Any SLIders in here?

[jason]

interesting[]

not sure how serious to take it,but whenever I walk past certain lampposts at night,they shut off.

I just figure it's a censor device in the lamppost...

...but if that were the case,wouldn't it turn ON when i walk past it[?]

-and maybe this explains why my gamecube has had freezing fits since i got it (new[]).

I'm not saying I believe it,but more experimenting is in order.it is a fact however,that the human body is surrounded by a powerful magnetic field.

things that make you say "hmmmmm....?"[]

[Rob]

Dont think I am (though computers do go wrong a lot around me - mebbe just cos I abuse them tho []). However I did have one experience a few years ago where I woke up on "another level", tried to switch the light on - bulb blew, next room, light refused to go on (think I killed thatg one too). Lucky I didn't touch a computer then eh?? hehe.

Rob

[ImmuredSoul]

I had a light bulb blow out, and then I flipped the switch off. I forgot about it and flipped the switch a moment later to find that the light was working again (and no, nobody changed the light bulb, because there was nobody who could have). That has nothing to do with street lights though.

[Kodemaster]

Hi guys,

I do customer care, and it makes me wonder how many people have called in for repeated exchanges for their mobile phones, not because of some manufacturer's defect, but because of something like this []

[astralpwka]

You know, I didn't realize there was a name for that until I was watching Discovery Health (I think that was the channel) a few days ago. It used to happen all of the time, but in the last few years no longer happens to me. Maybe its a type of energy control, because it really ticked me off to have anything screw up the pc while using it. Streetlights I didn't care about.

[Kodemaster]

Interesting you mention that; a girl from a production company asked me back in the winter if I wanted to be in a documentary for the Discovery Channel for this very topic...I originally said "no", as I would have a hard time getting the time off...then I wrote back and said I may be interested, when is the date you'll be shooting, etc etc and never heard back from her []

[portal]

well, as nice as it would be to have something about all of us that is apparently miraculous like being able to affect street lamps ect. current science does not support any of these claims. I think unbiased testing is in order.

[Rob]

"Current science" doesn't support many things which are never the less true. I dont think people here are too interested in "unbiased testing" to get a small bunch of "skeptics" to accept the facts, and for all those other sketics who were NOT involved in the testing to say "I was not there, it cannot be, the tests must have been flawed therefore I do not believe it". Scientists are just other people, and when it comes right down to it they generally have more rigid and less open belief systems than non-scientists. I speak as an engineer, btw, and a human being.
I think people here are more interested in sharing their experiences. I dont think its particularly miraculous to do this - pretty cool, interesting, etc but frankly I've seen more impressive things and never been interested in trying to test any of them [].
Rob

[portal]

I'm not looking for truth.... science is the search for FACT not truth...truth is for philosophers. And to ignore blatent facts like you do makes you the closed minded one. I'm perfectly open to solid proof, but don't you think it's a little odd to say the least that there is no real evidence to support any of this? Is it not more likely that it simply doesn't exist than it is that throughout the history of time no one has been able to produce anything that could prove it to be factual? I'm speaking as someone with a PHD. Remember, without science we would still be in the dark ages.

[Rob]

Your post is chock full of assumptions. First:
"And to ignore blatent facts like you do makes you the closed minded one."
If you are speaking of science lets see an example. What blatent facts have I ignored? You know diddly squat about me, so kindly dont assume I am closed minded. I'm not. Nor did I call you closed minded - so why fall into this defensive sniping mode? Thats your psychology, so kindly dont overlay it on me.

"I'm perfectly open to solid proof, but don't you think it's a little odd to say the least that there is no real evidence to support any of this?"
Biggest assumption of all. You ever gone looking for the proof you claim doesn't exist? If so, look harder, you might be suprised. But what, precisely, are you claiming there is no proof for? On my computer at home I have links and articles saves for many types of parapsychological type studies. One which springs to mind, done in a chinese university, using a qi gong master to affect physical measuring instruments. About 10-15 different experiments if I remember right, all with various scales of positive and convincing results. If he can do that I dont see why people on this list couldn't affect electrical quipment. I know I have, in the past, and that is what I would call a "fact" - my fact, however, not yours, obviously, as you weren't there. Coming from that fact is truth, to me, which I build my belief system on.
You're playing with semantics and so am I but frankly its irrelevant either way. Semantics are more the realms of philosophers too, you know.

"Is it not more likely that it simply doesn't exist than it is that throughout the history of time no one has been able to produce anything that could prove it to be factual?"

Nobody has been able to product anything factual? Ever? What a peculiar thing to say, for a man with a phd no less.....(btw both my parents have phd's and yet my dad often refuses to believe the evidence of his own senses - I only said I am an engineer to point out that I am not coming from the "other camp")
But I assume you are aiming at some subject matter. Whatever it is, I am fairly confident you are wrong []. Its just that the science of the "paranormal" find itself difficult to take off because a lot of scientists, like I said, are rather militant in gaurding their belief systems and refuse to believe things which are so outside of their realm of experience, preferring to say exactly as you have above - and then use this rather circular argument to discount anything new which could break that loop. I hasn't been proved, I done believe it, therefore it cant be true. And if it isn't true, it cant be proved. Blah!
Hence journals dont like publishing it. Even Nature stoops to the lowest of lows sometimes - after publishing positive results on homeopathy, after the resulting storm they sent in, basically, a crew to debunk the evidence. One of the men in that 3 man crew was named james randi (scum), and the day he admits to the paranormal is the day I eat any hat you can find for me (and, incidentally, the day he loses $10million and his job....somehow I think he might have other motives...). And if I cant trust Nature to be totally on the ball I cant trust any journal, and since journals like this are the foundations of how new data is released to the science community, well, there's little hope of breaking the strangle hold of ignorance said community visibly revels in. However, underneath this thin visual veneer, I think a lot of scientists are truly open minded, great people. Its just that they cant show it for fear of losing their jobs (I could site examples)

"Remember, without science we would still be in the dark ages."
Your final assumption, that I dislike science. On the contrary. But science is just a word - what really pulled us out of the "dark ages" were people honestly looking to understand and explore their reality, its only in the last century that we have attached this word to it and divided people into groups.

lol what fun...[]

btw I have an off topic question - is russias situation improving these days? Mafia and corruption and all....

Rob

[astralpwka]

quote:Originally posted by portal

well, as nice as it would be to have something about all of us that is apparently miraculous like being able to affect street lamps ect. current science does not support any of these claims. I think unbiased testing is in order.

On the Discovery show, they actually put the slider in laboratory experiments, and actually demonstrated that he was able to affect the results of a computer. Can't really tell ya more, as I wasn't watching it too closely.

[portal]

well well well....seemed to have pushed some buttons... maybe you've heard my argument before(I wonder why). What's more likely- that you're right and that current science(which I don't think you're up to date on)is wrong or simply there are a few misguided deluded individuals who can't except their own limitations? Remember- you're up against the facts proved by many great minds- let us not forget the laws of thermodynamics-

[Naiad780]

Portal, you make some good points.  But don't have *too* much faith in research science.  I've worked in many medical/psych research labs over the years and my faith was completely blown due to what I've seen: institutional cover-ups, government repression, false data (I could hardly believe it), people's data being used without their consent, deliberate misrepresentation of research by the press and special interest groups, etc.

I still work in research and believe that it is the best way to gain knowledge in particular fields.  But please realize that the research you see is exactly what the government and large universities want you to see, and that many researchers are not above outright lies.  It's fine to respect these great minds and learn from their accomplishments, but take everything with a grain of salt as you see fit, because you have no idea what other research has been repressed or if what you read is actually unbiased.

It's very sad to say, but I have witnessed it and it almost disillusioned me permanently.

[portal]

What would anyone have to gain by covering up people with special abilities? Covering up something like say a UFO I can understand because of the ramifications assosiated(religious ect.), but I would say the worst that could happen is that there would probably be alot of predjudice towards people with "special abilities". Not exactly worth all the effort to stage a cover-up.

[Naiad780]

My comments are more of a general commentary on research.  I am merely illustrating how research of all types is often subject to political bias.  My SPECULATION about "people with special abilities" is that if they are publicly recognized (and that's doubtful since few researchers get funding for this), they are more difficult to control, and you can bet your a** that the government(s) would like to control people with "special abiliities."  

That is just one SPECULATION.  I'm sure you can come up with many other reasons if you try.

But I'll reiterate--my comment was merely meant to illustrate how research of all types can be manipulated and biased, and that we should never think we have the whole story simply because it was published in a scientific journal.  That doesn't mean we should arbitrarily discount research, but we should be aware of the less-than-scrupulous tactics that are sometimes used.  And perhaps if more of us are aware, the bad apples in research will have less opportunity to profane the discipline.

[Nay]

Of course I have no idea about all the science stuff, but I have had light bulbs blow out ALOT when I walk in the room, is that what a slider is??  Or is it just crappy light bulbs and great timing?

Nay []

[portal]

My speculations are based not in scientific journals but rather in the information taught to me in College.Even the basic principals of physics that we all learn in high school should be suficiant enough to rule out any speculation on the subject matter. These principals that we all learn in school are proven facts not speculation, I think you'll find that in most cases fact can be stranger than fiction. Also I think I should note that due chiefly to the fact that the human body has very little natural magnetism and an electrical charge that is all but neglegable, it is for all intensive purposes impossible to interfere with electrical devices such as street lamps. What is being reported must then be merely coincidences. If you say I am wrong you should take it up with physics 101.....sorry.

[Rob]

Science as you learn it is only representational of a small area of reality which is given laws and theories to explain how those areas can be modelled. Thats all - ie its not totally inclusive of everything, and to discount something simply because its actions are not covered within the scientific field you have been taught is just unscientific.
I was never taught in school or in uni how the consciousness works, because frankly nobody knows. To discount the bodies affecting magnetic fields because it has little field stregnth of its own is laughable. There is NOTHING you learn in highschool which disproves any of this. And if you think I am wrong, prove it.

[portal]

I don't need to prove it....read a book

[Rob]

I have read many books. For instance, your spurious reference to the laws of thermodynamics - we were taught those laws in depth at uni. But they have nothing whatsoever to do mind over matter.
These vague references just aren't going to cut it.
Besides, scientifically and philosophically your assumptions are completely unsound. You cannot disprove something like this - and if you disagree, then go read a philosophy book.

[portal]

To be honest, I don't know why I really care to argue the point with you as you obviously don't understand the first thing about what I'm talking about. Here is your proof,the first law of THERMODYNAMICS:You can't create or destroy energy.Think about it...

[daem0n]

but you can focus, direct and use it
the problem is that they don't know what they are doing (or have absolute control over their energy, emotions are energy)
when you practise PK, NEW and other systems of energy raising you have a LOT more energy than normal individual (john), but that is not nessesarily followed by emotional balance, you have to work on you ego too
so what they do is focus energy in chaotic way and disrupt flow of electricity, by  changing magnetic field for example, i'm not really keen on this subject but it does happen

[Rob]

Oh dear....I've heard that argument put many time in many situations and its always flawed by the same answer:

"THERMODYNAMICS:You can't create or destroy energy"

Nobody is creating or destroying anything, only transmitting it from one state to another. Same with overunity devices. I assure you I do understand all your arguments, but IMO its you that're out of your depth here I'm afraid.

I'll continue to disprove your arguments for as long as you keep making them and telling me I am wrong - and those arrogant put downs dont help either.
I have other reasons too...[]

[Nick]

Regarding the SLIder website, hmmm, nothing there about metal detectors. Here's a tidbit for anyone interested: where I work (county courthouse), I have to pass through one of several metal detectors, two to three times a day. I never set any of them off, and never take keys, coins, etc. out of my pockets. Also, my watch is largely metal with a steel band.

Nearly all who pass through these devices do activate them, as they are set to be quite sensitive. The security guards on hand are always confused by this, which is kind  of amusing. I have no idea why I never activate these devices, and am just as confused as the guards. It's a strange phenomenon for which I have no explanation.



Nick

[Selski]

Doubt it's relevant, but I often get little electric shocks, even when touching water.

I always thought it was because I'm an electrifying female!! []

Sarah