What happened to the mind reading thread?

[runlola]

 

[SpectralDragon]

So much for letting the wasp let out it's steam. Next time this comes up I don't think you guys are going to like the fact that it can't be stopped.

[Eol007]

Dear Blackstream, good ladies and gentlemen,

I moved it to a place of safekeeping! Therefore sincere apologies if it has caused you some inconvenience.

But it was abundantly clear that the 'Mind readers - my frustration towards you.' thread was been abused. Yet I am sure you all have good intentions at heart, but sometimes enough is enough!!!

Needless to say - with respect to all concerned: is it not time for the giving and receiving of a little bit of forgiveness here?

Please enjoy your visits and positive interaction on the forums.

Wishing you all well,


Stephen

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by EOL007

Dear Blackstream, good ladies and gentlemen,

I moved it to a place of safekeeping! Therefore sincere apologies if it has caused you some inconvenience.

But it was abundantly clear that the 'Mind readers - my frustration towards you.' thread was been abused. Yet I am sure you all have good intentions at heart, but sometimes enough is enough!!!

Needless to say - with respect to all concerned: is it not time for the giving and receiving of a little bit of forgiveness here?

Please enjoy your visits and positive interaction on the forums.

Wishing you all well,


Stephen

Then you, Nay, and James start it up, I am through with this childishness. If you want my forgiveness then stop acting foolish. I wouldn't have to forgive people if they didn't do anything wrong in the first place. Forgiveness does nothing if nobody learned any lessons, but I gueess as a healer you should know that shouldn't you?

Really, acting like children and Jarring up emotions and supressing what people want to say without trying to work through it is not the work of a healer... it's the work of someone who is afraid they are wrong.

I would appreciate an apology from Nay for personal attacks, I would appreciate an apology from all mods for saying that A cult was formed. Then I will forgive. Live and learn dude.

[Eol007]

quote:Then you, Nay, and James start it up, I am through with this childishness. If you want my forgiveness then stop acting foolish. I wouldn't have to forgive people if they didn't do anything wrong in the first place. Forgiveness does nothing if nobody learned any lessons, but I gueess as a healer you should know that shouldn't you?

Really, acting like children and Jarring up emotions and supressing what people want to say without trying to work through it is not the work of a healer... it's the work of someone who is afraid they are wrong.

I would appreciate an apology from Nay for personal attacks, I would appreciate an apology from all mods for saying that A cult was formed. Then I will forgive. Live and learn dude.

Dear Jason,

Thank you for taking time to respond. I think it is the 1st time someone has addressed me as a healer – thought appreciated.

I am not in a position to be able to apologise on behalf of all the mods. However if you feel that I have done something to personally offend you then I would of course be more than pleased to offer an apology, and wholeheartedly seek and offer forgiveness (in fact take it a read regardless)!

Many blessings,


Stephen []

P.S. All may derive benifet in the adage 'To forgive is to be forgiven'. Please find also attached for your meditations the 12 peace prayers. An apt note regarding them about the author and peace Troubadour James Twyman was left on the http://www.emissaryoflight.com/ site - 'he still feels that the peace prayers offer a unique opportunity'.

I personally feel there is always an opportunity such as this for all of us, myself included (and apologies for the lengthy post): -

"They show us one of the ways we're the same, helping us look past all the ways we seem different and alone."

Hindu Prayer for Peace

Oh God, lead us from the unreal to the Real.
Oh God, lead us from darkness to light.
Oh God, lead us from death to immortality.
Shanti, Shanti, Shanti unto all.

O Lord God Almighty may there be peace in Celestial regions.
May there be peace on earth.
May the waters be appeasing.
May herbs be wholesome, and may trees and plants bring peace to all.
May all beneficent beings bring peace to us.
May thy Vedic Law propagate peace all through the world.

May all things be a source of peace to us.
And may thy peace itself bestow peace on all.
And may that peace come to me also.

Buddhist Prayer for Peace

May all beings everywhere plagued with sufferings of body and mind quickly be freed from their illnesses.
May those frightened cease to be afraid
and may those bound be free.
May the powerless find power,
and may people think of befriending one another.
May those who find themselves in trackless,
fearful wildernesses - the children, the aged, the unprotected - be guarded by beneficent celestials,
and may they quickly attain Buddhahood.

Zoroastrian Prayer for Peace

We pray to God to eradicate all the misery in the world:
that understanding triumph over ignorance,
that generosity triumph over indifference,
that trust triumph over contempt, and
that truth triumph over falsehood.

Jainist Prayer for Peace

Peace and Universal Love is the essence of the Gospel preached by all the Enlightened Ones.
The Lord has preached that equanimity is the Dharma.
Forgive do I, creatures all,
and let all creatures forgive me.
Unto all have I amity, and unto none enmity.
Know that violence is the root cause of all miseries in the world.
Violence in fact, is the knot of bondage.
"Do not injure any living being."
This is the eternal, perennial, and unalterable
way of spiritual life.

A weapon, howsoever powerful it may be,
can always be superseded by a superior one;
but no weapon can, however,
be superior to non-violence and love.

Jewish Prayer for Peace

Come let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, that we may walk the paths of the most high.
And we shall beat our swords into ploughshares, and our spears into pruning hooks.
Nations shall not lift up sword against nation - neither shall they learn war any more.
And none shall be afraid, for the mouth of the Lord of Hosts has spoken.

Shinto Prayer for Peace

Although the people living across the ocean surrounding us, I believe, are all our brothers and sisters, why are there constant troubles in this world?
Why do winds and waves rise in the ocean surrounding us?
I only earnestly wish that the wind will soon puff away all the clouds which are hanging over the tops of the mountains.

Native African Prayer for Peace

Almighty God, the Great Thumb
we cannot evade to tie any knot:
The Roaring Thunder that splits mighty trees;
the all-seeing Lord up on high who sees
even the footprints of an antelope on a rock mass here on earth.
You are the one who does not hesitate to respond to our call.
You are the cornerstone of peace.

Native American Prayer for Peace

O Great spirit of our Ancestors, I raise my pipe to you;
To your messengers in the four winds, and
to Mother Earth who provides for your children.
Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love, to respect, and to be kind to each other, so that they may grow with peace in mind.


Let us learn to share all good things that you provide for us on this Earth.

Muslim Prayer for Peace

In the name of Allah the beneficent, the merciful. Praise be to the Lord of the Universe, who has created us and made us into tribes and nations that we may know each other, not that we may despise each other.
If the enemy incline towards peace, do thou also incline towards peace, and trust God, for the Lord is the one that heareth and knoweth all things.
And the servants of God, most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in Humility, and when we address them, we say "PEACE."

The Baha'i Prayer for Peace

Be generous in prosperity and thankful in adversity.
Be fair in thy judgment, and guarded in thy speech.
Be a lamp unto those who walk in darkness, and a home
to the stranger.
Be eyes to the blind, and a guiding light unto the feet of the erring.
Be a breath of life to the body of humankind, a dew upon the soil of the human heart,
and a fruit upon the tree of humility.

Sikh prayer for Peace

God adjudges us according to our deeds, not the clothes that we wear;
That truth is above everything, but higher still is truthful living.
Know that we attain God when we love, and only that victory endures in consequences of which no one is defeated.

Christian Prayer for Peace

Blessed are the Peacemakers
for they shall be known as the Children of God.
But I say to you that hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.
To those who strike you on the cheek offer the other also, and from those who take away your cloak, do not withhold your coat as well.
Give to everyone who begs from you, and of those who take away your goods, do not ask them again.
And as you wish that others would to do you,
do so to them.

[Blackstream]

Thanks lola for catching me up on what happened : )

As for the rest of this post, I've got no opinion.  I'm as ready as anyone to just move on beyond this, but seeing as wounds keep being reopened I don't know if it's possible to just ignore and forget.

[clandestino]

quote:Then you, Nay, and James start it up, I am through with this childishness.

Spectraldragon, my friend (ha ha), I'm getting a bit fed up of seeing your name cropping up in the midst of situations with the specific intent to fan the flames. If you are through with this childishness, then visit another forum and cause them grief !!!

regards
Mark

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

quote:Then you, Nay, and James start it up, I am through with this childishness.

Spectraldragon, my friend (ha ha), I'm getting a bit fed up of seeing your name cropping up in the midst of situations with the specific intent to fan the flames. If you are through with this childishness, then visit another forum and cause them grief !!!

regards
Mark

The bee again, as I said yesterday. As my parents used to like to tell me alot, it takes two sides for emotions to flare, clandestino. I have forgiven enough times already. Every time I do, one of you guys brings it up again, and emotions flare again. Quite frankly, if you don't want me to fan the flames, don't throw the flames in my direction! Are you guys going to only look at this from your perspective, or for once be fair and look at it from mine?

I was going to give you the synopsis of the bee post yesterday, but if you guys are so adamant about looking at other people for blame instead of looking at YOURSELVES then go ahead and keep making the mistake. Notice I am not the only one doing this, nor am I the only PARTY.

A Piece of advice Clad: KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU POINT FINGERS AND SAY: WRONG!

Ban me if you wish, It's you guys who wished to play this out and make it bigger than what it should be.

Oh, and for the record I have my own forum, and I would like to say that everyone gets along fine thank you because the moderation over at that site CARES ABOUT THE OPINIONS OF THE MEMBERS. And don't say you guys do after this cause obviously with this much bad-mouthing of moderators going on by multiple members you don't care.

I will say what FT said yesterday, big and bold.

ALL THAT IS NEEDED IS A SINCERE OPOLIGY.

That's the last post I will make on this topic, UNLESS, one of you mods decides to keep doing what you were doing before and badmouthing me and my friends, follow me around like scared politicians follow a criminal set loose, and call what I do CULT LIKE. Quite frankly, it's bull, and all of you know it, so understand, apoligize or friggin ban me, one of the two. Make up your damn mind.

[Blackstream]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

quote:Then you, Nay, and James start it up, I am through with this childishness.

Spectraldragon, my friend (ha ha), I'm getting a bit fed up of seeing your name cropping up in the midst of situations with the specific intent to fan the flames. If you are through with this childishness, then visit another forum and cause them grief !!!

regards
Mark

Please don't troll.  If you have to say something, say it without critisizing or insults.  Back handed posts like this only "fan the flames" as you put it.

[BlackBox]

Blackstream,

I've been looking at my hands repetitively for weeks and I've yet to activate lucidity by it.

I did it outside by a neighbours lawn and was consequently hosed down by a very stern lady.

Will chirping like a bird while performing this technique help at all?

---

It's probably just due to the plethora of activities on my plate that are hindering my lucidity. Just felt like sending you a terse note about my progress -- or lack of.

Have a good day.

[Blackstream]

quote:Originally posted by BlackBox

Blackstream,

I've been looking at my hands repetitively for weeks and I've yet to activate lucidity by it.

I did it outside by a neighbours lawn and was consequently hosed down by a very stern lady.

Will chirping like a bird while performing this technique help at all?

---

It's probably just due to the plethora of activities on my plate that are hindering my lucidity. Just felt like sending you a terse note about my progress -- or lack of.

Have a good day.

I'm trying to figure out why you posted something so offtopic in this thread (as opposed to pming me or starting your own thread), and the only thing I can come up with is you are trying to make a diversion.

Anyways, have you been keeping a dream journal of all your dreams?  Try noting dream signs and the such when you do write down your dreams.  That helps.  When you do your reality checks, don't just look at your hands.  Look around your environment and look for common dreams signs or types of dream signs you get.  I can get into that more if you want me to.  If you can't find any, try looking at a digital watch and see if you can change the numbers.  Look away and look back right away and see if the numbers change on their own.  If that doesn't work, you are probably awake.  Then imagine what things would be like if you were dreaming. Imagine yourself doing what you want to do in your next dream.

Finally, make sure that when you go to sleep, you are going to sleep with the intention of not only remember your dreams, but also becoming lucid.  Use the mild technique made up by Stephen La-Burge (or whatever his name is)... it's a good one.  www.lucidity.com has more info on that.  Also use interrupted sleep, as that is a very good technique for inducing not only normal lucid dreams, but also wilds.

Other than that, all I can offer is keep practicing.  Make sure you don't have any mental blocks that might also be keeping you from lucidity.

If nothing else, you might wanna consider also taking a month off or so from lucidity, then return to it with renued vigor.

If this post of yours was made in jest, then never mind all of what I just said.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Blackstream

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

quote:Then you, Nay, and James start it up, I am through with this childishness.

Spectraldragon, my friend (ha ha), I'm getting a bit fed up of seeing your name cropping up in the midst of situations with the specific intent to fan the flames. If you are through with this childishness, then visit another forum and cause them grief !!!

regards
Mark

Please don't troll.  If you have to say something, say it without critisizing or insults.  Back handed posts like this only "fan the flames" as you put it.

Actually that goes for both sides right now.

[Fat_Turkey]

Okay, now seeing as I'm the one who started the whole thread, I'm the one with the most motive to see this through clearly. And seeing as you mods still don't have a clue, I'll clear things up for both sides.

First off, mods. With all due respect, you are suppressors. As Spectral Dragon said earlier in this topic, all you do is suppress ideas and you stop people from venting. Being self-proclaimed healers you should understand that venting and anger are as much a part of healthy human behaviour as anything else. I would be honestly concerned for you if you didn't get ticked off, but when you're angry it is also healthy to work things through rather than to block out things you don't like.

To illustrate this point further, I will give an example of my own. An anecdote if you will. There are some kids that won't listen to your anger and frustration when they're being annoying. They give you that blank stare. I'm sure everyone has been through with it, even our self-righteous Nay. After the blank stare, they reply with something like "why are you angry?" or "you called me stupid, so you must be stupid." In other words, they won't work with you. They suppress your anger and try to be the superior one in the situation, in a very childish manner.

Feeding me and Spectral with pathetic prayers of peace is bovine excrement. I'm sorry for all you sensitive readers, but it is. An honest sincere apology is not decorated with hindu, buddhist, taoist crap. Neither is honest spirituality. Sure, I agree with a lot of taoist, hundu and buddhist philosophy, but giving us prayers? Wow. That's like giving a movie voucher to a friend but instead of a small envelope, you wrap it up in a big box to surprise him. But instead of a movie voucher, there's a hunk of see-through turd.

True apologies consist of people willfully displaying and acting apon the intention to change so as the incident doesn't occur again. In other words, live and learn dude, as SD put it.

Why don't you just do the right thing for once and let people express themselves? Maybe you think the "right thing" is peace and love? You cannot achieve such things without cooperation and being able to work things through.

As for Nay, she is just an epitome of you guys which I had dirt on. In actual fact I'm rather ticked with all of you. You're turning this forum into a church. If you don't know what I mean by that, try going into a church on Sunday and listen to how zombie-like the affirmations of faith, the Lord's Prayer, and all that other stuff sounds. You're turning us into those zombies through your "Mommy they hurt my feelings make them stop" attitudes.

All I want is for you to start understanding and start being our friends. Tisha was our friend. James S is our friend, and he doesn't do this crap. Adrian never shows up. Nay shows up but as soon as you disagree it turns into a heated debate turned WWIII.

So, to summarise for all of those who can't keep up:

-don't suppress our ideas just because you don't like it
        -stop being such babies about people not liking you
        -UNDERSTAND US GOD DAMMIT

And in closing, I'd just like to say that if you move or delete or lock this post, you're only proving my point further on how pathetic you've become. You're only proving that people can't express themselves here.

You're only proving that the Astral Pulse is not a place for free thinkers.

~FT

[James S]

Black Box,

That stern Lady that hosed you down, were you holding your hands in a kind of clawing or cupping manner, and by chance were they roughly aligned with her breasts?

If so I might have the answer for you here, and no, chirping won't help. Well, it might if you were whistling, more to the point WHAT you were whistling!
[]

Actually people, I think this was a rather appropriate post in this topic. It would certainly lead to some more productive discussions.

See, I'm not going to enter into the other discussion, because Spectral privately made a bet with me some weeks ago that I couldn't leave the arguments alone for a week. Since then I believe we've been more or less getting on with more productive discussions in other topics. If he's still miffed at me about my cult crack, even though I feel that I said it as I saw it at the time, I'm sorry I said it. I'm certainly sorry that so much antagonism has risen and engulfed so many others through all this. These "discussions" are certainly not the kind R.B. and Adrian had in mind when starting these forums.

Maybey we could all perhaps think about what kind of discussions they DID have in mind.

I think BlackBox's thoughts were in the right direction, even if the lady with the hose didn't.[]

James.

P.S.
Jason,
I do believe I won that bet![]
I also believe I was a bit short sighted because I neglected to ask you what I'd win! [8]

[Fat_Turkey]

One more thing, that I forgot to add, is that you shouldn't be so hypocritical. You preach forgiveness, but you never turn the other cheek for us.

Forgiveness and apologies mean that you decide that at least one party was wrong, and that the guilty party/parties will cooperate and change for the better, so the incident doesn't occur again.

But, as far as I see it, you still go around blocking, locking, and moving posts around, just because you don't like it.

You shouldn't be so prepared to preach something when you won't follow it yourself.

~FT

[Fat_Turkey]

Thanks James. At least you're willing to apologise and help us build more positive relationships. I think you should know that some mods are being de-modded here for posting on SD's site, and I also think you should know that they are really slamming him for having it.

It's not fair.

~FT

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by James S
See, I'm not going to enter into the other discussion, because Spectral privately made a bet with me some weeks ago that I couldn't leave the arguments alone for a week. Since then I believe we've been more or less getting on with more productive discussions in other topics. If he's still miffed at me about my cult crack, even though I feel that I said it as I saw it at the time, I'm sorry I said it. I'm certainly sorry that so much antagonism has risen and engulfed so many others through all this. These "discussions" are certainly not the kind R.B. and Adrian had in mind when starting these forums.

Maybey we could all perhaps think about what kind of discussions they DID have in mind.

I think BlackBox's thoughts were in the right direction, even if the lady with the hose didn't.[]

James.

P.S.
Jason,
I do believe I won that bet![]
I also believe I was a bit short sighted because I neglected to ask you what I'd win! [8]

No you didn't.

1)

quote:spectral dragon:

Nay has been making comments for the past couple weeks on and off in certain threads that questioned my character. You mods have either ignored it or continued the usuall "adrian and the mods support" chime

2) you entered the discussion in previous thread bud, bet lost.

However, I do appreciate your apolagies. Please don't call us a !@#$ Cult again, it's not the case.

[James S]

DOH!
I thought I hadn't said anything to you for a week!?
Oh well, at least you also neglected to tell me what'd happen if I lost![][]

- James.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by James S

DOH!
I thought I hadn't said anything to you for a week!?
Oh well, at least you also neglected to tell me what'd happen if I lost![][]

- James.

Take another look, the bet was for Nay, not you. []

[James S]

quote:Originally posted by Fat_Turkey
But, as far as I see it, you still go around blocking, locking, and moving posts around, just because you don't like it.

We do have to maintain some control over the content here to keep things relevant and somewhat sane. Posts that have too much anger building up in them, for whatever reason are locked or deleted.

It's no different to watching the Rugby and seeing an Aussie and a Kiwi player start thumping each other. If the umpire doesn't step in, you end up with half the teams or more all get in and thumping each other. Think they call it a melee now.

Funny though I always thought of a melee as involving lots of swords and other weapons. Still I suppose your average Rugby player's fist is a weapon. Their heads certainly are! []

Free speach is all very well, but there comes a point where we have to decide if what's being said is really helping people, or possibly just leading them down the garden path. Adrian's chosen the mods mainly for our experience in particular areas, and that's gotta count for something.

Sorry if you get ticked off with our descisions at times. We do try to play fair, but there's always going to be someone put out by our descisions, and it does get messy at times.

Regards,
James.

P.S.
SD, I thought you made that bet with me too? You mean I could have hassled you in that time? Ahhh... cursed missed opportunities.[}:)][]
[]

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by James S

quote:Originally posted by Fat_Turkey
But, as far as I see it, you still go around blocking, locking, and moving posts around, just because you don't like it.

We do have to maintain some control over the content here to keep things relevant and somewhat sane. Posts that have too much anger building up in them, for whatever reason are locked or deleted.

It's no different to watching the Rugby and seeing an Aussie and a Kiwi player start thumping each other. If the umpire doesn't step in, you end up with half the teams or more all get in and thumping each other. Think they call it a melee now.

Funny though I always thought of a melee as involving lots of swords and other weapons. Still I suppose your average Rugby player's fist is a weapon. Their heads certainly are! []

Free speach is all very well, but there comes a point where we have to decide if what's being said is really helping people, or possibly just leading them down the garden path. Adrian's chosen the mods mainly for our experience in particular areas, and that's gotta count for something.

Sorry if you get ticked off with our descisions at times. We do try to play fair, but there's always going to be someone put out by our descisions, and it does get messy at times.

Regards,
James.

P.S.
SD, I thought you made that bet with me too? You mean I could have hassled you in that time? Ahhh... cursed missed opportunities.[}:)][]
[]

Please note that looking at someone elses viewpoint and trying to understand them and thier feelings is necissary. This has not occured in the case of Nay.

[Blackstream]

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon

Actually that goes for both sides right now.

Yes I know. Believe me, I'm trying my best to stay unemotionally involved when I post, and I hope it's showing.  You have no idea how many times I delete a paragraph, retype it, delete again, and so on, because there's just too much opinionated and inflammitory crap in what I'm writing.

[atalanta]

Off the topic,

EOL007 thanks for the various prayers.  They were amazing to read and gave me a sense of peace reading them.  I think I will print them up and stick them on my door to remember as I wake up each morning.

Peace and prayers to all.

[Fat_Turkey]

James, thank you once again for your strengthening reason.
I agree that you do a great job in maintaining the sanity of the site, especially in the case of the flood of ki kids [|)]

Spectral Dragon's affairs are with Nay, and I support him for it because she seems to be the one who started the whole "SD is a cult leader" crap. That's just not on. She never tries to understand us, and we had just had enough.

EOL007 sent me a PM recently, and I agree with him that it has gone a bit over the top now. I would just like to say that so far both sides seem to have apologised, but I still have to talk to SD about whether or not things are still going politically awkward between the AP and his site.

Thank you deeply for your cooperation.

~FT

[Blackstream]

I can't seem to find it as of today :/  I tried searching (tho the searches just keep getting errors) and checking my recent posts section of my profile, but the thread seems to be absent.

Did someone delete it?  And why not just lock it if so?