How do YOU change the physical from the astral?

[Saints]

Hey Astralspinner,

I don't think this is accurate!  Although, this is really a very cool idea. On a larger scale (conceptual) if I could do the transformation 'thing' I would redesign my body on the astral plane into its younger age and slip it over my declining body and rejuvinate myself. Then,I'd do the same for my wife and then I'd go into the underground market and sell my trade to those willing to pay and make a fortune!!!!

quote:Originally posted by astralspinner

There's an article on the main Pulse website about doing magic from a projection: Right here

The writer wanted a new car, so she overlaid an astral image of a new car over her current, unreliable old car. Hey presto, a new car turned up.

So it's evidently possible to do magic from a projection to make things happen in the physical. I'm just curious to know if other people use different methods to do magic from a projection, or if everyone just uses imagery?

If so, how do you choose the site to place the image? For instance, the author of that article wanted to replace her car, so she placed a new car image on her old car. If someone without a car wanted one, where would they place that image?

[astralspinner]

quote:I don't think this is accurate!

What do you think the inaccuracies are?
Obviously, I've not tried it myself, not having managed an OBE yet, but it seems to have worked well for the author..

quote:I would redesign my body on the astral plane into its younger age

Heh - yet another reason for people to learn AP - loose weight and vanish wrinkles!

[kampersdream]

Saints, the author is not talking about physically changinig thier car. they are being given a newer one, presumally influenced by the visualization of the author.

[Adept_of_Light]

To understand how the Astral influences the physical we must first understand the basic co-relation between the mental, astral & physical planes. All that we manifest on the physical plane originates first in thought (mental plane). "If man can not first imagine it, he can not create it". Between the mental plane and the physical overlays the Astral plane. Accessing the Astral plane to influence the physical plane is indeed very possible, but success hardly comes as easily as the author makes it sound. It may indeed be simple or easy for the author to do, but this does not mean that it is easy for everybody else to do. Just as the marathon (42K) runner describes how simple it is to run 10K doesn't mean everybody out there will be able to do it, or if they can, likely not even half as fast/well.

First one requires the ability to enter the astral plane (not to mention the right Astral plane). Then one requires the necessary amount of energy in the astral plane, then the mental clarity within the astral plane which requires one keep a calm and non-wandering mind (this is alredy a fairly difficult task for the beginner since every wondering thought tends to manifest into something and cause distractions and reality fluctuations in the Astral plane).  Next you require the right technique to influence the physical plane.

It is not beyond the scope of even the beginner to manifest "things" in the Astral plane, but the mere manifestation of things in the Astral does not automatically also cause them to influence or appear in the physical plane - far from it.

On the other end of the scale, it is possible to manifest things in the physical from the physical, although the process does initiate first as a *highly* concentrated thought with much power and focus which accumulates huge amounts of energy in the astral plane and then out of *seemingly* thin air, the manifestation takes place in the physical. There are other methods as well which involve the teleportation of physical matter, the accumulation & transformation of pranic energy, kaballistic sacred power Words, manifestation by third party entities, channeling divine power in through chakras, converting it and forming physical matter, etc.. the methods are numerous.  The type of manifestation the author is making reference to though is a far lower form that is not as specific and which requires a much lower degree of concentration, technique & overall power... still it is hardly a task that the vast majority of beginners will have any kind of immediate success with, but do try and try and try again; without effort nothing is accomplishable - that much I guarantee.

Adept of Light

[__--nezabaleta--__]

I think you all must to ask Nita about such a purposes. Anyway, self profit, seems to be locked by our higher being, I though.
NEZabaleta

[Saints]

Hi Adept of Light, I like your explanation of the astral plane.  I was wondering if you knew of any good books or articles on the physics, substance, and essence of astral matter.  Based on my limited experiences, the astral plan is stratified and navigable by desire and focused-will. In its more solid form its-the-earth; in a lighter form its like being in a large white/gray cloud that responds to our will by shaping itself; and then in a finer level, it becomes vivid with intense colors, shapes and sounds and then there is the more subtle areas where the light is not being buffered by the stratified lower seferots and its not-really describe. I've read from Monroe and others but I've run out of material to read.  I want reading material that will give me more information on the physics of the astral plane and its origin.  I'm reading heavily on Kabbalah and I'm reading the Zohar but I find it difficult to locate physics that's operationalized for astral travelers.  I did find a real cool site by Colin Low and it helped a lot.  I was hoping you had a few leads.  Thanks

quote:Originally posted by Adept_of_Light

To understand how the Astral influences the physical we must first understand the basic co-relation between the mental, astral & physical planes. All that we manifest on the physical plane originates first in thought (mental plane). "If man can not first imagine it, he can not create it". Between the mental plane and the physical overlays the Astral plane. Accessing the Astral plane to influence the physical plane is indeed very possible, but success hardly comes as easily as the author makes it sound. It may indeed be simple or easy for the author to do, but this does not mean that it is easy for everybody else to do. Just as the marathon (42K) runner describes how simple it is to run 10K doesn't mean everybody out there will be able to do it, or if they can, likely not even half as fast/well.

First one requires the ability to enter the astral plane (not to mention the right Astral plane). Then one requires the necessary amount of energy in the astral plane, then the mental clarity within the astral plane which requires one keep a calm and non-wandering mind (this is alredy a fairly difficult task for the beginner since every wondering thought tends to manifest into something and cause distractions and reality fluctuations in the Astral plane).  Next you require the right technique to influence the physical plane.

It is not beyond the scope of even the beginner to manifest "things" in the Astral plane, but the mere manifestation of things in the Astral does not automatically also cause them to influence or appear in the physical plane - far from it.

On the other end of the scale, it is possible to manifest things in the physical from the physical, although the process does initiate first as a *highly* concentrated thought with much power and focus which accumulates huge amounts of energy in the astral plane and then out of *seemingly* thin air, the manifestation takes place in the physical. There are other methods as well which involve the teleportation of physical matter, the accumulation & transformation of pranic energy, kaballistic sacred power Words, manifestation by third party entities, channeling divine power in through chakras, converting it and forming physical matter, etc.. the methods are numerous.  The type of manifestation the author is making reference to though is a far lower form that is not as specific and which requires a much lower degree of concentration, technique & overall power... still it is hardly a task that the vast majority of beginners will have any kind of immediate success with, but do try and try and try again; without effort nothing is accomplishable - that much I guarantee.

Adept of Light

[Rastus]

Re-Read what Nita wrote.  I think you've mis-interpreted it.

She didn't 'litterally' change an old car into a new one.  She used the AP as a way to visualise what she wanted, and as a construct to store the energy.  The path of least resistnace is to get a new(er) car, as opposed to a transmutaion of the old car(that's a lot of energy, if you have that much energy, you don't need a car, jsut bi-locate).  And the easiest way to get a new car is most likely finding a good deal on one, or coming into some money.

[Saints]

The inaccuracies are her assertion that physical manifestations occur at the astral level. I've read that the development of physicality actually occurs above the proto-mental level and then descends through the various astral levels to the physical.  By starting the process at the lower astral level, you don't have the input/influence from the upper levels in the final product. I never read anywhere where somebody can act as a proxy for the upper level processes.

quote:Originally posted by astralspinner

quote:I don't think this is accurate!

What do you think the inaccuracies are?
Obviously, I've not tried it myself, not having managed an OBE yet, but it seems to have worked well for the author..

quote:I would redesign my body on the astral plane into its younger age

Heh - yet another reason for people to learn AP - loose weight and vanish wrinkles!

[Tisha]

I've effected changes in other realms that were reflected in the here-and-now when I "woke up." I did not bring back an object, but willed a change to an existing one: my cat-familiar, McKenzie.

It was almost by accident. He was old, skinny, scraggly and ill. He jumped on my bed and disturbed my deep-state. As I was coming out of it, I had a deep, deep wish for him to be young and healthy again. Amazingly, he was suddenly all poofy and fluffy and wide-eyed! I kept running my hands through his new fur, all amazed, for days.

Unfortunately for both of us, the effects did not last for long. A few days and it had all faded away, and McKenzie was his old, snaggle-toothed self again. He died a few years ago, I miss him []

[Saints]

Trish...
Well now....that's what I'm talking about.  If you try to short-circut the process, you get chaos.  Ya gotta-go-out to the source, plant, and then trick-down energy to have durability in the effect.

quote:Originally posted by Tisha

I've effected changes in other realms that were reflected in the here-and-now when I "woke up." I did not bring back an object, but willed a change to an existing one: my cat-familiar, McKenzie.

It was almost by accident. He was old, skinny, scraggly and ill. He jumped on my bed and disturbed my deep-state. As I was coming out of it, I had a deep, deep wish for him to be young and healthy again. Amazingly, he was suddenly all poofy and fluffy and wide-eyed! I kept running my hands through his new fur, all amazed, for days.

Unfortunately for both of us, the effects did not last for long. A few days and it had all faded away, and McKenzie was his old, snaggle-toothed self again. He died a few years ago, I miss him []

[astralspinner]

There's an article on the main Pulse website about doing magic from a projection: Right here

The writer wanted a new car, so she overlaid an astral image of a new car over her current, unreliable old car. Hey presto, a new car turned up.

So it's evidently possible to do magic from a projection to make things happen in the physical. I'm just curious to know if other people use different methods to do magic from a projection, or if everyone just uses imagery?

If so, how do you choose the site to place the image? For instance, the author of that article wanted to replace her car, so she placed a new car image on her old car. If someone without a car wanted one, where would they place that image?

[alwayson]

I would like more information on doing magic from AP'ing

[lifemagic]

How do you know that the right 'intention' is manifesting though?

You project, and then create a shiny new red sports car over your standard old car, then wake up to go out in the drive and find your cars just been crashed into by a sports car.

Perhaps you should state intention somehow when doing this.

[Reptilian]

It's impossible to change the physical from the astral, the astral has absolutely nothing to do with the physical. It isn't even possible with the etheric as far as manifesting an object completely out of nowhere.