moon landing : did we, or didn't we ?

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Flag fluttering? I do not recall seeing the flag flutter in any of the footage I have seen. I am pretty sure we have landed on the moon. I would think that if we had not other nations, especially the USSR at the time, would had prooven it otherwise. I find it kind of odd that they would have a show on this as I think most people believe that we have been to the moon. Though I have heard that the footage shown on tv during the first landing was not live but recorded stuff from other missions. I do not know I was not around on then. Sounds like it was an interesting watch though.

[cainam_nazier]

I have seen so many different videos and such on the moon landings.  All I have to say is, it is possible.  I believe that we ahve been there since the first one at least.  The thing being that there is a small possibilty that the very first landing was faked in order to make people believe that we beet the Russians there.

But as with all conspiracies, there is no solid hold in your hand proof, either way as a matter of fact.


David Rogalski
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[clandestino]

cheers guys  - i'm now 97.8% convinced that we landed up there.

[Tisha]

The jury is out with me.  And I just got a job offer with NASA !!!!!  If they ever knew about my doubts they'd probably withdraw the offer . . .


Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

[clandestino]

well done !!! but just as you got a job offer....an hour ago i found out i didn't get a promotion, my colleague did....ah well, back to the drawing board....


you gonna take the NASA job ?

[Tisha]

Only if I can take my daughter with me!  I have joint custody with my ex, and accepting this job would mean moving 300 miles away.  I speak with an attorney on Monday . . . NASA is even kicking around the idea of a $$$bonus$$$ for me to offset my legal costs.  THAT's flattering.  I'd turned down the job a few weeks ago (I didn't think I could pull it off) but they called me yesterday to up the ante.

If it doesn't work out, at least I get warm fuzzies that they wanted me.  Sigh!


Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

[rodentmouse]

hey ive seen that documentary,   it got me to ponder because some things are so obviously *wrong*  e.g.  the shadow of a piece of equipment facing the sun??  - apprently a floodlight in a hollywood basement?? who knows.

someone told me whos read Neil Armstrongs biography is that whilst on the moon, they recieved a transmission from an unknown source telling them to "go away and never come back"

I hate the fact that America  placed there flag up there as if to "claim"  it. Like its some sort of race/competition,  despite  "one small step for MAN"  

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:Originally posted by rodentmouse:

I hate the fact that America  placed there flag up there as if to "claim"  it. Like its some sort of race/competition,  despite  "one small step for MAN"  

This was a race. This was brought on mostly out of competition because of the cold war. The Russians were the first into space so the US wanted to be the first at some other greatness in space travel. What is greater than reaching out and touching the moon. I am sure it does not seem like something great to us today, but at the time I bet it was quiet an accomplishment. I cannot imagine what it was like living in a world that man had not been to the moon. By the way, when is the last time that anyone has been to the moon?

[Tisha]

That's kind of why I think it never happened.  If we'd really gone to the moon, wouldn't we still be going there?  The rationalization is that "we've gone there and there is nothing else to see; anyway it's too expensive."  Well THAT excuse doesn't hold water at all.   NASA spends BILLIONS of dollars NOT going to the moon, so why not just go?  

Don't tell me there is nothing left to study up there.  Scientists have been playing with the balls of fruit flies for decades and it seems they're STILL learning things about reproduction, and spending millions in grant money on them to boot.  So there must be TONS of things to learn about on the moon.  If we'd really gone to the moon, I figure, billions of dollars of grant money would be spent per year, still, doing one gravity test after another after another.  That's just the way we do things, us humans.

Also, compare our more recent space odysseys to that one supposed 1968 trip to the moon.  What compares to it?  Nothing, my friends, even after decades of technology advances!  I think getting us humans in and out of the boundaries of our earth's outer atmosphere (without killing ourselves) has proven, in reality, to be just toooo hard.

So call me a skeptic.  I'm open minded, willing to be convinced.  Right now I'm just not.  I think the way to visit outer space is via OBE.  No muss, no fuss.


Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

[Tom]

It would not have cost much fuel to bring some other flags also to plant on the moon. It might even have been a classy gesture to bring a flag from the (former) Soviet Union. Sure, that one might not have been placed quite as high as the other flags, but it is nice to be included.

[A-M]

Something else interesting was said in another documentary on the moon. The astronauts reported bright white flashes of light behind closed eyes.
The way they described it, it sounded exactly the same as what RB calls 'strobe effect' in his book (and what I experience too before going to sleep). As you all probably know, his explanation of this phenomenon is surplus energy 'strobing' from the frontal chakra to the crown chakra.

According to the researchers it was due to cosmic radiation of dying supernova's, which penetrates everything, including your head/eyeballs (!)
(and they showed some impressive microscope slides of damaged rocket material  to back this theory up)

Do both forms of energy (cosmic and 'extra-physical') simply cause the same effect in the eyes or is there more to this ??

A-M

[General-Army]

Is it possible to buy a telescope and look for our selves? Im just wondering, or did they land on the other side of the moon?

Every man has their fear of dieing, whether it be of pain or not knowing where you are going, however, mine is the family, memories, and good times i leave behind.

[cainam_nazier]

Like I said.  I think the first time was a hoax to "win" the "race" with the USSR.  How ever I know that we have been there since because there is a rather silly little object that was placed up there.  Basically it is just a beacon, but it used to tell us how far away it is at all times.  Arizona State University is one of the few places that knows how to ping it.


David Rogalski
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I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.
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[clandestino]

well, there won't be any need for a powerful telescope as the Japanese are planning to send a satellite around the moon and photograph it in detail in 2004...

Tom, I like your style ! maybe sticking a mini soviet union flag just under the US one would have been a laugh for Neil Armstrong and his buddies !

Sure, it might have provoked an international incident - but it would have been a laugh none the less !

[Ashfo]

I'm confident we didn't.

Some basic pieces of information....

a) The flag fluttering: There was nobody near the flag, it was waving, not turning around like someone was screwing it in

b) There is no stars: There is no stars in much of the footage

c) There is no blast crater or any sign of rock movement on the moon even though a jet engine just stopped igniting right above it.

d) Footprints are made on dust which should have been blown away by the rocket

e) Double the speed and they are bouncing along and the moon buggy is acting under normal gravity conditions.

f) There is so much radiation out there its estimated you would need 6feet of concrete or 2feet of lead to just stay safe (this is why the Russians gave up - they realised it was undoable.)

g) The camera position of neil armstrong walking out of the lander is impossible - there is no way a camera could have been in that position.

h) Neil armstrong is lit up in some form of lighting even though he should be in the shade from the lander (the lander around him is black)

i) In many of the shots some rocks, people and objects have two shadows. Obviously this is from fake lighting.

j) They are seen running over the same piece of land twice in supposedly two different landings 30km apart.

k) There is a piece of desert in the Nevada that looks identical to an area on "the moon". This doesn't sound substantial, but you haven't seen the likeness.

l) Something like seven of the programs 15-odd prime astronauts were killed in suspicous circumstances because they commented before their death on speaking out and hating hiding things to their family etc.

m) I forget the name of the event, but the rocket that ignited on the ground was very suspicous. I cant remember exact details, but it took the rescue teams way too long to get there and no investigation was ever carried out (the module is in a bunker in one of the top secert air force base areas.)


That's just what I remember off the top of my head.

- Ashfo

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[Avix]

The show on Discovery was very interesting about this subject.

Even the person whom made the cameras for the suits said they cannot take such good quality pictures.   I guess only one real way to know...someone OBE up there and tell us

[Shayde]

Why is it impossible to have fake lighting on the moon? They probley took a light-all or some thing up there with them. It's obvious that the desity of light would be different on the moon since there is less/no atmoshpere for it to reflect off ot.


To many stars, not enough sky.

[Shayde]

I was just informed that you can see the US flag on the moon with a         High-End telescope.




To many stars, not enough sky.

[Rob]

Back again! I've been away for a while but I always like showing off conspiracy theories so here goes...
Shayde - have you ever tried using a torch in full sunlight? You cannot even see its light, and that is after the sun has gone through our atmosphere. On the moon the light of the sun would be incredibly bright, no artificial light would stand a chance. And why bother taking huge powerful torches with you when you are going somewhere it never gets dark? Further, on the lighting thing, shadows from the sun always lie parellel to eachother for obvious reasons. However, on many of the "moon landing" photos the shadows converge to a point just off screen. I mean, come on....
Umm lets see...
Oh yeah when the lander took off it went straight up and left no gas trail after it. It was powered I think by a hydrogen/oxygen mix, as most are, which combines to make water. This would then crystalise and leave a proper big vapour/ice trail but there was none. You can just imagine a little moon lander model being pulled up on strings! The acceleration looked decidedly dodgy to me too, but I can't remember that well.
The lander was tested on earth and was found to be completely useless and impossible to pilot, let alone land. I know they crashed one in tests, probably a few. By the time Mr Armstrong got to the moon he still hadn't successfully piloted one...
err....what else let me see.....something about the videos being shoulder held and yet there is no shaking of the camera, even when it was apparently moving.
And there was something else about the photos, can't remember too well now
anyway Ashfo got most the points - good work! But haven't we all had this discussion before?

[Shayde]

Can't remember who said it, but they said that the first launching was probley a fake. I wouldn't put it past the US government (my goverment) to do some thing like that just so they can win the space race (and look good during the cold war.) The truth is, since then we most likley have gone to the moon. The flag is there on the moon.


















To many stars, not enough sky.

[Tisha]

Just because there is a flag on the moon doesn't mean a human put it there.  We've successfully sent machines into space to do all sorts of fancy things.


Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

[General-Army]

what kind of telescope can i use? How much would it cost? Where can i get one?

Every man has their fear of dieing, whether it be of pain or not knowing where you are going, however, mine is the family, memories, and good times i leave behind.

[Shayde]

Roughly around 400$ or so.







To many stars, not enough sky.

[muzza]

There was proof of tampering / fake photos too in that documentary that was on. The camera lens apparently had crosses etched in the surface for measurements or something and in some photos the crosses fall behind objects which is entirely impossible unless some tampering took place.

I'm still undecided as to whether we have or have not been to the moon...



-- Muzza

[WalkerInTheWoods]

When I said that what footage they showed on tv was not the actually landing I did not mean that the whole thing was fake. I have heard that what they showed the public at the time was footage from other missions where man did not actually set foot on the moon. Atleast some of the footage, but not all of it. I think it was my parents that told me this who were actually there to see it on tv. Maybe someone who watched it can confirm this. I do not know why the government would just say that man has been to the moon when he has not. But then again I do not know why they do a lot of things. I still believe that man has set foot on the moon, though I would like to watch this show so if anyone knows if it is coming on again let me know. As for fake footage, I think it is possible that there is footage of the astronauts practicing in a similar setting on Earth before they actually went to the moon. From everything I have learned about NASA they put them through lots of training. So maybe this show got a hold of this footage and is using it to proove their point.

Some of you sound just like the people that refuse to believe that OBEs are real.