Did atlantis exist?

[Sygmoral]

Atlantis may have been in southern Spain.

BBC News Article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3766863.stm

Sygmoral

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by narfellus

How would one find "A Dweller on Two Planets"?

I have a couple of copies. I got them in used book stores in the "New Age" or "Spiritual" areas.

It's one of the most interesting books I've ever read. The first time I picked it up I couldn't put it down. Literally. I read the whole thing without stopping. Stayed up all night.

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman

Did Leadbeater write anything on Atlantis? If he did, that would make me more inclined to believe that Atlantis existed, because I think he was one of the brighest and most reliable clairvoyants ever.
I think he's far more reliable than Cayce.

But Lemuria can't be true. A lost country in the pacific ocean 50 000 years ago? That's far too long ago and there's no geological evidence for that. There could maybe be a civilization in the pacific, but it can't be as old as that.

Have you read "The Lives of Alcyone"? It's an immense, highly informative two volume account of the 20 most influential lives of the soul of Krishnamurti. There are detailed (really!) accounts of his lives in fairly advanced civilizations going back to as far as  100,000 years ago.

It's by far the most breathtaking and revealing akashic readings that I've ever encountered. I believe that Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater tag-teamed the thing and that it still probably took them a fairly long time to pull together.

I've only read the first of two volumes and there is only minimal references made or descriptions of Atlantis. But that is possibly because the first volume covers mostly his lives lived in earlier epochs.

They speak candidly about their methods of accessing the data, finding the important stuff, fixing dates and practical things like that. And for fixing dates, they say that they have established monumental milestones such as the various partial sinkings of Atlantis by actually counting the years while figuratively rewinding the timeline visually--a rather mind numbing and time consuming task. From those mile-markers they are able to navigate to events and fix dates with complete accuracy.

Now I really want to read the second volume...

[DrShaman]

I have read "the mental plane", "the astral plane" but not "The Lives of Alcyone". It's interesting that Leadbeater was into things like that.

I still find stories of 100 000 year old cilizations hard to believe, since it goes against what science has shown. It's similar to the creationists, who take the bibles creation stories literally, even if's against scientific evidence. The most recent genetic DNA research says that every human being alive today has its origin from
people who moved out of Africa about 100 000 years ago. And the arceological research has shown that these people were on a very basic level, like very basic stone age.

Krishnamurti was a spirit that Leadbeater channeled, right? Often these spirits can make up a lot of fantastic stories that are not necessarily true.

quote:Originally posted by boydster

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman

Did Leadbeater write anything on Atlantis? If he did, that would make me more inclined to believe that Atlantis existed, because I think he was one of the brighest and most reliable clairvoyants ever.
I think he's far more reliable than Cayce.

But Lemuria can't be true. A lost country in the pacific ocean 50 000 years ago? That's far too long ago and there's no geological evidence for that. There could maybe be a civilization in the pacific, but it can't be as old as that.

Have you read "The Lives of Alcyone"? It's an immense, highly informative two volume account of the 20 most influential lives of the soul of Krishnamurti. There are detailed (really!) accounts of his lives in fairly advanced civilizations going back to as far as  100,000 years ago.

It's by far the most breathtaking and revealing akashic readings that I've ever encountered. I believe that Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater tag-teamed the thing and that it still probably took them a fairly long time to pull together.

I've only read the first of two volumes and there is only minimal references made or descriptions of Atlantis. But that is possibly because the first volume covers mostly his lives lived in earlier epochs.

They speak candidly about their methods of accessing the data, finding the important stuff, fixing dates and practical things like that. And for fixing dates, they say that they have established monumental milestones such as the various partial sinkings of Atlantis by actually counting the years while figuratively rewinding the timeline visually--a rather mind numbing and time consuming task. From those mile-markers they are able to navigate to events and fix dates with complete accuracy.

Now I really want to read the second volume...

[narfellus]

Red Dragon my friend, you are tripping me out. [] Thank you! Now tell me, where do you find this information so readily, and why don't we hear more about it? And does the Akashic Record extend back 200 million years, or more? Surely there must be a picture somewhere of this advanced relief map, i would like to see it.

[narfellus]

I love the idea of lost, advanced civilizations. This planet is so friggin old there's no reason such could not have existed, especially if they were visiting or brought here by visitors. And did their technology wipe them out, or did natural disaster? Who knows? Our own culture is on the brink of doing the same thing? We have the raw nuclear power to blow the Earth up dozens of times, and enough pollution to kill everything in land and sea. To top it off, most people are spiritually void without an inkling of what God is.

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman
Krishnamurti was a spirit that Leadbeater channeled, right? Often these spirits can make up a lot of fantastic stories that are not necessarily true.

No--I haven't heard of any channeling that Leadbeater did. He wrote and spoke from his own higher consciousness.

And when he was recording ancient historical events he read them directly from the Akashic records. He was probably one of the most highly developed clairvoyants of our modern times.

Krishnamurti was an Indian boy who Leadbeater and other elders of the movement found and helped train because they could see the maturity and advancement of his soul. He went on to eventually lead the Theosophical organization as its president.

This is what I've heard. I'm not in the Theosophical movement myself so this could be a little sketchy.

[BlackBox]

One of the best circles on the net in the subject of Atlantis is:
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Atlantis&number=1&DaysPrune=30&LastLogin=

It's pretty possible that southern Spain is part of the Atlantean geography, but so is Crete in my opinion. The thing is, if you consider the size of the Atlantean empire, the Rama Empire, Osirians and god knows how many other nations, cities would be spread out throughout the entire globe, with most either buried within dirt or water. So any claims on where specifically Atlantis is, would be equivalent to people from our future finding remnants of American culture in Alaska and Hawaii and both claiming they are correct and negating the other...

Disjecta membra!

[ImmuredSoul]

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Originally posted by ImmuredSoul

Actually, there has been a worldwide flood . . . If you notice, some animals have been found in different parts of the world, where they don't even belong. Coincidence, kiss my ***.

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Actually theres been a theory of a super continent called pangea. Where all the Land Mass used to be one great contient then separated.

Hmm, anybody here know what the size of atlantis was? I was reading a site about it, and there was some interesting stuff on there. Anyway, here's a possiblity: Atlantis was Pangea, only it was really called Atlantis, and then it split apart . . . *shrugs* I haven't a clue, but perhaps . . .

[BlackBox]

I know that the Osirians existed in the Antarctica regions, if that narrows down the rest of the continents.

Do your pangea thoughts allow the pole-shift events? Several perhaps? If they do, it really doesn't matter because the areas that were dry, went wet, and so on for god knows how many shifts.

[DrShaman]

Red Dragon: I don't think Pravda, the old Sovjet news agency, is a reliable source.

[DrShaman]

It seems that the information comes from a reliable source, but I think that it is
impossible that there have been lots of civilizations tens of thousands years old.
In that case, they would have left more trace. Why have archeologists found so
much stone age stuff but so little from these 50 000 year or more old civilizations?

quote:Originally posted by boydster

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman
Krishnamurti was a spirit that Leadbeater channeled, right? Often these spirits can make up a lot of fantastic stories that are not necessarily true.

No--I haven't heard of any channeling that Leadbeater did. He wrote and spoke from his own higher consciousness.

And when he was recording ancient historical events he read them directly from the Akashic records. He was probably one of the most highly developed clairvoyants of our modern times.

Krishnamurti was an Indian boy who Leadbeater and other elders of the movement found and helped train because they could see the maturity and advancement of his soul. He went on to eventually lead the Theosophical organization as its president.

This is what I've heard. I'm not in the Theosophical movement myself so this could be a little sketchy.

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman

It seems that the information comes from a reliable source, but I think that it is
impossible that there have been lots of civilizations tens of thousands years old.
In that case, they would have left more trace. Why have archeologists found so
much stone age stuff but so little from these 50 000 year or more old civilizations?

Well, I don't think that archeologists have found all that much human stuff. How many dinosaurs lived out their lives during the millions(!) of years that they roamed the earth? Relative to this very, very large number, we've found only a small bit of remains. My personal view is that archeological research extrapolates far too much from the meager amount of info they have from fossils.

The other very important point I'd make is that all the major ancient civilizations were destroyed, often by violent natural disasters--not just the victims of crumbling and age. Lemuria first burned terribly by volcanic erruptions then sank into the ocean. Atlantis sank suddenly and violently very deep into the ocean. And this didn't happen all at once, it happened in stages, the mass of the continent shrinking with each bite. It's not that hard to imagine things getting pretty ground up and buried in such violent tectonic activity.

The following is a series of maps that were draw by clairvoyant researchers in the Theosophical Society. The info here agrees with a number of other sources that I'm familiar with. I'm sorry for the size but I think it will prove interesting to this discussion. The white outlines are the present day continents for reference sake. The dark outlines are the continental configurations of the indicated epochs:

[DrShaman]

It has been proved that the process of plate tectonics determine
how continens move. Through studying this process, scientists can go back through history and make maps of how the earth looked like at a certain time. These maps are not similar in any way to these maps made by the theosophical society.

So even if there were a lot of very bright people in the theosophical society, they couldn't have got it right with this information on how the earth looked because  
it contradicts scientific evidence.

[narfellus]

I've been reading a book called "Don't Think Like a Human," channeleld answers from a being called The Kryon, the Earth's Magnetic Technician (that's what he says!) Anyway, one chapter addresses Atlantis and Lemuria and explains who and what and why they were destroyed.

To make a long story short, it is Kryon's job to oversee Earth's magnetism and poles and polarity. It has been adjusted 4 times so far, the fourth is the last time in the new millenium. The ancient Atlanteans, because of a weak SECOND field, had a very very thin boundary between earthly life and the veil of Spirit. This meant that were able to develop very powerful abilities of spiritual technology and intelligence, but they didnt' know WHY. It created a society of slavery and superscience, with only the elite in the know. So, Kryon and the others adjusted the grid, destroyed Atlantis, let the crust cover it, and then reseeded. The new grid was stronger, harder to see through, and mankind had to work much much harder to understand God and their higher selves. This last grid change, the last one Earth will know, has made it easier for the exchange of energy. This is the New Age, and the coming of a spiritual revolution for Mankind.

Personally, it is one of the most fascinating books i've ever read. The answers are warm, detailed, simple (mostly) and relate to questions that haunt everyone.

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman

It has been proved that the process of plate tectonics determine
how continens move. Through studying this process, scientists can go back through history and make maps of how the earth looked like at a certain time. These maps are not similar in any way to these maps made by the theosophical society.

So even if there were a lot of very bright people in the theosophical society, they couldn't have got it right with this information on how the earth looked because  
it contradicts scientific evidence.

It seems like every few years they find new evidence and come up with a new big theory which contradicts the old theory.

All they (archeologists and geologists) have is theories and extrapolations of meager evidence. I realize that psychics can't prove anything they do either. We all choose what we want to believe.

[DrShaman]

The theory of plate tectonics has been proven and accepted in science since the 70's. There are a lot of evidence behind it. If we don't believe things that have been proved by scientific methods, we can't believe in any science at all, and that brings us back to the dark ages. If you check up on plate tectonics , you'll find that all modern geologists support it.

quote:Originally posted by boydster

quote:Originally posted by DrShaman

It has been proved that the process of plate tectonics determine
how continens move. Through studying this process, scientists can go back through history and make maps of how the earth looked like at a certain time. These maps are not similar in any way to these maps made by the theosophical society.

So even if there were a lot of very bright people in the theosophical society, they couldn't have got it right with this information on how the earth looked because  
it contradicts scientific evidence.

It seems like every few years they find new evidence and come up with a new big theory which contradicts the old theory.

All they (archeologists and geologists) have is theories and extrapolations of meager evidence. I realize that psychics can't prove anything they do either. We all choose what we want to believe.

[DrShaman]

You can check out

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/geology/tectonics.html

if you want to know more about plate tectonics. There are also animations of how the earth looked liked millions of years ago.

[Mick]

A recent story regarding a possible source of the Atlantis story, the date period is somewhat less, a factor of ten I think but it has been suggested before that there could have been a date error when translating the original account.

Satellite images 'show Atlantis'

By Paul Rincon
BBC News Online science staff  

A scientist says he may have found remains of the lost city of Atlantis. Satellite photos of southern Spain reveal features on the ground appearing to match descriptions made by Greek scholar Plato of the fabled utopia.

Dr Rainer Kuehne thinks the "island" of Atlantis simply referred to a region of the southern Spanish coast destroyed by a flood between 800 BC and 500 BC

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3766863.stm for the full story.

[narfellus]

well, it's all conjecture pretty much, but i read that Atlantis was actually at its prime before the last ice age, about 35,000 years ago. I don't think anyone has conclusively found what is left of it yet, and if it WERE that long ago, water and sand and rock would have long ago buried it and its secrets. Still, what do i know? I wish someone would find the damn place so we quit wondering about it!

[narfellus]

by the way boydster, the map you posted of Atlantis above is the EXACT shape of the map in A Dweller on Two Planets, a book i'm reading that is supposedly about a channeled account of a man that lived during the era of Atlantis. He contacted a human about, oh, sixty or seventy years ago and told him this story, which reads very cleanly in prose format. But the map in the preface is identical to the continent between america and europe.

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by narfellus

by the way boydster, the map you posted of Atlantis above is the EXACT shape of the map in A Dweller on Two Planets, a book i'm reading that is supposedly about a channeled account of a man that lived during the era of Atlantis. He contacted a human about, oh, sixty or seventy years ago and told him this story, which reads very cleanly in prose format. But the map in the preface is identical to the continent between america and europe.

I've read "A Dweller on Two Planets" about 8 times....it's an amazing book.

Kind of interesting....the map you refer to was hand drawn by Phylos young scribe at his direction, while the progressive time maps I posted above were made by talented psychics within the Theosophical organization--different people who had no discourse and done at different times. Couple that with the enormous amount of data that Cayce released and you've got quite a bit of corroboration.

Also, an enormous amount of hypnotic regression conducted in the 20th century has yielded countless, (recorded) detailed memories of lives lived there. It feels a bit odd to be even debating the issue.

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by narfellus

well, it's all conjecture pretty much, but i read that Atlantis was actually at its prime before the last ice age, about 35,000 years ago. I don't think anyone has conclusively found what is left of it yet, and if it WERE that long ago, water and sand and rock would have long ago buried it and its secrets. Still, what do i know? I wish someone would find the damn place so we quit wondering about it!

Narfellus,

It's probably hard to decide when the prime of Atlantis was. That civilization lasted for over 50,000 years in one form or another. It would rise, thrive, engage in war, fall into darkness again and start all over. Plus, their continent suffered 2 catastophic losses of land mass before the final sinking. They had some ups and downs, to say the least.

Spiritually they were an interesting race. The older the race became, the more integrated became science and religion/spirituality. It all eventually blended together under the banner of "knowledge". Something for us to strive for in my opinion.

I find your other story about the magnetic poles shifting also interesting. I believe the poles have shifted numerous times in the past. Amazingly, some scientists are beginning to believe that this is possible. I saw a science special on PBS TV years ago where they used this theory to explain the existence of tropical plants and animals found quick frozen under ice sheets in Siberia.

[narfellus]

quote:an enormous amount of hypnotic regression conducted in the 20th century has yielded countless, (recorded) detailed memories of lives lived there. It feels a bit odd to be even debating the issue.

Yes, there is TONS of evidence that Atlantis existed, but little physical. It's amazing that naysayers can even deny it's existense, for it has been such an integral part of human history and myth for so long, there must be some validity.

I haven't finished Dweller yet but it is quite fascinating.

You would be very interested in the Kryon's books, an angel of magnetic service. He has never been in lesson on earth, but the information he imparts is fantastic. I have to tell you about the Temple of Rejuvenation.




I scanned this from the book. Kryon spends a whole chapter describing in detail the essence of Atlantean healing processes, how the knowledge was gained and utilized and ultimately lost. Basically, it all uses polarity and electromagnetism. All organs of the body have individual polarity, and through group effort, a priest or priestess (the person with the highest energy that day) and the willingess and intent of the PATIENT to be healed (it is a conscious and painless group effort) they would enter this temple for 3 days and expand their lives well beyond the norm.

Each of the "legs" served as an entry or exit point for patient or priests, very formal because, as Kryon explains, Spirit likes official procedure and ritual. Repitition breeds remembrance, an imprint on the subconscious.

Our scientists know A LOT about electromagnetism, but not enough. They don't know how to utilize the healing aspects of it yet. It is still an esoteric "new age" concept that lacks validity.

As i mentioned before, the most interesting part of the Atlantis chapter (to me anyway) was Kryon's story of WHY they were destroyed, and it is very very relevant to our modern spiritual growth and reincarnation.

The veil was very weak in Atlantis. Instead of searching for enlightenment, they were practically HANDED it. This did not serve their lesson on earth, as this is the planet of Free Choice, and the divine host was very excited to be part of that as we were the first. They let Atlantis exist a long long time with the veil as it was in hopes of self correction (oh, 50,000 years or so maybe) but it never did. It got worse, they grew powerful alongside arrogant, with superscience and slavery hand in hand. They had great abilities and knowledge but little appreciation for how it was obtained.

So kryon and the others adjusted the grid, finally destroying the continent and setting up the Veil so that we, as humans, would have little to no knowledge of our divinity. They wanted to avoid this as such destruction would set in place extreme karma, but it had to be done. Such karmna is still being played out to this day.

Fear of enlightenment (as i learned)is one such holdover from Atlantis. They felt as if they were PUNISHED for learning or knowing too much. Today, it is not the same. We have through group planetary effort raised the vibration, we have fought for what we have, and the gift of ascension is ours for the taking, but the seed FEAR is still there and must be beaten. We will not be destroyed again for we have learned lessons in the ways that spirit wanted us to, through trial and error and pain and tears.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, the Kryon books are my favorite, and i've read a lot of metaphyscis. Do you know how it is when you read something and it just sings to TRUTHFULLY to you heard and soul you can hardly put it down, that's how it is to me. His words are as soothing as a very trusted, very smart, and very kind friend. An old friend.

[Meneleus]

quote:Yes, there is TONS of evidence that Atlantis existed, but little physical. It's amazing that naysayers can even deny it's existense, for it has been such an integral part of human history and myth for so long, there must be some validity.

That's exactly the problem - people see it as a myth, a simple story from the past, and without physical (archeological) evidence it will always remain so.

The same goes for all these supposed advanced civilisations from long ago (outrageous that people are on about advanced cultures from 100,000 years ago!).  How can you claim something existed without physical, tangible proof?


Meneleus.