Opinions On Tarot Readings

[kiauma]

I think Tarot, like any form of divination, is an extremely variable and dynamic entity.  Trying to lay a constant on the vagueries of spiritual communication is like trying to find a guarentee for the weather report, only about 1000 times less reliable - sometimes.

There are a zillion variables here, so while, yes, I believe it can be highly 'accurate', it is hardly ever cast in stone, very much like the collapse of the Quantum wave function.

So I think most divinations are a matter of oppenness of the reciever, for one, and a matter of probabilities, second.

I have gotten just as much out of some electronic readings as compared to live readings - though I have had very few live readings.  I do have my own deck, if that is of interest.

Sorry for the less than solid answer.  []

[Naiad780]

None of those, actually.

In my experience, Tarot cards and the like merely force your mind to make connections that it wouldn't otherwise make.  Like, "Hmm, this card represents this, how would that fit into my situation and what does that have to do with this other card?"

I don't believe it really tells the future, but it does tap into your own higher thought processes that can make intuitive leaps, giving you a new (an often more accurate) way to look at the situation.

[Veccolo]

#1 and #2.

Reading the future is impossible. The future does not exist, so it can't be "read", not with tarot, not with spirits, with nothing.

You can only use informations you already have to make guesses about possible events which might occur. Like weather forecasts.

Why do you think it's easier to guess future events which involve whole nations? You simply have more informations which make the guessing more accurate.

I also agree with Naiad730. Tarot obviously changes your way of looking at things and you make connections you normally wouldn't make.

It's just too vague to be of any use. If I say "Two devils are fighting, and one will beat the other one this year.", you can connect it with the election in the US, or with Bush and Osama, or whatever. Just too vague.

[SomeBloke]

quote:Reading the future is impossible. The future does not exist, so it can't be "read", not with tarot, not with spirits, with nothing.

I think you are wrong here, because I have experienced precognition a couple of times.  Using tarot to predict the future?  I did some readings on here for people a while back for fun, but when you studiously do a reading and then realise the cards are the same as the last one you did because you didn't shuffle the pack...I have to wonder!  At least electronic readings can shuffle properly!

[jilola]

Food and stimulation for intuition.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[Veccolo]

quote:I think you are wrong here, because I have experienced precognition a couple of times

And what did you foresee? How much time elapsed until the foreseen event took place?

[James S]

Tarot cards are a tool for mediumship only. The cards themselves do not contain anything special, it's all in the abilities of those who use them. They are a form of divination that can be used to give indications of guidance from Spirit.

They are not something that just anyone, even any medium can just pick up and expect to get something out of. It takes years of training and experience to get their full benefit. For instance, just one card in the major arcana can relate to three entirely different subjects, and it's the cards laid down after it that will give direction to its meaning.

Again, as I say, they are a tool only.  An experienced medium does not actually need to use tarot cards to deliver guidance to someone, although they can give some clarity to a message. For the most part, if you are indeed dealing with a skilled and experienced medium, they are not much more than a prop to use to justify to the unknowing just why they are paying out good money for a psychic reading.

If you went to a good medium for guidance, and you stated that you did not trust tarot cards, that medium shold still be just as capable of giving you direction from Spirit without them.

Velloco,

quote:Reading the future is impossible. The future does not exist, so it can't be "read", not with tarot, not with spirits, with nothing.

You can only use informations you already have to make guesses about possible events which might occur. Like weather forecasts.

There is a factor of dealing with Spirit that you might not be aware of here.

Spirit guides that a medium will be in contact with during a tarot reading, and that can include their higher selves, are not bound by linear time-space as we in the physical are. Spirit guides are able to see both future and past as easily as you or I can look left or right.

Don't assume spirits are bound by limitations imposed by our own understanding. We know very little indeed of the physical universe around us and its possibilities, let alone the non-physical universe.

The thing here is that the future is fluid, not written in stone. This is true for any sentient being with free will. What the spirits can present to us though is a possible future, a future that we can choose to allow to come to pass or not.

We are not told what will or will not happen, we are only guided to what might be, but this is done with much more than just guesses. It's done with what the spirits, including our higher selves, can see is possible.

Kind regards,
James.

[Veccolo]

quote:Spirit guides are able to see both future and past as easily as you or I can look left or right.

Personally, I doubt that. Every prediction I read until now was either too vague to be of any use, or just didn't occur like predicted. Maybe the predictions I read weren't based on informations from "spirit guides", I dunno. These guides might see a possible future, but how accurate are such possible futures?

quote:The thing here is that the future is fluid, not written in stone.

That's what I meant with "the future does not exist".

quote:This is true for any sentient being with free will. What the spirits can present to us though is a possible future, a future that we can choose to allow to come to pass or not.

Yes, of course, I won't deny that. I mean, every idiot can predict a "possible future", you don't need a guide or higher self for that. Ask a guide or higher self what you will do on September 20th in the year 2020 at 5:42 pm - I bet he can't tell you that.

They can only use current informations and make "guesses" on the likeliest choices the person will make (based on the experiences, personality, desires etc.), which might lead to the likeliest event.

The "problem" is the free will which can screw the prediction up. It makes predicting the future nearly impossible for events in a more remote future, and for single persons who have a diversified lifestyle and interact with many people. Too many variables to consider, even for spirits.

[Kane98969]

As an owner of a Tarot deck. I would have to say number3.  They have been very useful for me.

[James S]

quote:Originally posted by Veccolo

The "problem" is the free will which can screw the prediction up. It makes predicting the future nearly impossible for events in a more remote future, and for single persons who have a diversified lifestyle and interact with many people. Too many variables to consider, even for spirits.

Yes, this is indeed true. Not really too many variables for the spirits though, as they can see "outside" of time, but they can't control our actions, they can only guide and advise.

A couple of times now I have been given "future possibilities" visions. In each time what I saw was a river that would divide and divide again, until far off into the distance there were so many branches to this river, it was impossible to see where they all go.
Spirit guides can however see where the branches go, but they cannot tell how you're going to get there.

Just as an example, if you live your life according to the direction of your intuition, "follow your heart" you could say, as directed by your higher self, your higher self being a spirit that is of the highest order can see all the forks in the river, ther directions, and the interconnections between the streams.

Your higher self will have a plan for your life, which would be like having an aerial photo of the river and all its branches, and having a particular root through all those branches marked with highlighter. Your higher self will try and guide you along a course in that complex river system, but it is totally up to you whether you follow that course or not.

A good Tarot reading, just like your intuition, can give you some hints as to which turn would be best for you to make when you come to a fork in the river. It can tell you that you will achieve success in some area if you go this way, or have some problems if you go that way. It's then up to you to choose your course.

It really isn't telling you the future, its more like advising you that things will go better or worse for you depending on which way you go, and try and give you some clue as to which would be a better path.

Ok, you confused yet []
My waffling on has either cleared things up a little or made them worse[:I]

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James.

[Veccolo]

Yes, thanks, that cleared up a few things

quote:Your higher self will have a plan for your life, which would be like having an aerial photo of the river and all its branches, and having a particular root through all those branches marked with highlighter. Your higher self will try and guide you along a course in that complex river system, but it is totally up to you whether you follow that course or not.

Now that's interesting. So the guides (and the higher self) don't interefere with our free will, even if we take a course which is not in the plan? The first time I read about the "plan" on another site it was said we have to life through this plan no matter what. If we leave the course, our guides would "control" us, so we get back on course.

This made me feel uncomfortable and even caused a short depression - it just felt so wrong.

[James S]

Hi Veccolo,
"This made me feel uncomfortable and even caused a short depression - it just felt so wrong."

Absolutely it's wrong, and you're quite right to feel that way!

No spirit being of good intention will ever make us to do anything against our will, no matter how much anguish it may cause us or them. All they can do is guide and advise. It's totally up to us to take that advice or not.

From a personal viewpoint I've found I'm having much more fun following their advice.[] You get a sense of peace about things.[^]

I think I know where you're coming from though. I too have read things by people that I would call "Fatalists", who believe that it doesn't matter what we do, the spirits have given us a fate that we're destined for. If that were truly the case, I wouldn't see any point in us having free will. Sure we have lessons that we should learn, but nothing that's a "must do or else!"

Take care,
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James.

P.S. Kiauma, if you make another crack about being destined to change your fate, I'm going to come over there and thump you![B)]
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[Rastus]

I used to have a great deck, but it got lost somewhere in the past, as I did.

Followup:

Both readings were earily similiar.  Both reading came to pass yesterday.  Neither had squat to do with the future, the events had already happened, I just wasn't completely aware of all the details yet.

Now putting on the hindsight glasses, I'm not sure I could have made all the connections without the cards.  There were some subtle clues, but even Sherlock Holmes wouldn't have put it together.  Both readings said one thing, while I was sure it was something else.  Based on what the cards told me (I took it as a warning), I chose a course of action I wouldn't have a few months ago.  I chose the correct course of action (thank you higher powers).

Oh, when I chose the correct significator, it gave the result that actually happened.

[astralpwka]

I have 5 different decks that I always kept in the same location, but right now the only one I can find is my Aleister Crowley Thoth deck. This leads me to the conclusion that it ate the other decks. []

[kiauma]

That's the Thoth deck alright!  [:O]


*Decides to definitely not make a crack about being destined to change his fate - but then remembers one of his few personal readings by an old Gypsy who promised he would never be warned against making a crack about being destined to change his fate!*   - Runs and hides!

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[Rastus]

Do you feel Tarot readings are:

1) BS
2) Just for Fun
3) Readings of what may be if you don't change
4) Carved in stone, your done, give up now

And a corallary, electronic readings don't have the interaction you get when you cut/shuffle yourself?

[Graelwyn]

I can only see one deck I might like...I currently have the Golden Dawn deck and am not happy with it at all, but I cannot seem to locate a Morgan Greer set...I cannot give an opinion on tarot as of yet as I have not done many readings, but I am finding my set of Rune Cards very accurate!!

Kate xxx


Ps: sorry to resurrect this topic so long after the last post!

[loveregardless]

I was not familiar with tarot or oracle decks until recently, and I'm still not sure exactly what the difference between the two is, but my experience with the deck I just received has been amazing. I recently bought Brian Froud's Fairie's Oracle (I'm a shameless fairy lover but you wouldn't necessarily have to be to enjoy this beautiful artistic deck) and have done several readings on family members and friends so far.

Although each person was apprehensive and doubting at the beginning, each was just as impressed as I at the end. I certainly have no level of skill comparable to those who have used the decks for years, but just from learning to center and ground myself, ask for any spiritual guidance I may find useful, and fully concentrate on my intent...I think I have found a very powerful source of spiritual assistance and even counseling in these cards. Obviously each person's experience with the deck is highly personal, I think that is why so many people have such a hard time when viewing the cards as having a definite meaning or direct interpretation, they aren't allowing for the individual themselves to tell you what the card means to THEM. I have found that listening to their own interpretation, then forming my own, and then reading the accompanying books interpretation, helps me to arrive at the most accurate and in tuned reading possible.

I think that the belief in any deck as anything other than an extension of one's own power is taking the use out of context. The deck only becomes a powerful tool when both the reader and the individual are in the right mind set (especially the reader), guidance is called upon, and the intention is clear. Also caring about the individual you are reading for seems to make a difference for me, I find that establishing a real connection with the individual allows to be better open to what they need to hear and what I need to know. Actually reading the oracle seems to involve a great deal of counseling and psychology in my opinion, or at least that's what I bring to it having majored in the field myself. I am also clairsentient (EXTREMELY emotionally and mentally sensitive to others)and I think that gift allows for me to be more successful than others might be.