Watch this

[manuel]

wow thank you for that!

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Hmmm very interesting. That's all i can say.

[aninfinity1717]

I always knew the government planned and covered everything. Why does people keep ignoring me???

Pentagon explosion.. it's a plubic ritual to affect consciousness in respect to reality, and to signal other globalist plans.

Twisted Serpent-possessed by rites.. among Serpents.

okay fine..
OR,
it could just be a missile from ___.

[Logic]

That was amazing, I completly forgot all about that. I don't really know what to say..

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Of course it's very easy to get carried away with conspiracy theories. A flash movie on the internet is not conclusive evidence of anything.
It's something to think about, but i don't think it should be taken taken too seriously just yet.

[atalanta]

I agree with Euphoric Sunrise.  Its flashes of images which we can not test out.  

For example, go back and have a look at those plane crashes in the fields.  First of all notice that they have not shown images of planes in buildings, but planes in open fields.  Nevertheless, even these if you look at them, despite the fact that they have wings, etc, they make very narrow needle shape destruction on the ground.  The plane going into the pentagon would have done exactly that, like a bullet going through a body causing a very sharp narrow path of destruction.

Secondly, all you see is images of the officials carrying things away, and we are suppose to believe that that is the hidden missile, but thats just an assumption.  Maybe they were carrying away pieces of the plane, maybe they carried out hundreds of pieces but this just shows us one picture, implying that they found the missile piece and hid it.

Thirdly, the missing videos that the agents took away so quickly.  Really, if they weren't in there quickly, what is the bet that people would be using those videos to make money or that they would get taped over or lost.  They were vital pieces of evidence and I would have accused them of incompetence if the hadn't done it.

Finally, they seem to have a clip of the plane going into the building and yet we are to believe all video pieces disappeared, well there is obviously one that got away.  That aside, if they had the ability to make off with a piece of video I suggest they also had a chance and technology to enlarge the photo in such a way as to show us exactly what flew into the pentagon.

One more thing I just thought of, the pilots, who is to say that they were not pretending to be dumb for the purposes of not exposing their real intentions.  One more thing, what happened to all those people on that flight and their families when they didn't come home.

Personally, I think it is an insult to the families who lost loved ones.  Its not bad enough that they lost them but now they have to sit through nonsense like this.

I would have to see a lot more evidence than this to believe that some conspiracy took place.

[clandestino]

Great website !!

It seems odd that a passenger jet would tear through 3 sections so neatly. I'd guess that it would crumple on impact.

But then again, I'm a sucker for conspiracy theories...I've stood by them in the past & been proven wrong. So, I take anything like this with a pinch of salt.

Having said that, the US govt would never admit that a fighter jet (possibly even a stolen jet) was flown into the pentagon....

[Kazbadan]

Yes, i agree with you  Atalanta. Maybe it could exist some conspiracy outhere but just see this:
-The plane it is from a company, and for certain the FBI must have told that to the News. If they didnt, the reporters asked for shure and they had an answer.

Since the aircompany its known to the public there is a little problem here: the FBI could not lie about it because the President and personal from that company would speak: "Hey, they are lying, our planes are good and we had no accidents!". I mean, every people would know that there were no accident because many people would speak.

You cannot make a such big lie like that, hiding a plane! What about the people that saw their familiars dying in the crash? Thats not a lie!

I think thats very difficult to hide something (and lie about that) so big as a plane! Besides that, they would not have time to hide all the evidences (tapes,etc).

Something its wrong here (in the video) and i think we should send a message to the guy that created because it is a lie indeed (very probable) he is offending the family of the deceased ones!

[clandestino]

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

[atalanta]

So now its not a missile, as in the first conspiracy theory, its a truck loaded with explosives! [}:)]  The first conspiracy says that the missile went through, I think it was to the fourth inner ring and even showed a hole but of course it was a missile that caused the hole not the nose of a jet.  The second conspiracy now has us to believe that none of the inner circle was touched, just the outer wall. In the second conspiracy they show a truck placing sand on the ground and they suggest this is to cover up something, however they don't say when the picture was taken.  Was it taken hours after the explosion or weeks later as part of the rebuilding process.

Here is where the plane went, it INCINERATED INTO A BILLION LITTLE BITS.  That is why it cant be found, it disintegrated and disintegration means making something really huge, into tiny little bits maybe into nothing.  Even in the second conspiracy when they write down what the authority figure says, he states that he doesn't know where the plane went but some small pieces were found, therefore, confirming in my opinion, that there was a plane there.  But we are not meant to believe that part, just the parts that suggest some big government conspiracy.

One more thing, don't you hate how these conspiracy theoriests never actually tell you point blank what they think it really is and who they are and what qualifications they have to make such judgements about the physics of this whole thing.  Me thinks this is some pimply, 17 year old dork in goth cloths sitting in some dark room who hasn't got anything better to do.

One more question, why is it that on a site like this there isn't a rolling eyes smilie?  MMM...?  [}:)] []

I love conspiracy theories, and mystery novels/movies, fantasy, etc.[]

[Jenia_San]

[:O][8D][]
that is all I can say.

[Kazbadan]

Good point Atalanta!

[atalanta]

Gee, and I had thought that I had made several good points![] [)]

[:I]

[Nagual]

All I can say is that there are many strange things about this plane crash...  and I don't buy the "it disintegrated" explanation...  When you look at the angle of the impact, the nice round hole with most windows around it still there, that's weird...

But I agree that it would not be easy to manage a fake crash.

Too bad they confiscated all the surveillance videos from the surrounding hotels/buildings...

But it's old; a guy wrote a book on it in 2002.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1592090265/qid=1094211294/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-9820691-0727064?v=glance&s=books

Another site:
http://0911.site.voila.fr/index.htm

[Kazbadan]

Nagual, i must admit that there is something stange. Maybe its just an exploit (from the creators of the "theorie of conspiration") of a normal situation. Maybe its just a normal thing about the crash and these guys are turning it into a conspiracy, althought i must admit the misterious photos/evidences.

Now, the problem as i said before (and Atalanta) its about the dead people. If there was no crash, what about the plane they talk about? What about the people that died?
In fact there were dead people in a crash plane isnt it? So, how can they "forge" such deads (if we admit that there was no crash)? HOe can we handle we this paradosxal situation: no crash plane + dead people in a crash plane?![?]

IF it was not that "little" problem, maybe the conspiracy it would be real. Thats not hard to accetp if you look at all lies that Bush Admn, created (with Irak, 9/11, etc).

Anyway, thanks for that link, its interesting to see[]

[Nagual]

Maybe the plane did crash, just not in the pentagon...
Maybe it did not crash, but the militaries did decide to shoot it down but tried to hide it for fear of a scandal...
Of course, it is pure speculation...  I just wanted to say that there could be other explanations.

[LogoRat]

Its a fact tho, that government are giving the public a different version of truth.
Why do they do that!?!?

Then you can go on rabbling about if it was a truck, a missile or a rabbit full of explosives that made the hole.

But the thing is that they are giving people false information, tho that is nothing new when it comes to public information..but people should take things like this seriously instead of just saying..ahh its just a conspiracy.

Conspiracy is a word that has been played out through TV, Movies, News.. almost always making it look like people with other angles of information are bad people with paranoia.

Soon they will say: Conspiracy is EVIL, its a Terrorist Act.
Kill em.. kill em all.

What makes information from TV more correct than one person in the street giving his version of the truth.

Most people think that what you see on the News is more correct than some ordinary person on the street.. now why is that.
Why is it that most people laugh when someone talks about conspiracy.
Why is it that many look at conspiracy as bad information.

Maybe most people are beeing fed with information every day for several hours,..with only just one view of reality.
Maybe that is why they think aggresivly towards conspiracy information.

Maybe this information we have seen is total bull, and nothing serious.. but it still gives people a chanse to observe and examine themselves on how closeminded they really are to other angles of information.

People that are aggressive towards conspiracy information should be the same towards the information in general that they get....TV-News etc.
But i guess that would make them evil...and we dont want that do we.

[atalanta]

Logorat, I didn't say that I believe everything I see on television or what the government tells us.  I do believe that there are conspiracies going on.  For example, I believe that the whole Iraq thing was a conspiracy and that America is now in the ownership of the Saudis.  It is based on some of the things that I have heard on various documentaries, where former journalists, CIA people, etc were interviewed - I mean highly credible people.  So I do believe in conspiracies.

However, I think there is lot of nonsense out there that is being sold to people as reality based on half-truths, innuendos, etc.  They create the illusion of reality when it is not.

For example, you mention that the government keeps things from the public.  That somehow that implies that some conspiracy is at hand.  It may be so, but it would seem more probable to me to suggest that maybe the government is privy to things which if released may cause more damage.  For example, the government may want to hold back information to protect the identity of spies, to give the impression that they are still in a position of power, etc.  It may be as simple as that.  It may be more.  The thing is that you have to consider simpler truths/possibilities before you accept the stranger possibilities.

[clandestino]

quote:People that are aggressive towards conspiracy information should be the same towards the information in general that they get....

I think people are aggressive towards conspiracy theories for many reasons...not least because they upset the status-quo. Its probably valid to get aggressive about this kind of "conspiracy" theory though, because its so easy to disprove. All the authors did was pick and choose what they wanted to show...conveniently leaving out the evidence that showed it was a 757. Even going so far as saying no such evidence exists !

Whilst one internet search can turn out a conspiracy like the one at the head of this thread, another google search can just as easily reveal the flip side of the coin.

[volcomstone]

it seems coincidental that the plane struck the area of the pentagon which was already evactuated for reconstruction and repairs.

it also seems coincidental that the most heavily guarded airspace in all of the usa seemed to have been penetrated by a HUUUUUGE 747

its akin to sneaking an elephant through a mouse hole.  

the fear americans now feel is a way to boost the american economy

nothing stops a depression like a good war.

fear and consumption, fear and consumption

[atalanta]

Were there no deaths at the Pentagon.  I thought people died, so how was it evacuated?

Fear causes consumption on some things but not others.  Did you not notice for example how several economies had a very hard time since 9/11?

If you really want consumption to take off, security, confidence is what makes it go.  The only time I have seen stock markets go down is when there is a threat of some sort and fear enters the game.

Then again, I know very little about economics so I could be wrong.  Just the impression I have been given.

[endlessoneness]

Conspiracy theorist are like puzzle assemblers. How did the truth of the earth being round finally come about through persecution back in the day? People thought that guy must have been insane to think such thoughts. Turns out he was right. With a theory that eventually got put together with undeniable facts. Soon these conspiracies will follow suit. Thinking inside the box never got anybody anywhere except that box. It's only when they stepped outside that they started to notice other things that be. And started to actually see what that box was and how it was made, and why they were there in the first place.

We aut to look at both sides of the coin no matter how odd they might seem. Truth is stranger than fiction. How can we trust just the tv news to the fullest when they misspelled the al qaida (??) name over and over again. If they couldn't get the right construction of the supposed terror group name down, how can they get the right construction of the attacks down? I think there's a little twisted SwordFish work going on. George Washington and a number of other good willed people warned of the power of the government and military. We should take heed. Besides, isn't it enough that the Bush's story has changed like the face of the ocean waves?

Soon we'll be in Iraq, Afhganistan, Iran, Korea, and only God knows where else. Then we'll be drafted here.

Never stop seeking until ye find. The truth will set you free.

Oh yeah. Didn't Hitler say that god had called him to lead the country? I remember reading quotes of Bush saying the same thing...

Also, you should check out the conspiracy of america funding the Nazi war machine.

www.vaticanassassins.org This is the life work of one man who just wouldn't be pleased with what somebody else had told him. So he found out himself.

[Kazbadan]

Good points too.

In fact (and i am sorry to say this, its not against USA people but against USA gov) i must say that USA gov it is  more like a war factory. They build wars and try to make wars every place!

I know (almost no one knows this, even in my country) that for example, somewhere in 1975 (or later), when Portugal changed from a dictatory state to a democratic state, USA gov. has gived "green light" (i mean: authorization) to Spain, in order to invade Portugal.

They wanted (USA) that Spain invaded Portugal to take control of it. The oportunity was good because there were no rules and no rulers (we were living in a "after revolution" country where everything changed).

I dont remember the details, but the idea was to create a new Portugal with Spanish ideas. Why? Because Portugal its a good "door" (geographic) to Europe. So, changing the politics, in a such caothic state as Portugal, USA would have open doors to Europe.

Of course that Spain didnt accept that, but its sad to see the arrogance of a government. Who the hell they think they are? "Giving green light to atack Portugal"!!! Such a dare! They are not the "boss" of this world (ATTENTION: i am speaking about USA gov.!!)!

Even more horrible its the know fact that USA was behind (again by giving "green light" and being the "secret boss") the horrible attack occured in Dili (Timor), when Indonesian troops killed many people. They (USA gov.) were behind the invasion of Timor.

This is sad to see, because it means that war, money and power are the major priority of Governments (money it is more important than people, for Portuguese Gov.).

We should remember something: goverments exist to serve people, not the oposite (but people still seing the opposite...).

[LittleNinja]

Take a look at this.  (note: It might take awhile to load.)


http://pages.infinit.net/noc/pentagon.swf


What do you think of it?


Love & Peace