Do You Believe In Rencarnation?

[mackenzie]

I believe in reincarnation and have explored those lives with a master of past life journeys.  Exploring them helps you to understand issues that you might have in your present life with the people that you deal with and an understanding of why you have agreed to come back into this life time again.  (eg..the issues to be resolved)

[Veccolo]

I don't believe in it.

[no_leaf_clover]

I do.

[Nay]

Me too..[]

[majour ka]

I do, ive seen glimpses of my past lives. If we only lived once then died, what would be the point?

[pyro4571]

i believe in reincarnation, firstly because i know how to tell how old someones soul is, and secondly because i have learned a lot about some past lives

[Logic]

I strongly believe in reincarnation.

[Eric g]

I do believe in reincarnation.

[majour ka]

quote: firstly because i know how to tell how old someones soul is,

Cool,How do you do that? can you tell how old I am?

Marcus.

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:Cool,How do you do that? can you tell how old I am?

I'd like to know as well

[Nick]

Regarding the original question, I already said I believed in it during my last lifetime! []

[narfellus]

I believe in reincarnation, although i haven't experienced past lives through my guides yet. What you have to understand is the PURPOSE of reincarnation, and that gets pretty darn tricky.

In a nutshell, our soul has lessons to learn, and it keeps coming back willingly until it learns and experiences everything it wants to learn and experience. We have guides at all times to help us, but most people aren't aware of them. Evidence of an older, experienced soul is that some point in your life you DO find your guides, actively search for them, and heed their advice.

Just my take though.

[Reality]

But if you don't believe in reincarnation, does that mean you agree that you are extinct after your body wears off?

Astral Projection is my prove! I am eternal, and I can understand why my higher self would want to keep reincarnating in the physical realm. To our current conciousness this life might seem like a long experience, but to the eternal soul, it will probably have been like a click on a button, after you abandon your body.

[ImmuredSoul]

If we keep coming back to learn lessons, then don't we already know what these lessons are? Or our souls? I'm coming back to relearn old lessons . . . like, oh look, a coin, if I pick it up I know I'm going to get hit by that speeding bus . . . *shrugs shoulders and walks out in front of speeding bus just to get the coin*

Uh, I don't understand what you mean by experienced soul . . .

[Veccolo]

quote:Originally posted by Reality

But if you don't believe in reincarnation, does that mean you agree that you are extinct after your body wears off?

No, it means that the idea of coming back here over and over again for some strange reasons is ... strange.

I mean, if you think about it, all the new age babbling about "learning lessons", "spiritual growing", "experiencing experiences" and so on is just a nicer way of telling you that you're a slave of the thing called "higher self", or how you want to call it.

I think that after we die, we go on. Reincarnation might be possible, but I strongly doubt that it's needed.

[pyro4571]

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Cool,How do you do that? can you tell how old I am?
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I'd like to know as well

um yea sure.
i dont have a problem trying, but your gonna have to get me on msn messenger sometime. my address is pyro4571@hotmail.com
i could use the practice.

[BlackBox]

The beauty about reincarnation is that it creates a microcosmic purpose for every life.

For example, if a parent believes in it, then they should know to never super-impose their beliefs and ideas and wishes and ambitions onto their children when it is evident that they only rebel. They would realize that they only create and give birth to the shell. The yoke has its own purpose, its own profile, its own path.

quote:Originally posted by Veccolo

I mean, if you think about it, all the new age babbling about "learning lessons", "spiritual growing", "experiencing experiences" and so on is just a nicer way of telling you that you're a slave of the thing called "higher self", or how you want to call it.

Oy...well that's an awfully negative perspective.

I consider the "higher-self" as an accumulation of many souls. A soul-pool which has a higher form of consciousness. Individual souls that drive human-bodies are 'fragments' of that "higher-self" and act like seeds that are inseminated for a purpose.

To view it as slavery is original...I'll give you that. But perhaps it is due to ignorance?

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:I mean, if you think about it, all the new age babbling about "learning lessons", "spiritual growing", "experiencing experiences" and so on is just a nicer way of telling you that you're a slave of the thing called "higher self", or how you want to call it.

To me that sounds sort of like calling your body a slave to your mind. Us humans wouldn't be much without them both, though.

My personal belief is that our 'higher self' is our soul in its simplest form with all its collected memories from whatever lives it may have led. When we incarnate, those memories become inaccessable and we have to rely on our intuitions to begin a new experience. Whatever intuition we have come to possess from our experiences in past lives is used and expanded as we come across and learn from new experiences and problems. Maybe that makes more sense?

[Veccolo]

Maybe it's ignorant. I just can't stand people who tell that you're here because some "higher" and theoretical entity needs to "grow" from your experiences you make on earth, which are also chosen BEFORE (!)incarnating here. That makes no sense in *my* eyes, plus the fact that many people here on earth are suffering ... they all chose to suffer? Growing through suffering? WW2 a theatre created by higher entities? Sorry, not with me ...

[BlackBox]

Wars are created by agendas of control and manipulation. Suffering is a by-product of that need, that urge: manicheanism.

I think that for pleasure to exist, pain must exist. Whether something is negative or positive is based on your perspective. Like if you look at the way in which we treat animals/livestock, the positive of our survival is maintained by the negative of their slaughter.

It all depends on your subjective view-point. Do you see the world through the eyes of a snail? A pig? A human? Or can you perhaps see the logic in seeing reality through the eyes of a bird? Objectivity!

[Veccolo]

Well, I can only speak as a human, because I'm nothing else than a human, nor do I want to be something else. I too believe that the universe(s) itself is (are) purely objective. Like a stone. But the beings who inhabit these universes arent objective. If they were, they wouldn't care about pleasure or suffering, growing or not growing. They would just exist. Individuality would be impossible. "We are the Borg ..."

I cannot agree that everything we experience during our life time is planned before incarnating, as many "new agers" believe. It just doesn't make sense. I'm here to learn lessons, and at the same time everythign I do is already decided? Contradiction?

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:I'm here to learn lessons, and at the same time everythign I do is already decided? Contradiction?

Could not one way to think of it be that we simply know what we need to work on? If you wanted to fix a full breakfast, but didn't know any ways of preparing eggs besides boiling them (this was a recent problem of mine []), you know what you need to find out, but of course you don't yet know what you're going to learn.

In terms of reincarnation, an example may be that a being may need to work on being more accepting of others' beliefs, and so the being might incarnate into a specific place and set of likely situations that would be especially useful for helping resolve its problem.

When the being isn't incarnated and has all past memories available, it may realize that being aggressive towards others because of a difference of opinions isn't right, but while it may have this idea pinned down and isn't openly aggressive towards people with conflicting beliefs, it may still be subject to thought patterns that perpetuate the problem from the inside from not doing things for the right reason, so to speak.

As what is probably a common example, an incarnated being may think that descriminating against white people or black people is wrong, and say so, but they may still think racist things on certain occassions without intending to, rather than seeing issues on an individual basis. This may be because they don't have any direct experience to know for themselves why descrimination is really wrong. When they get that direct experience and learn why it's wrong, being accepting of others would be literally second nature or better, and they would be able to move on and focus on refining other aspects of themselves so that there is a constant refining progress on the positive nature of our little sparks of life in the universe. I think the inherent good in us is our ability to realize moral problems and address them and change to better accomodate what we feel are the right things to do.

Those are pretty much my thoughts on reincarnation, as best as I can try to put them into words at the moment. I'd also like to say that when I was giving the examples, I had no one in particular in mind if not myself.

[Veccolo]

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover
Could not one way to think of it be that we simply know what we need to work on? If you wanted to fix a full breakfast, but didn't know any ways of preparing eggs besides boiling them (this was a recent problem of mine []), you know what you need to find out, but of course you don't yet know what you're going to learn.

In terms of reincarnation, an example may be that a being may need to work on being more accepting of others' beliefs, and so the being might incarnate into a specific place and set of likely situations that would be especially useful for helping resolve its problem.

When the being isn't incarnated and has all past memories available, it may realize that being aggressive towards others because of a difference of opinions isn't right, but while it may have this idea pinned down and isn't openly aggressive towards people with conflicting beliefs, it may still be subject to thought patterns that perpetuate the problem from the inside from not doing things for the right reason, so to speak.

As what is probably a common example, an incarnated being may think that descriminating against white people or black people is wrong, and say so, but they may still think racist things on certain occassions without intending to, rather than seeing issues on an individual basis. This may be because they don't have any direct experience to know for themselves why descrimination is really wrong. When they get that direct experience and learn why it's wrong, being accepting of others would be literally second nature or better, and they would be able to move on and focus on refining other aspects of themselves so that there is a constant refining progress on the positive nature of our little sparks of life in the universe. I think the inherent good in us is our ability to realize moral problems and address them and change to better accomodate what we feel are the right things to do.

Those are pretty much my thoughts on reincarnation, as best as I can try to put them into words at the moment. I'd also like to say that when I was giving the examples, I had no one in particular in mind if not myself.

Even if I personally don't agree with most of it, it is an interesting point of view. Thanks for sharing.

[Blackstream]

I find the idea intriguing, but that's it.  So no

[Nagual]

So far, based on my experiences (or the lack of), I cannot proclaim that reincarnation exists.

But I can see the results of such beliefs: people feel better thinking/hoping that there is something after we die...