A question on Negs.

[James S]

Interesting looking at this now.

I was talking to a my dear friend and mentor last night - a lady who'se a medium and healer, who teaches meditation classes.

One of her new students has been getting some nasty dizziness immediately after meditation. My friend could see a big energy drainage going on that was due to some form of negative energy attachment this woman had. My freind did a little bit of digging here and found that this attachment was a thought-form entity created by this woman through her own anger towards her mother. ANy time a discussion about this ladies mother came up, her anger would rise, and my friend could see this thought-form taking hold of the woman's energy body. What made things worse is that this woman has strong psychic abilities. The thought-forms she can create would be very strong indeed!

My friend's father in law is also a long time experienced psychic and reiki healer. He confirmed that this is a fairly typical situation in a case like this.

I don't know that negs are any more common than they used to be, I just think maybey more of us are coming to understand the nature of negative energy better. The majority of people suffering neg influences are not suffering the effects of attacks from external entities. These are actually quite rare. I know that statement might probably get a howl of protest from all the PSD junkies, but none the less, it much much more common for a negative energy/entity to be a thought-form creation of the person suffering the attachment.

As to how to rid a person of their own thought-form entity? Well, no ammount of PSD protection, banishments or attunements will work here until that person chooses to undergo a bit of basic self examination and works to remove the negative emotions from their life that are feeding this thought-form. Otherwise PSD routines are only putting the cart before the horse.

Regards,
James.

[James S]

Sure, no problems. []

The first two I would say are probably going to require a bit more than your basic protection to deal with, but are increadibly rare, and something that very few healers are ever going to have to face. The Ebola virus exists and is deadly, but very few doctors will ever have to face it. If they do, best to know a specialist who can deal with it.

The third is a little more common, but usually constitutes emotional attacks. The shielding that is needed here is not so much psychic, but psychological. I've experienced this with my ex wife and her parents, who more or less sought to enslave her. It was when she learned to strenghten her will that she learned to fight off this attack.

Evil elementals? umm....I would not describe an elemental's nature as being good or evil. They have purpose, they are....elementals.  

The Evil Eye (insert evil witches cackle here). Learn your spells of protection for this one my pretty. and your little dog too![]
You'd have to seriously tinkle off some really nasty black witch to cop one of these nasties. And even then, they'd not just do this to anyone. Three Fold Law is a powerful incentive against this curse.

6th one, now this one is a total bummer! Been there before. Easily overcome though with a good bit of meditation and white/gold light shielding. Trick here is to keep your heart chakra open and lively and you'll find yourself nicely fending of these negative vibes.

Except for the 6th and 2nd examples, these are all quite uncommon, but yes they do require a knowledge of PSD to deal with, and they can happen. Some people can attract these situations, but they never deserve them.

I've never stated that such external entities do not exist. I know too damn well they do. But what I also know is that they are far less common, or far less prevolant than negative energies that are manifestations of a persons own negative emotions or energies.

It's like comparing Hepatitis C to a common throat infection. Not everyone that has a sore throat need worry that they've contracted Hep C. But there are unfortunately those few that are suffering a sore throat because they do have Hep C.

Kind regards,
James.

[Rastus]

Thoughtform entities.  That would explain the other 1/2 of the equation.  Either Self or Directed?  Family members seem to be the usual culprit.  But the "woah is me" attitude is so destructive.

Hmmmmm, now I need to review my own case.  Homicidal rage to peace and serenity in days....

[kiauma]

quote:That would explain the other 1/2 of the equation.

More like the other 99.999% of the equation!   Excellent post James on the prevelance of true external malevalence.

I was rereading 'Whats wrong with PSD' that SD brought up in the PSD forum and I see now what I recognize as a lot of confusion between a lot of different issues - emotional, energetic, spiritual, and psychic.  Mostly I see my own naivette in thinking I could talk someone out of a position like that.  [xx(]

But the core question here is just what is a neg??  I think if a person can determine just what they are dealling with, then what to do about it naturally flows out of that, and I agree solidly most of the time it is a manifestation of one's own psyche, thus the need for self-reflection.

[Naiad780]

Hmm ... I actually never looked into this neg stuff until just recently.  Where can I find out more about it?  I suspect I have a *really* strong one attached to me and that I've been feeding it over the years.  If it's like a thoughtform, I worry I've been doing damage without realizing it  Is there a book or website to check out?

[kiauma]

*Sigh*  Here we go again.  [xx(]

[Naiad780]

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

*Sigh*  Here we go again.  [xx(]

Um ... if you have a problem with me asking for info, why?  All you have to do is say, "Check out this book or site" and I'll go away to read it.

[kiauma]

Sorry - this has been beat to death on innumerable threads.  I'll take my participation to http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13710

[Naiad780]

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

Sorry - this has been beat to death on innumerable threads.  I'll take my participation to http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13710

Yep, I've been there but as of yet there is no useful information.  Sorry that it's been beat to death, but some of us are just learning and are asking for good info like a book or site.  Isn't that better than freaking out and going, "OMG NEGS EVERYWHERE PLS HELP NOWWW???"  I thought my request was pretty simple.

[kiauma]

One of the books that helped me most is 'The Power of Now' by Eckhart Tolle.   It's not really a book about 'Negs' but rather shows how to sidestep the majority of the issues at the source.

[Naiad780]

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

One of the books that helped me most is 'The Power of Now' by Eckhart Tolle.   It's not really a book about 'Negs' but rather shows how to sidestep the majority of the issues at the source.

Thank you, I'll check that book out.

[bluelite]

There are as much negs on the astral planes as there are physical  viruses and other parasites in the physical world. So it is really too tedious trying to classify all of them.  So the first question arises, what protects the physical body from physical invaders? Thats easy as we all know the immunne system is the chief defender of the physical body from unwanted intruders those that medical science already know and others unknown.


And now what protects the subtle body from psychic intruders(NEGS) well the aura does. If thoughts and emotions are harmonious and positive they can act as a barrier to prevent unwanted psychic intruders. There is much more to dealing with psychic problems but maintaning a harmonious emotional and mental state is one of the first steps.

As far as treatment for these conditions it  may vary for each individual there are physical methods that work well and at other times psychic methods may produce very good results.

[James S]

Thanks for the kind words Kiauma.[]

Bluelite - good post!
I'm not sure how many people are aware that a healthy aura is our best natural defence agains most of the spiritual and emotional junk out there.

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James.

[James S]

Be nice!

Yes it would be good to have a perfectly healthy aura, and there's nothing magical about achieving it. Good physical health is the best start, as the physical body and energy body are so very closely linked.

A positive mental outlook and emotional stability are also achievable, and a simple way is through daily meditation.
Of course maintaining it isn't always easy, especially when its raining on the way to work, your stuck on a freeway for over an hour on a trip that should only take 20 minutes and you have the obligatory lane changer cutting you off every so often.[}:)]

Nobody's perfect, certainly not me. But there's nothing at all wrong with me wanting to make myself better today than I was yesterday, and there's certainly nothing wrong with wanting to dwell more on positive aspects of psychic development that negative. That's what affirmations are all about.

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James.

[kiauma]

Not to be a pain (though I usually am! [] ) but interestingly it sounds almost like you are afraid that enlightenment means the end of your life!

quote:it must be nice to be so perfectly auric-healthy & completely mentally positive that nothing can get to you emotional or whatever. Sounds like a great life, not too many people can say that. I wonder what you are on earth for? You have all the answers, there is nothing left to learn but death, then you will simply turn into light completely & poof! Good times.

Eckharte Tolle in his book remarks how the fear of the loss of self is one of the biggest roadblocks to enlightenment.

Honestly, I suspect there is a lot more to it than "poof" - the end. []

[daem0n]

kiauma, i've read the power of now and it certainly helped me, however there is another book that backs it up considerably, i mean The Inward Revolution by Deborah Benstead and Storm Constantine, it takes up closely fear trap and other identity maintance methods and gives clear solutions to them
i gave away most of negative thoughts and emotions, pride is now my greatest enemy and i have to watch out when mind and ego try to take control, but i found peace and happiness in my life previosly seeming meaningless, common problems are irrelevant to me, but there are many things that i want to do before i pass away (i'm 18 lol [8D]), helping people look outside of their minds, healing them emotionally, i'm young and inexperienced yet so it's my family i am aiming for now, when  i gain more confidence and skills i will be able to help many more people, there is one quote roughly translated by me that sums it all
"whenever an enlightened person, in all his wisdom, power and glory stands at the gate of heaven, surrounded by angels and finally getting his reward, TRULY enlightened person will weep and stay on earth, becouse they're dedicated to help every poor soul they can, until there  will be no more pain and grief, for how could they abandon them"

[kiauma]

The Buddhists have an oath for certain monks that basically says a person refuses final enlightenment until everyone else on earth becomes enlightened first!   I also am only now beginning to understand this.

Thanks for the book recommendation daem0n!  I will certainly check it out.  []

[James S]

Now see what you've done Runlola?

You've sent these two off on a philosophical tangent! They could be off on this tangent for months now![]

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James.

[daem0n]

well said James S this thread will last longer than this forum, then we'll find another []
kiauma:
you should remember that love must be unpersonal to progress further (i've yet to work on it, on love too)
your turn []
rastus:
negs need emotions to get to a person, then they foster then to have more energy, the lower the frequencies the more filling the emotions are (that's what i heard on vampire pages, so i guess that is the case with negs), there are few that can operate on higher frequencies so you're safer (or they start trying harder, like on Bruce i guess),

[Rastus]

Just a general question for healers out among the unwashed, metaphysically speaking []

I've been putting in some time on a medical board, working with Depressives.  The more I study, the more I see signs of NEG influence.  I mean classical signs, voices, sudden urges to self harm, sudden suicidal thoughts, sudden mood swings, etc.  Some of the posters just "feel" like NEG influence.  And siturbingly enough, many have "accepted" their condition, taking Anti-Depressents and living out miserable lives, with no thought of being able to actually get better (this disturbs me, and keeps drawing me back there, I think I've helped some, but others are beyond hope I fear).

Am I seeing too much, or are NEG's more common than I used to think(which before a few months ago was your common excorcist type possession, but now.....)?