remember oazaki?

[Eric g]

Hmm they deleted the whole thread.. no explanation why (if they deleted it) [xx(]

[BlackBox]

Listen carefully from someone who isn't any authoritative-figure whatsoever.

There is a difference between censorship and a controlled-environment.

Especially when a discussion-board/forum of this size and magnitude is the case. Do you believe the moderators are here to block the truth? Do you believe they are trying to abridge your free-will?

The moderators have all the right to m-o-d-e-r-a-t-e and therefore protect the integrity of this forum from manipulation. Stand-back and look at it from a mature perspective -- playing the victim blinds clarity.

If you cannot handle their rules and protocols, then you are free to establish your own forum, your own discussion-board, and moderate it to your satisfaction. You may see one day that with growth comes responsibility.

[Veccolo]

I almost thought the illuminati got him []

But what about the challenge(s)?

[Nay]

Thanks Blackbox, that was nicely put.

Awakening, I deleted your first flamatory post because it would have been filled with asterisks.[^]  You could have PM'ed one of the Mods but instead you come on the forums, guns a'blazen!

I've been reading people saying, "why not moderate more closely"  but when we do, especially when I do, we get attacked for that. Well, ya'll can't have it both ways.  The thread was removed because  it was getting out of hand.  Period.  If you found talk of killing people entertaining, then perhaps this is the wrong forums for you.

Nay  

EDIT: what about the challenges?  You are more than welcome to contact the great messiah in PM's.  But there will be no talk of killing someone, so please do not start up another thread dicussing just that. It will be removed as well.  Thank-you.

[Aileron]

Lets not forget that a thread of similar subject could easily be created again. There are plenty of reasons why its gone, and I kind of like the fact if not for the reason that certain threads can build a pull of which more people will gravitate towards that hazes interest in other posts and topics.
Not to mention there is no reason whatsoever that we need a thread for Oazaki to constantly be pumping his manipulative resources into over and over again, or for any of us to constantly be reviewing him.

We can always make our own predictions, we are intelligent enough people to do so, and personally I believe in this age more have the abilities in which to predict.

I'm sure to we'll be finding out soon if Oazaki can heal and kill us or whatever.

[Awakening]

is there a difference between being censored and being in a "controlled environment"?
also when i said censored, i was comparing to a television censor. you know, where programming is "moderated" for the general public?
anywho, at risk of THIS thread of mine being deleted, what say we continue it? even the con oazaki found interest in the thread, if only to prove a "fraud" wrong. and to the moderators, give us til' the end of september so that we may all have closure, please. it's like watching a movie and stopping just before it's "supposed" to get good.

[Aileron]

Nay
I apologize for reincurring the topics of which you would like us to stray from. I just posted and didnt realize you did at the same time so I did not read it until after the fact.

[halfphased]

Lame

So, at the request of one person, who after his request was then most interested in keeping the thread alive in order to prove himself and the need for a moderator to show herself that she indeed does have some power over people, we are deprived of the most interesting thread that I have come across in my days on the net.  

There were so many jewels in that thread and I'm not talking about the posts by oazaki only.  There was much to be learned for any person who ventured into that thread and spent some time reading it.  

Of course, I have no idea what was said in the last 10 posts or so, but still...  The internet needs to be kept a place where we can all come together and say whatever it is we want to say and learn to be able to be at peace with what anyone else says.  I would think the people at the astral pulse would be a little more open given their knowledge of the nature of the universe.  All is sacred.  It is all the same stuff.  We can not seperate one from the other.  When we censor people we are censoring our selves.  Of course, saying that I should be at peace with the actions that were taken.  Oh what a world.  I guess I have reacted and lost my center and drifted from my understanding of the universe.  It is confusing (sp) only because I want things to be a certain way that seem better than the way things are and yet I'm struggling with the notion that ultimately it is all for naught.  I am that I am that I am  That Twam Asi    all of this is just my perception and it is not me it is not Real in an ultimate sense.   I want everyone to have the same understanding and then maybe we can be more tolerable and understanding, but then do I fall into the trap again?  

I'm walking down the street and I am happy and at peace and the world seems beautiful and I think that if I can hold that perception and not let it falter in any circumstance I can bring a bit of my world into everyone else's world.  

Well, if someone happens to have a copy of the last page of two of the 2004 thread, please send it my way.  Have a great day everyone.  Hopefully we will get an explanation and maybe the thread will be put back up.  Just remember that it is your ego that is keeping you from putting the thread back up.  That or the delete button really does what it says it does.

Edit:  Well, I see we did get an explanation.  I guess if there was anything close to resembling a black spot on the forums, it was that thread, but whithin it, it also contained some of the brightest posts.  

And I hope that you understand my comments about the moderator that took down the thread.  I just think that I see the truth of part of the matter, but maybe I don't.  I just call it as i see it.  Not trying to be mean or start an argument, but formalities are such a limiting thing.

[Nameless]

Seems a real shame to delete the entire thread, I thought there was a lot of good stuff in those 50 pages.  If some of Oazaki's comments were inappropriate (which I thought they were) then couldn't they have been edited out?  It was a small part of the whole after all.

I kinda saw the thread as an ongoing record of Oazaki's failures and excuses, and so it served a purpose as a cautionary tale about gullibility.  I just hope he doesn't simply go and try plying his trade on some other unsuspecting forum, now that this evidence of his fraudulence is gone.

I guess it's still around in the Google cache but this is really going to feed his martyr complex.

[Nay]

quote:So, at the request of one person, who after his request was then most interested in keeping the thread alive in order to prove himself and the need for a moderator to show herself that she indeed does have some power over people, we are deprived of the most interesting thread that I have come across in my days on the net.

I have no idea what you are talking about, at the request of one person?  and the part about a moderator to show herself that she indeed does have some power over people..  What is it with some of ya'll?  Why such hatred for me and my moderating?  And I thought you said you haven't read that last ten pages, so where does that come from?  The fact that I said, if you do not stop talking about killing I will show you my power in the last page is.....interesting.

Not that I, nor any other mod of the forums have to explain anything, there were other things that lead to the demise of the thread.  

I have no idea why some of you think you are to run these forums the way you want, and complain when it isn't done.  Start your own website and run it the way you want, it really is simple as that.  *wow* just got deja-vu...

Nay

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

  The fact that I said, if you do not stop talking about killing I will show you my power in the last page is.....interesting.

Not that I, nor any other mod of the forums have to explain anything, there were other things that lead to the demise of the thread.  

I have no idea why some of you think you are to run these forums the way you want, and complain when it isn't done.  Start your own website and run it the way you want, it really is simple as that.  *wow* just got deja-vu...

Nay

Nay, if people were talking about killing other people, yes the thread should have been deleted and many of us agree with that, HOWEVER: It is your job as a moderator to listen to the complaints of your peers and respond in kind.

[BlackBox]

Spectral,

Cool down your ego for a moment and try NOT getting involved. Castaneda calls it "not-doing" and it may be useful.

Your message is subtly manipulative.

[Anonymous]

Nay when your moderating we do not mind, when your are being a jerk we do. I have read your posts where you simply told someone to post else where and they were not posting cusswords or killing.  If you had read the post oazaki posted it offered healing to another poster and that person demanded to be killed. This is not a threat it is an offer for healing and it is a shame that you and the other individual don't understand english well enough to understand this.  If you want to dig up his old posts saying that someones Karma will kill them is no different that  saying that If you smoke most likely you will die of Lung Cancer. In fact our government is requiring that on the packages now. Pointing out that the decisions that a person makes will casue them death is exactly what Jesus did and Do you feel a need to shut down a thread becasue I quote him and say the wages of sin is death?   I feel you should stand back and have the administrator step in and read the posts and the explain why they feel this thread should be deleted. They should also explain why you should be allowed as a Moderator to tell people to get off the forum.  Show show us your ability to moderate and have a little fairness now.  

[halfphased]

Well, your comments may well be valid if directed at other people, but given that they were generated in a response to my post they just don't fit.  I have never asked for anyone to moderate anything and I am actually oppossed to it for the most part.  

Yes, I have no idea what the last page of posts said, so I can only go on what I have read.  I stated that so that when you responded to my post you would be able to keep your cool knowing that my response could only be made with a lack of knowledge of what had transpired.

I never said i had not read the last 10 pages.  *scratches head*  Make up things in order to respond to them...? hrm...  I guess I'll give you the benifit of the doubt since 'pages' is simillar to 'posts' in that they both start with the letter 'p' and have at least one 's'  and each contain a total of 5 letters

I have no hatred for the moderating and deffinately not for the person doing the moderating.  I understand it and thus my response is able to come from a different place entirely.  And if any hatred was generated towards me in thinking that I hate then I am sorry for I do not desire to generate hatred from others either, and since I am not yet a master of words, I for the most part try to keep quiet.  

My comment about one person asking for moderation is true.  Velccolo was the only person who asked for someone to come and moderate and lock the forum and right after he asked for this, Nay posted her warning, and then almost immediately after that (relative to length of time the thread had been alive) the thread was deleted.  Of course, since that would seem to be the order in which such an event would happen, that makes sense (I more talking to myself here than anything else)

[Veccolo]

Hmm, I remember it differently. I "asked" for the thread to be locked, then I discussed it with Quiet_Storm and so on, then Oazaki came and made his offer. After that, iirc, Nay came and made her warning because of the killing thing.

But maybe I'm wrong ...

[Nay]

I say tomato..you say tomatoe..hmmmmm..think you have to say that one out loud to get it.

Mikel, thank you ever so much for calling me a jerk.[^]  You've been a member here since what..june, 2004, a couple of months?  I've been here since March, 2003.  It is interesting that noone had a complaint about me and my ways, until a few months ago, because they didn't like the ways of the forums.

And yes, I will say again..if you do not like our forum, then go make your own, that isn't being a jerk that is me saying..  "How dare you come to our house and tell us how to run our household" Adrian started this site, and invited people to come here.  To me that is you visiting our home, a home with rules.  

*shakes head* I knew this was going to be a big whiner thread..[] and here I am wasting my energy on this..and NOT talking about my OOBE's...man..this has got to stop.

Nay

[halfphased]

Veccolo, that fits with how I remember things also.  As i said, I am not a master of words and even if I were, I am unable to prevent people from deriving meaning from those words as they see fit.

[halfphased]

actually it's more like I say "posts" and you say "pages"  [)] *rimshot*  lol

[Awakening]

well, it is whining, whining in hopes of putting up the thread again. besides the insults, mikel really did have a good point when it came to killing someone, something i might add was asked for. it wasnt oazaki murdering someone, it was sending all someones karma at someone all at once. like someone pointed out, its just like the crow "thirty hours of pain, all at once"
im sorry if this thread causes you any bother, thats not my intent, and bless you for your time in moderating, etc. etc.
but to sum it all up
"can oazaki come out to play?"

[Nay]

quote:Originally posted by Veccolo

Hmm, I remember it differently. I "asked" for the thread to be locked, then I discussed it with Quiet_Storm and so on, then Oazaki came and made his offer. After that, iirc, Nay came and made her warning because of the killing thing.

But maybe I'm wrong ...

Actually the thread was brought to my attention by more than one person in PM..  The fact that Veccolo and others said something had no bearing on the topic being removed.  Sheesh, people please, can we move on?  I mean, did you just loose a loved one or something?  I think alot of people love to make mountains out of moles hills, for the sake of entertainment.  But I find this type of entertainment a waste of time and energy.  


Has anyone seen the movie "defending your life"? with Albert Brooks..funny, funny, film.  Anyway, I say that because if you have, remember the scene where they are at the Restaurant, and Brooks is all freaked out because of his prosecuter is there?  His then new love interest Meryl streep, stands up and says... "I pray to God when I come back you've changed"

That is me right now, I'm kissing ya'll on the foreheads and saying.."I pray to God when I come back, you've changed"

Nay

[halfphased]

But isn't that a little condescending?  Change in what way?  So we are more like your ideal of what things are suppossed to be like?  Why is that the correct way?  What makes you so certain?  How can you prove it?

Why do we need to stomp on mole hills? and if we do stomp on them, isn't that going to upset the moles?

Why is your life and ideals more worth of defense than ours?  

[halfphased]

because becasue because because; because of the wonderful things she does!

[Nay]

HEHEHEHEHE..oh my...[]

I meant change like, lets have on some happy faces and stop complaining about every little thing that is done by me or the other mods..

Not sure about the stomping of moles hills.. that is an expression that people are making a big deal out of nothing...

quote:Why is your life and ideals more worth of defense than ours?

I was talking about a MOVIE...yep, moles hills, and entertainment.[]

Nay

[Awakening]

but naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. haha

i hear that multiple people pmed you, but what about us, what about the people who are requesting the other way.
the needs of the many outway the needs of the few. so who are the many, and who are the few?
reconsider.

[Quiet Storm]

It is still opression. And I am not getting specific as to what KIND of opression it is, because it is deep, I really thought about this But you all can figure it out for yourselves.

The last page was good. I read it. Though I don't remember much besides the fact that Mikel, Palehorse and I posted what I thought were *very* informative posts at the end for all to learn. I know that the thread ended right after my last posting, and I was very pleased with it. I thought my words would be and introduction to a 'higher' perspective for some people consisting of 'higher' truth to view the topic Mikel Palehorse and I were discussing (right just at the end).

And this is not me just being self-ish, but neither self-less. Like I said I was just extremely pleased with our (the people I mentioned) last posts and I thought PLENTY would benefit from the information.

But anyways...I am just expressing my thoughts on the matter. If the thread is to remain deleted then I accept it as a being. If not, I accept it as being also.