M-Theory and the 7 astral planes

[beavis]

why not 8?

[Rob]

Ha! Nice catch []
But I have 2 contentions:

1 is that these types of theories often seem to change, and as they do so the required number of dimensions also changes. That was written in 99 - a lot can change in 5 years! Do you know where they are at now?

2 You missed the rest of the quote!

quote:And in fact, we have reason to believe now through recent developments in Superstring Theory evolving into Membrane Theory, that there is a kind of a master seven-dimensional lattice, which is one that I've been working on for some time, called the E-7 Lattice, that creates the seven hidden dimensions of eleven-dimensional space-time, because seven plus four (for the four dimensions of ordinary space-time) gives us eleven.

In other words beavis is actually right - from the perspective of the other quotes you posted, if we take the physical as one dimension, the total is 8.[] I am not sure I can navigate around this and fit it to the more mystical view. But then, see point 1!

Rob

[volcomstone]

because 8 is really 2, and 4,

7 isn't. nor is 11

it's strange that hindu numerology has always seen number relationships, Ie 7, 11, 36,   they are "holy" numbers for a lack of a better term

using non-communicative geometry physicists and math guys, managed to create an object which has 11 dimensions wrapped up into a 7 dimensional form,

those 7 dimensions then collapse into the known 3 spatial dimensions, however Time isn't a spatial dimension.

also using cosmic background radiation and inflation theorys and particle acceleratiors they can sorta predict the evolution of the  universe within the first few femto seconds after the "big bang"

there supposedly where pseudo vacuumns and many more dimensions which collapsed into this one.

Or something equally un-intelligable.

[Necromancer]

Your right even Steven Hawkins just recently backtracked on his black hole theory, but have you ever played music? Well pluck a guitar and watch how it vibrates, there is a natural order of vibration wavelengths. You might as well ask why there is 7 notes to a chord?

[fuzzyquark]

It would be interesting to find out what the current theories state.  Sirag doesn't appear to have a website so I don't know how to find out what he has discovered since that interview.

Incidentally, it would be interesting to hear from Robert Bruce whether he has managed to achieve any more confirmation about the structure of the astral planes - in Astral Dynamics he says it was not possible to get a completely definitive answer about which theory was correct.

[Necromancer]

Have you ever watched Stargate SG1 on T.V.? Maybe there is more reality there in fantasies than there is fantasy in a lot of those reality theories. The 7 chevrons around a portal to space and time and the serpents of ancient Egypt, or could that be the raised Kundilini awareness? Also 7-Days that was started by project H.A.R.R.P., HAARP is a real place http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/haarp.html or just go to HAARP.gov and read about what they say they are doing. The material they post now is not what they posted 10 years ago. Sorry I'm starting a conspiracy theory.
Makes me wonder where the division between fantasy and genius lays?

[Rob]

I love Stargate!!!!!!!! Am quite an sg1 junky it sooo sad.
The lady who comes up with a lot of the ideas for the program, I think would find herself quite at home in a place like this!
They leave clues to what they are hinting at sometimes - eg I saw one episode where daniel jackson is kinda transported to another dimension overlaying our one where he could see everything going on but nobody could see him and he could pass through solid matter etc. At one point they were walking past a shop I think it was, and a vehicle was covering most of the name (written in big letters above the door) - infact the only bit of the name it didn't obscure said "astral" []. Sweet!!!

[volcomstone]

for me, nothing compares to... the outer limits, possibly the best sci-fi series ever.  Even gene roddenbury would agree.

[funinfloating111]

hey last night i watched a tv show called "parrelel universes" on the discovery or something. it was about the M-theory and stuff. it was good i suggest you watch it when it comes back on.

[Necromancer]

I'll have to watch that one because if there are parallel universes; are there parallel dimensions? Would a parallel world have a dimension without time or space of it's own or would it be the same one that is in our universe? It would seem imposable that two parallel worlds would have separate dimensions of no space and no time.  If there were two dimensions of no time or space then there would have to be space or time separating them and therefore violating the concept of no time or space. I think that if there were parallel worlds their dimensions would be the same as ours.

[beavis]

fuzzyquark: final Theory

hahahahahaha ha hahahahah ahahahahahaha

volcomstone: Time isn't a spatial dimension.

Its more that than anything else. You can measure angles between time and space dimensions. The speed of light is 45 degrees. Not moving is 0 degrees. These angles are more than theoretical. When objects move close to the speed of light, their mass and energy changes. This is because you're seeing them from an angle in the time, energy, and mass dimensions. Scientists dont like to call energy and mass dimensions, but from this equation it is obvious...
(mass/energy)^2 + (distance/time)^2 = 1


Stargate kicks butt!!

[Necromancer]

beavis:

I agree with you on mass and energy being a dimension but I don't see it in your formula.

Stargate Atlantis is good.

[beavis]

Distance and time are dimensions. If you switch distance with mass and time with energy you get the exact same equation. Its symmetric. If one side is dimensions the other must also be.

[Necromancer]

Beavis

Your idea I see but it won't fly because time=distance and E= MC^2. If you give mass the equivalent of space or distance you also give it the same thing as time.

Time   ( T )
Time is the dimensionless ratio of two angular displacements. Time is the angular displacement of some external reference per angular displacement of the system under observation.

Time(x) = angular displacement(reference) / angular displacement(x)

For example, the time period of the Earth's rotation about the Sun is:

   Time(Earth cycles about Sun) =    1461 Earth cycles about its' axis
               -----------------------------------------------
               4 Earth cycles about the Sun


Time is the interval between events. Time is measured with reference to some external reference such as the rotation of the moon about the earth or the vibration period of an atomic system.

If you have a dimension of 0 time you would also have 0 distance, all things would be at equal distance from one another which would be 0 distance apart. Fundamentally, time is the dimensionless ratio of two angular displacements.
Three components are needed to measure time. The angular displacement to be measured, an angular displacement to use as a reference and a stable background against which to compare the two angular displacements.
   Time(X) = angular displacement(reference) / angular displacement(X)

[overfien]

its amazing this stuff is not taught in schools.......

7 represents the seventh arcanum, the seven notes of the lyre of orpheus, the seven musical notes, the seven colors of the solar prism, the seven planets, the seven vices that we must transform into the seven virtues., the seven sidereal genii, the seven bodies, the seven dimensions, the seven degrees of the power of fire, the seven secret words that were pronounced by the solar logos (on golgotha), etc.

#7 is a strong #.. its planet is neptune and the constellations of libra.  Its musical note is Si, bronze is its metal, and its stone is opal.  its color is magenta (a blue color, almost violet, almost like steel). all the nadis or nervous canals belond to this number.

The number 7 is guarded by 248 precepts.  We will progress in proportion to ourcomprehension of these 248 precepts.  the 7th arcanum is triumph, and the on who triumphs sees the astral light and is practically self-realized.

if we add 248 into itself, we get 2+4+8=15, and 1+4=5.

the 248 precepts are reduce to the fourteenth arcanum of kabbalah, which is temperance, a woman who mixes the two waters of two urns,meaning mixing the white elixir with the red elixir of life, of alchemy in other words, the work with sun and with the Moon, the work of transmutation.

#5 is perfect self-realized flaming star, but the number seven is the number of victory, it has 248 precepts of an affirmative type,.  One has to comprehend the 248 precepts in order to attain victory over onself and to achieve seeing the astral light.  

the seventh dimension (the trinity) the the first logos at the top (father); kether, supreme crown (making a perfect tiangle) second logos *son* chokmah, wisdom, third logos *holy spirit* binah, intelligence (binah masculine) on the right of it divine mother *aima* feminine  *

esoteric meaning of the hebrew arcanum #7: (Z) Zain. It means "whistle" and it is applied to all the stridency that penetrate the air and in it is reflected.  Symbolically it represents an arrow for throwing, a javelin.  it is applied to everything which is the abstract image of the connection of one's things with others. number value 7.

[fuzzyquark]

Robert Bruce mentions the seven astral planes considerably in Astral Dynamics.  Have a look at these other quotes:

Swami Panchadasi, an Indian teacher: "Each of the seven planes has seven sub-planes and each of these sub-planes has its own seven subdivisions; and so on to the seventh degree of subdivision." - The Astral World

Robert Monroe, founder of The Monroe Institute: "Imagine 7 circles enclosed in an even larger circle upon which 7 more circles are stacked" - Far Journeys

The Prophet Mohammed - "Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens, one above another" - Holy Quran, Nuh 15.

But I've saved the best until last: Saul-Paul Sirag, theoretical physicist from Berkeley University: "We have reason to believe now through recent developments in Superstring Theory evolving into Membrane Theory, that there is a kind of a master seven-dimensional lattice called the E-7 Lattice, that creates the seven hidden dimensions of eleven-dimensional space-time".  Full text at http://www.mishlove.com/transcripts/sirag.htm

M-Theory is the prime contender for a final Theory Of Everything that unites Einstein's theories of relativity, gravity and quantum mechanics, as well as the various "superstring" theories into a single Grand Unified Theory.  And it matches up perfectly what spiritual teachers have been telling us for centuries.  Finally, something that science and faith can agree on.

FQ.