Sounds of the Outer World

[mazdaaf]

1 and 2) in astral dynamics it explains about this-- and i agree that the sounds could be a few things. It could be astral wildlife that doesnt want us to project just because when we are in our astral form we can pretty overpower them because of the fact that we can create anything to get rid of them. Plus they just like scaring us.

Also, some of the sounds can be becasue of the fact that u are getting close to the mind awake/body asleep line so your mind is still thinking and u sometimes hear things becuase of that (like when u are about to project you hear sounds).

I dont believe they are indicating something dangerous becuase ive never found anything dangerous when OBEing or anything. Ive never heard of anyone thats had any thing bad happen to them because if something did scare them, then tehy just went back to their bodies.

3) i have that too in my room. It has something to do with the heat or something that makes your walls move a tiny bit which makes a loud knocking sound (not much dont worry lol). im not sure of the specifics but its something like that. thats nothing to worry about. im not sure bout the furniture knockings though :-/

4) ive never really had any sounds of great beauty when dreaming, but if a songs playing when im sleeping or i have a song stuck in my head when i fall asleep, it tends to play in the background of my dream. So maybe if u play some nice music in the background when u sleep u'll hear it in ur dreams.

hope that helps!

~*~ Mazdaaf ~*~

[Kazbadan]

thanks!

about 3 it´s what i would expect

1 and 2 questions were some preocupation that i had, related wth negs and wild astral life.

Many people says that depressions are caused by negs. Since i have depressions i am afraid to find some neg when obing formy first time.

Is there any way to get ride of it (negs) without obing?


About question 4, the music that i speak about it is music that dont exist (at least in earth  ). I remember some hints of a dream with a beautiful music that i had once in a day.  Maybe dream incubation its a good idea.


thanks again

[General-Army]

I can usualy almost always remember my dreams, but very rarely i hear this music, the last time i heard one of these songs had to be about a year ago and i think i can remember 2 or 3 times altogether. This music was like no other, it brought out emotion. I know i never heard it before and alittle after i woke up, i forgot most of the song but I remember a few parts of it.

[Kazbadan]

Giuseppe i-don-know-what, a musician with some centurys of age, dreamed one day about a music played by Satan. The music was beautiful and when he wake up, he tried to imitate. That "imitation" it is now in the form of a music but, as Giuseppe says (i think that it was that the name) it is really nothing when compared with the music he dreamed about.

[mazdaaf]

thats awesome even if it was by satan... 2 reasons i wanted to astral project was so i could go and hear new sounds and see new colors that arnt on earth. i hope i get to someday .

About a way to get rid of negs w/o obeing im not really sure because ive never had that problem. i assume if u dont think about things that scare you it will keep them away cause fear is what makes them powerful. ive heard of people who use candles and incents to keep away negs and such, so maybe you could try something like that.

~*~ Mazdaaf ~*~ []

[Hannah b]

Originally posted by Kazbadan



Hi Kazbadan,
3- Sometimes, at night, after turn off the lights, i will hear some noises in my room, like some kind of knock on the furniture. Maybe it is because there is no more light (and hot consequently) and because of that materials will expand a little, causing the noises. The problem is that they are strong and when one occurs, imediatly many (2-3) others will occur in its vicinity, in other furnitures(example: i hear knocks on the lamp, then in the desk then in some other furniture).  

Let me put it this way...I don't believe in furniture expanding. I know it sounds freaky but i believe that there is just some lost soul, negative or positive. What I do is welcome it, and tell it to go home, towards the light. It does work soone or later.

4- I know that some people, when dreaming, will hear amazing musics of great beauty. What can i do to hear that "Celestial Music"?

Very often I hear great music in my trips. It didn't happen on the beginning, but what I noticed is that with time, th evil voices and unwanted sounds  'transformed" themselves into music. I think it all began one day when I was very tired of hearing the bad stuff and asked whoever was in charge of the audio system in the astral, to play something nicer. With time it did change.
I did hear very beautiful music a few times, don't know if it was the famed Celestial music, but it made me cry like a baby..so maybe?[]

When you all hear the "evil" voices, have you tried to ask them to play music instead??

[Kazbadan]

Thanks Hanna! Its of good help what you said.

ABout your Celestial Music, do you consider it more beautiful than any music heard in earth (in normal life)? Or is it just beatiful as any other music?


About the noises in my room, why do you believe in the spirits hypothesis, instead of the materials being expanding (the most probable maybe)?


thanks

[Naiad780]

1)  I think it's like when you go into a dark, spooky basement, you might get the shivers and feel uneasy.  There's really nothing evil about the basement but it just SEEMS scary, so you get goosebumps, notice every little noise, etc.  Paralysis also just seems scary but your subconscious is so much stronger during that time, so all those things seem more vivid.

2)  Don't know!  I get the knocks, too, but they're inside my head.

3)  Try lucid dreaming, and then asking for some music or even try singing yourself

[Kazbadan]

No, the knocks that i hear are not from my head. They are very real and loudy (i dont know if this is the correct word, i wanna mean "very audible").

[Hannah b]

HI,

"ABout your Celestial Music, do you consider it more beautiful than any music heard in earth (in normal life)? Or is it just beatiful as any other music?"


I 've never heard anything so beautiful in normal life. It sounded like angel choir, there was also this nice loving feeling in the air and lots of peace and quietness.

"About the noises in my room, why do you believe in the spirits hypothesis, instead of the materials being expanding (the most probable maybe)? "


hmmm...I dunno...I guess it's because I often feel that "something" is watching me, or just is around. Materials expanding? Why don't I hear them during the day?..Also I don't think that walls can expand (knocking on the walls or the ceiling)..

[Kazbadan]

Sorry to say Hanna, but your post it is a little strange. Did you forget any answer or something like? I ask this because you put a question of mine and then you dont answer, and besides that the "quotes" are a lttle strange too.

Sorry to ask.

thanks~

[CptPicard]

quote:Originally posted by Kazbadan


3- Sometimes, at night, after turn off the lights, i will hear some noises in my room, like some kind of knock on the furniture. Maybe it is because there is no more light (and hot consequently) and because of that materials will expand a little, causing the noises. The problem is that they are strong and when one occurs, imediatly many (2-3) others will occur in its vicinity, in other furnitures(example: i hear knocks on the lamp, then in the desk then in some other furniture).

In actual fact the noises are always there... but you just choose not to listen to them...

But when you switch of the light your hearing senses improve significantly making you much more aware of the noises happening around you. Your concentration will improve and once you hear one noise subconsciously you're then only focusing on the noises and nothing else, which makes the noises seem even more frequent and louder.

[Kazbadan]

No, i think that it is not that (that only part of the explanation), because i tried to figure out if that it was the problem and i can tell you that will hear less (or none) sounds before i get into sleep. I notice too that the sounds are produced near heat producers. So, after i turn off my pc, my tv and lights, sounds will start sometime after. Why? Because they have no more heat and wil expand (whatever) producing the sounds.

I think i found the explanation (resuming: it iwhat you said + materials expanding because of temperature).

[Hannah b]

quote:Sorry to say Hanna, but your post it is a little strange. Did you forget any answer or something like?

Lol Kazbadan...eghm..it was just me trying to be smart about the "quote" function..I think I overdid it this time[]
Btw, I re-edited it especially for you[]

[Kazbadan]

thank you Hanna, i think that after you saying that it was more beutiful than any other music, i will start learning dream incubation! Maybe with that i can hear the same music....

[Hannah b]

Good luck Kaz! And try asking for the voices to change...tell them they are boring and ask them to play music instead[]

[lilacsky22]

your mind is in full control!!!!. I also exspereince strange sounds, honestly I beleive it is spirits in the other realms, because I can feel their energy around me and in other rooms.I usually ignore them and drift off or leave my body shortly after I hear the sounds, They could also be your minds productions giving you signals that you are ready to leave to another state"sleep"
Another thing is when everything is shut off and quiet you are more apt to hear things you normally would not hear, which is a good thing, perhaps you should take a moment to relax and just lay there listening to soft music playing and let the music take you to another world, once you do this a few times, you will incorperate music on all levels of the mind, also as a musician I know music enhances and opens the mind to new doorways!!!!! try it.[][]

[skt2k4]

Like someone else said, according to astral dynamics, astral wildlife like to create auditory and tactile hallucinations to creep you out. Ignore all auditory noises, I hear that sometimes the astral wildlife use voices of people we know. So when trying to AP, if you hear someone trying to break your house down or your mom yelling fire, remember that the odds of this happening in reality at this very moment RIGHT when you're on the border of APing are VERY slim, so just relax and try to ignore it.

[Kazbadan]

After getting a little drunk, last night (summer partys...[]) when i went to sleep i started to hear disco music. It was nice music and i was able to control the "direction" taken by the structure of the composition. I didnt have to much control but it was fun. I was unable to transform that music into "celestial music".

[Dorian]

My wife and I have heard knocking sounds in our bed room while we were reading RB's book psychic self defence.  They were quite loud never heard them before then and all the lights were on, tv and everything.  She is quite sensitive and knew it was around a week or so before the noises.  All kinds of weird and wild stuff started happening around the house, I wont get into all.  However once it was cracking on the crown moulding about my side of the bed, you could tell by the hollow type sound, anyway, just to mess with it I commented out loud, "I hitting the crown moulding", to see if it would respond, and sure enough the knocking moved over to the closet.
This little guy has changed me alot I can tell you that.  All the education in the world dosn't prepare you for a real proformance from a good strong spook, who is very motivated, intelligent and self-aware.

[Kazbadan]

Thats quiet scary! Sometimes i have the sensation that the more you study psychique defense, the more you will atract these monsters. Is this thought correct?

For example, you Dorian, were reading that book on psy-defense and then you were atacked.

Why does this happen?

[astralspinner]

quote:Thats quiet scary!

Umm.. no it isn't. It's a harmless noise. A knife flying through the air and missing you by inches would be a scary ghost. A ghost that can't do anything but make silly noises is nothing to be scared of.

Why is it that people find anything connected with ghosts so terrifying? I mean, I know one girl who refuses to go into a friend's house because you can occasionally hear a a ghost in the house NEXT DOOR turning off a power switch. (The old lady who used to live there always turned off the switches before going to bed - her ghost still does)

How is this scary? A ghost flicks a switch, so you must run screaming from the building?

Truly harmful spirits capable of moving things and causing genuine problems are scary. Harmless noises aren't. It's like saying that Black Widow spiders are scary, therefore house spiders are terrifying. House spiders are harmless. Noises made by spirits are harmless. Being scared of either is irrational.

What makes ghosts such a scary topic? "I heard a noise, there was no-one there, so I ran away screaming" is a common enough theme in ghostly encounters. Why?? What exactly is so worrying?

[Kazbadan]

Its scary because you are not used to that and because you know that they want you bad.

Of course if i know exactly the spirit doing the noises and what he wants, maybe i could react differently.

[Astral-Jas]

Last night when I took the "trance elevator" down to OBE station I was hearing things too!Lmao... Not in the physical world(I think). []

I was in a full trance, maybe even deeper, and started to hear bursts of radio music and heard children playing in the distance!
At first I was startled but then started feeling comfy. The children playing and yelling was kinda soothing. I was in a trance for close to an hour I think.   []

[Kazbadan]

I have some questions related with sounds:

1- why do we hear strange and evil sounds (chains, pain, etc) when we have sleep paralysys. Why the evil sounds and not good ones?

2- If we only hear evil sounds, does that mean that they are warning us for not obing? Are they indicating something dangerous?

3- Sometimes, at night, after turn off the lights, i will hear some noises in my room, like some kind of knock on the furniture. Maybe it is because there is no more light (and hot consequently) and because of that materials will expand a little, causing the noises. The problem is that they are strong and when one occurs, imediatly many (2-3) others will occur in its vicinity, in other furnitures(example: i hear knocks on the lamp, then in the desk then in some other furniture).  

4- I know that some people, when dreaming, will hear amazing musics of great beauty. What can i do to hear that "Celestial Music"?

I know that this questions are from different natures, but they are tied with the same element, sound.

thanks