do get tingling in crown chakra also even without thinking on that...

But after all you seem to be right, now that i only practise pk once a day about 5-10 minutes i think i am not getting the crown chakra pain anymore.

When you say " you're only 23, you don't have to finish this tomorrow – I'm 50 and I started 25 years ago, my latest vision quest (with 2 other shamans) is now in its 10th year" I KNOW that but don't tell me i can only HAVE psychic abilities in 50 years ?! I need them NOW, even i start with them very weak, but at least i would have SOMETHING to be motivated to train slowly and develop naturally, of course i am not interested in having them full power immediatly, i know that is dangerous (and almost impossible), but i want at least be able to move the psywheel or move VERY little things in short term, or do i have to wait all those years to develop low level pk ?!

WAIT A MINUTE ! When you say "No. You're a regular human being, or at least showing some potential." about me saying that my dreams are always vivid might indicate a good developing of brow chakra :

Does this mean Robert Bruce is WRONG ? He said in his aura book : "Your dreams should also increase in frequency and become much more vivid, with more lucid dreams etc.  This is another sign of your brow centre developing." so that means it's NOT true ? Well, i have asked that to you just to me be sure, but i do see a contradition here, who is right ?

What name do you give to hypnagogic imagery ? Sincerly i don't know which other name can i use to this, specially considering that english isn't my native language. Oh wait, image streaming ?

Now, about the "shocks" : well, i don't think that is the cause. I only started energy work and psychic training about a year ago, and before that i was COMPLETLY skeptic, and didn't even knew that psychic abilities even existed ! (i always tought it was fantasy from movies and cartoons in all my life), but i do have these shocks since many years ago. Is there any other cause for these "shocks" ?

NOW about your last post (in 15 may 2004 16:19:01) :

Wow i am much more relived now, after all i don't have to stop practising pk ? It's because in EVERY websites about pk they recommend training for 20 minutes and i do only 5 minutes... and if they are having results and i am not... that can only mean i am not training enough, or does EVERYBODY else is much better than me ?! Sorry about telling this, but sometimes i get really desesperated of many people having sucess in pk even at the first try and i can't do NOTHING. Not even a psiball, but the most strange of all is that n.e.w. have more or less good results on me, even tough i ONLY get physical sensations. Or then EVERYBODY here is a natural...

Ok, then now i will practise pk and remote view, by the way i think that while practising pk i am also practising aura vision, mostly because i stare at the object a long time.

Also i am practising about 5 minutes that exercice of crossing the eyes to see the cross in the circles, and sometimes i almost get it... But i have to lean my head to the left to see the circles equilibrated, does this "hinder" my development and should it focus on forcing to see the circles equilibrated without leaning my head ?

When you say "Sounds Ok. This throbbing should go away, its just the frontal lobes getting" wait a minute, this is not like throbbing. When i said sore, it's mostly when we have sore limbs, from when we do exercice after a long time of not doing it. Only it's directly in the place of brow chakra, i don't think it's strong enough to be throbbing, it's a minor pain, it doesn't look like a headache at all, and when i press my finger there it hurts a little. But indeed it can be the frontal lobes getting used to the sensations, after all nothing physical has hit my forehead so there is not other normal explanation for being sore in there ! Also i do feel this specially when practising remote view even if i don't get results (which for me is a bit strange). Also it's very rare to have a headache. I just have headaches when i change sleeping times.

About your paragraph "I'd stay at the low PK level you're at for the moment." :

Do you consider practising pk with hands near as high pk level ? Then what do you consider as low level pk ? Trying to move a grain of sand ? Anyways of course i will only practise low level pk, i didn't even think about high level pk as i know that takes a long time. That's strange, i do see already dots and even snake waving lights but i don't have any progress on remote view and much less AP.

Now, a big question : does remote view is enough to develop the brow chakra? Can i skip practising AP ? It's because i am overweight and i can't NEVER fully relax my body at 100%. I already tryed every position but i am NEVER confortable. Even at night i have to roll over each 5 minutes... I would really like to practise AP but i can't because of that. Can this be learned without having the body 100% relaxed ?

As i said, i will skip the kundalini part of your reply, if not this is becoming too long, more than it's already.

My FINAL question today : is it true that to open the third eye chakra it's necessary to not have problems with bad karma ? A person that haved a (premature) kundalini arousal told me that, is that true ? I generally have good karma, but many things i do not know if they are good or bad karma, should i really have to worry about karma when working on chakras, specially the brow chakra ?! Kind of, if we have bad karma, that thing of premature kundalini arousal happens easier ?

[alpine9]

Hi red dragon,

 I was woundering which chakra is used for teleportation?

[cesm23]

to red-dragon :

please, can we talk elsewhere ? For example, by email ? I think it's more important that i ask you advice for a much more serious problem that i have, and it's much more important that just developing psychic abilities. Please, can we talk by email ? If yes, tell me your email. About psychic abilities i think it's better not continue, as i think i will quit all this, it's way too much complicated and it will take FOREVER to develop any kind of psychic abilities, but to quit that i have to solve a big problem i have and for that i have to email you as i wouldn't like to talk about it in a public forum. Ok ? Please...

[alpine9]

Is there a certain organ in the brain that is activated when a person has a permanent shift into enlightenment?

[alpine9]

thank you for your reply red dragon,

 I am a little confused about which chakra you refer to as the brow and crown because in your previous post you said that the brow is actually the crown and vice versa. So, in the post you responded to my question i'll asume that when you say brow that you mean the 6th chakra the one between the eyebrows.

 I'm going to say self realization (SR) instead of the word enligthenment because there is to many defferent meanings.

[cesm23]

hey Red Dragon, the email you indicated to me, doesn't work ! It gaved the following error when i emailed you : "This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed." As after i received the error, i checked if i writed well the email, and it's the same, i wrote it right and still doesn't work. Have your email account full ? Or another email account ?

[Tombo]

quote:Originally posted by Red Dragon

Yes, ultimately the pineal gland. Check my posts in my profile. I've outlined the critical organs involved, shown pictures, art, etc. The 4 highest crystalline organs in the brain are the central cortex(4), cerebellum(3), the pituitary(2) and pineal(1).

The body of the pineal corresponds to the crown chakra. The cerebellum and pituitary along with the vibrating finger portion (or dome) of the pineal correspond to the brow chakra.

Ermm.. What does you make sure that the pineal gland is related to the enlightment process (From what source do you have that info?)? And since there are different stages of enlightment, to which one are you refering to?

[alpine9]

Red dragon,

 There is a topic in this forum that is called "kundalini and enlightenment." It talks about enlightenment  with using buddist meditation alone, or with the use of kundalini. The thing they where trying to figure out was what is the differance between the two, and is kundalini actually nesasary for enlightenment.

[narfellus]

Red- you are a smart sonofabitch.

[Tombo]

quote:Originally posted by Red Dragon

quote:Originally posted by tombodenmann
Ermm.. What does you make sure that the pineal gland is related to the enlightment process (From what source do you have that info?)? And since there are different stages of enlightment, to which one are you refering to?

Because I'm enlightened you dolt, that's how I know! Read my posts, I've looked inside my head while this was happening, that's how I know. Its also supported by the literature.

Crap, there's only one enlightenment, you may progress through stages of awareness. Ultimate enlightenment, if you prefer, starts when all of one's crystalline pineal gland is electrically, biochemically activated. "Higher level" abilities are developed useing the pineal alone or in conjunction, synchronicity with the brain's other crystalline structures.

Enlightenment does not entail being Hollywood's conception of "Yoda". Get over it. Some of us are crude, lewd and rude, especially when dealing with monkeys that want enlightenment served to them on a plate and can't be bothered to read post threads or use search engines. If it was served to you "on a plate", so to speak, you'd probably explode. Want some?[}:)]

Have fun![]

Red Dragon
Raven shaman [8D]

Hmmmmm, from your post I can pretty surely conclude that you are not completly enlighted, at least not if one uses the word in a buddhistic sense. An enlighted beeing in Buddhism is certainly not lewd, in fact it does not know negative feelings anymore, complete happiness is it's trademark (According to the Buddha)

The Buddha himself says that there are different stages of enlightment, these stages are very clearly described in his writtings. I suggest you do some reading before tring to insulting me.
I also don't understand what you are talking about when you say "seving enlightment on a plate" Did I, in any way, ask you to serve me something?
I don't doubt that you aroused Kundalini but that does not mean you are enlighted! In fact it is a common pitfall to enlightemt that peoble get arrogant and cocky when developing spiritually. I dont wanna offend you (Here's an other test if you feel offended, you are definitly not enlighted[])
But please think twice before you state that you are enligthed!

All the best Tom

[Tombo]

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[alpine9]

Hey red dragon,

 Yesterday I was looking at a picture of a beach from my calander.

Thought to myself "I would love to be there right now". After while the picture started to look more real as if it was becoming alive. Then I stared to tell myself that this is real and that th pictre was alive, then it started to look more alive, and I began to belive it was some place existing right now. Then it started to feel like I was being suked in.

Kinda psychotic huh.[]

[narfellus]

Red Dragon, did you know that your avatar is from the 1988 2nd edition cover of the Dungeons and Dragons Dungeons Masters Guide? I would know because i've played it for years on and off. Seems sort of appropriate for you, since it is the book reserved for game masters and secret holders...

[cesm23]

ok, this time i will try to make the smallest post possible :

i don't know if anyone here knows the answer to this, but if knows, please answer :

Instead of following in full detail N.E.W., i came up with a more simple version of n.e.w., to do daily, as the normal one seems very long to do, specially both arm and leg work in the same day, as i take about 2 hours to do each and that's a lot of time, so this is my method :

Every night, 2 hours before sleep i do the following n.e.w. training :

1. I do brushing back and forth in both sides of each arm (inner and outer arm) during 30 seconds.
2. I do the same in legs, but in 4 sides according to N.e.w.
3. Then i do a brushing action in the outer and inner part of each joint in arms and legs (example : knee, elbow, etc) and finish with a wrapping action, each 30 seconds.
4. I do a spinal bounce for some minutes as bruce recomended
5. I do mounth work
6. I do nose work.

Now i just want a opinion, if this is going to provide less or MUCH LESS training to energy body than doing n.e.w. as it's said. Is this enough or like this the development could be delayed much more time than it's normal ?