I got stuck again!! I hate this!help!

[clandestino]

wow...I've never read an account of sleep paralysis serious enough to disrupt your everyday life ! I'm afraid that I've got nothing to offer in terms of help, as the standard "wiggle your big toe" has always worked for me in the past. Perhaps some others might have some remedies ?

regards,
Mark

[Seven]

This might sound stupid but... have you considered that your (understandable) fear of getting stuck might be making it worse?  I don't know too much about this, but I know that fear can be self-propogating.  Have you tried either "going with the flow" or even trying to get out again?  I feel that the fear of getting stuck, as opposed to acceptance of the paralysis, might be making the symptoms and effects worse than they might be if you simply went along with it.

I understand from many articles, RBs amongst them, that there are many times during the day when we daydream or AP without knowing it.  It appears in your case that this is always accompanied by severe paralysis.  It might help if you can somehow accept it without fighting it; this might make it easier to cope with and cause the paralysis to be less severe and of shorter duration.

Please forgive me for offering advice you've probably already tried, I don't mean to come over as self-righteous, just felt from your post you have a lot of fear of this.

Hope you find a way to overcome your paralysis while still being able to AP.  Good luck! []

[Hannah b]

Thank you for the replies everyone!

The ideas that you gave Runlola are great, but ....apart from the "eyelid method" (which to my surprise worked this time) nothing else seems to work. I can't schedule anything either because of my lifestyle which is heavily influenced by my completely irregular job. thank you anyways[]

I agree Seven, that  because I  am subconciously afraid of getting stuck there's a great chance tthat it will happen. What surprised me in yesterday's case was that I haven't had this kind of incident for some time now, and I thought that the days of horror are long gone.  Also, the paralisys seemed much stronger than the ones before.
I did think of going somewhere further and then try to comeback, but I got stuck a few times somewhere on the dead end of the universe..so ..ehm..I rather  do the waiting somewhere closer to my physical body[]

I went to my bio-therapist today.
He told me 2 things that seem to be making sense:

1.I cannot allow myself to OBE while being in a negative enviroment like my workplace, where there's tons of emotions and negative thoughts floating around. Because i still can't protect myself from the negativity, it's actually very stupid of me  to experiment in such way. I can only practice at home, where the surrounding energy is a lot  clearer and positive. He was talking to me, and only about my case..so ofcourse all of you, who are more experienced should have no problems of this kind in any other chosen location.

Also..I should decide when I want to go out, not my body (or any aspect of it)...he was thinking of not "giving in" whenI I feel it coming...lol..I don't know how to put it nicer.

2. It's a matter of trust.
I don't trust myself that I can comeback and ( what is worse) I don't trust my guide that he'll help me come back. He said that I should make some kind of a deal with my guide..invent an imaginary exit button that always works. But it's a matter of me trusting the fact that it will work. Always and forever and ever . No doubts.

Hmm... now I'll put  all the information together and do some heavy thinking[]

Once again thank you Clandestino, Runlola and Seven for your help.
All the best

[Seven]

Hannah,

The exit button sounds like a great idea, and it reminded me of a friend of mine who said they always give themselves a "doorway" just before they exit.  This could be an exit button, a mirror, a door, in fact just about anything.  The only thing is, you have to be able to recognize it when you're out.  Perhaps you could visualize a big red button or a door with "Back To Body" written on it.  Also, the more you visualise a thing, the more likely it is to sink into your subconscious.  And when you see it, trust yourself to use it! Good luck![]

btw, ending up somewhere on the dead end of the universe sounds awful! I'm not surprised you prefer to be near your body!

[Hannah b]

Thanks Seven for the hint. Sounds great.
My friend once told me a story where he was talking to some elderly man who was very experienced in OBE (btw he was russian, so imagine the accent in his english;))
My friend asked if it's possible to "not come back" from the astral, and the elderly man said "no son, you can't "fall out" of the universe"..[]
But I guess falling out is not the same as getting stuck.

All the best

[ralphm]

Do you have good experiences when you are at home and relaxed? I second the opinion that you should experiment and not fight it. Also it brings to mind the posts of Frank about having curiosity about the situation while being trapped.

[Hannah b]

hello Ralphm,

I often had very bad experiences when I was at home and relaxed...so I guess it's not about the location (although I understand that some might be worse than others) but my state of mind. I'm working on it and it's getting better and better, but the previous situatuation totally dissoriented me.
I'm not the really "curious" type, and I hate taking risks. As I said before, in the past I've experienced some very bad OBE where I was stuck for something that seemed like an eternity...and because I know the taste of it, I'm not really that eager to expermiment with it, because I have no quarantee that I will be able to come back. Generally I'm very tired of the "getting stuck" problem, because I've  battled with it from the very beginning and the fear of it is stopping my development.
I'll take a look at Frank's posts though. Thank you for the hint.

All the best

[ralphm]

Hannah, Do you actually have good obe experiences? From rereading your post it seems like a good experience is the lack of fear and paralysis? You mention not wanting to go too far but maybe by staying too close to your body your attention is devided between your sleeping self and your semi-projected self. The real time zone is a somewhat creepy place and I have had my share of time in dark places but for some reason it has never really  freaked me out too bad or when it has I seem to imeadiatly go back and wake up. You know there is nothing there that can hurt you and if you reread Frank's old post you will find that your subconcious creates a lot of the situations you find yourself in.

[Hannah b]

Hi,
Runlola:

quote: Do you drink a lot of coffee? This can disrupt your sleep patterns. Or have you been taking any new herbal supplements or
Have you stopped taking any recently?

I don't drink coffe, and I generally do everything to avoid taking medicine. As for anti-depressants I've been off them for well over 3 years now..
The only thing I've been taking is some Indian ginseng and "bee powder" (microelements from honey), but I've been taking it for some time now and haven't noticed any changes (good or bad).

quote: Also I read that SP occurs mostly when you sleep on your back. But it sounds like it occurs in any position for you...

Yeah, you're right , position doesn't matter to me.

quote: Also, I think it has to do with you being too tired & your body needing the rest. So I am guessing that is why you try to sneak naps? Do you have a watch with an alarm? You could take a nap & have the watch go off every now & then.

You're absolutely right. I can't get enough sleep for the past few years now (because of the amounts of work that I do) and my body longs to sleep all the time. I'm not surprised and I hate to force it, but I can't really change the situation right now, although it brings me down a lot when I think about the amounts of time I spend (waste) on work.
Also, I can't really allow myself to take naps during the day ( because of the amounts of work that I have). Yeah, I have a watch with alarm (I need 3 of them to make me get up). If I wouldn't turn it on, I'd probably sleep for like 2 years non-stop, cause that's how much I'd probably need to re-generate my body. I also know that the lack of sleep has a huge effect on my pesimistic attitude towards life, which ofcourse has an effect on my OBE. I'm working on changing my lifestyle but it's not easy and for now all I can say is " I'll sleep when I'll die"[|)]

ralphm

quote:  Do you actually have good obe experiences? From rereading your post it seems like a good experience is the lack of fear and paralysis?

Yeah, I've had a few good experiences[] I'm thinking about situations where I'd be flying somewhere where it's very peaceful, I can hear beautiful music and see amazing colors. Th efact is that 90% of my OBE are somehow negative (mostly because of the things I see and hear during the experience...the paralisys is a "bonus"..sometimes it happens sometimes not)

quote: You mention not wanting to go too far but maybe by staying too close to your body your attention is devided between your sleeping self and your semi-projected self. The real time zone is a somewhat creepy place and I have had my share of time in dark places but for some reason it has never really freaked me out too bad or when it has I seem to imeadiatly go back and wake up.

Hmm... there's a point. The reason why i choose to stay close is because:

1. I'm working on getting rid of the fear. If you can't swim, you rather stay close to the edges of the pool and not start out from 5 meter depths..that's how I see it.
2. I've been stuck in some far away places and there's nothing scarrier than that. Thi sis the reason to why I'm a bit afraid to go far.
3.I know that RZ can get pretty ugly, but when I look at the amount of people that have no problems with it, it just gets me really angry that I'm such a sad freak and I can't handle some situations properly. It's called stupid ambicion.[]

quote:You know there is nothing there that can hurt you and if you reread Frank's old post you will find that your subconcious creates a lot of the situations you find yourself in.

This forum has helped me a lot with my fear problems. I know that my subconciousness is responsible for most of the mess that I get myself into.  
I'm actually really proud of myself, when I see how much more couragous I've become and that I know now how to make the monsters go away . I think that it's just a matter of trusting that they'll never come back, and  I don't know if I'm 100% about it yet. But I'm working on it[]

My problem number 1 is getting rid of the fear that was caused by 4 years  of unconcious OBE and SP, and during that time there was no wonderful forums like this one, so I had no idea what was happening to me and truly believed that I was possesed or something. I ended up taking psychiatrist treatement because my experiences got really bad. I've been attacked numerous times, and yes I know that I can't get hurt but... when you are being attacked and bitten by a herd of big black dogs , you actually "feel" when they are bitting you and it hurts exactly the same as in real life. The only difference is that there is no blood when you come back. This is why I'm a bit sceptic about the "you can't get hurt" statement.

Thank you for taking care and the information. I think I  subconciously know now what I have to . The "decision time" is getting closer. Unfortuneately it only deepens the conflict that I'm with myself for the past few years.

All the best

[ralphm]

Quote:
The "decision time" is getting closer. Unfortuneately it only deepens the conflict that I'm with myself for the past few years.

This sounds ominous, I hope you are not planning anything negative.
This makes the being relaxed part of OBE'S outdated because anyone with negative experences are the least bit relaxed.
It seems like you realize that the OBE is really a trip into the deeper regions of your being. Even negative experiences are helpful to our progress.  

[Hannah b]

Ralphm,
No, I'm not planning anything negative. I just believe that in life there are important things and more important things. Maybe it's time to start doing the more important things[]

I am learning throughout the negative experiences, but it's just a bit frustrating. But if I look at it from a different angle, afterwards any experience without negativity is such a wonderful reward.
Thank you and all the best

[Tisha]

honey, are you getting enough sleep?  NORMAL sleep?

[Hannah b]

No hon, unfortuneately not[]
I wrote about that problem in some other posts, so I won't go over it again if you don't mind...[] There were some years in the past where I did get regular sleep, and I experienced the same things as I do now...so..I don't know if in my case not enough sleep is the problem.
Thank you!

[ralphm]

That reminds me that I was going to comment on the fact that since the obe experience is automatic for some people, there seems to be a way for it to override the requirement for a person to be relaxed for it to happen. Anyone who has bad experiences must be not so relaxed about it.  To have it even happen at work- I rarely have even a lucid dream when I am not at home.

[Hannah b]

Interesting point Ralphm[]

[Tisha]

hannah b,

You sound like a good candidate for my "flop and surrender" technique (check resources link above). Once you are in sleep paralysis, there is no use at all trying to fight it.

You also need to get enough DEEP sleep so you're not having OBEs at inopportune times.  Another way to limit involuntary OBEs is to actually work at having them at more convenient times. It will get it out of your system, so-to-speak.  

In my tradition, involuntary OBEs are a sign that you are ignoring the call of the Otherworld, and specifically that of your ancestors.   My friends and I joke with each other, "are you gonna go quietly or are They gonna have to rough you up first?"  One way or another, They (the ancestors) will have their way!  I'm not suggesting you believe as I do; I'm just throwing it out for your consideration.  Everything happens for a reason!

I'm a great advocate of the (temporary) medical approach to sleep problems, i.e., the short-term use of sleeping pills.  Sleep deprivation is awful, it messes you up (mind and body).

[Hannah b]

hello Tisha,
Thank you very much for the information about the link..I'll read it as soon as possible!
I decided not to have OBE until my work schedule gets more normal, and I'm already working on it.
Thanks to all the wonderful replies I understood the mistakes I've been making. You guys really made my eyes open wide!!
I love the idea with "ignoring the call of the Otherworld"..now my eyes are even wider...that's the last thing I'd like to happen!!

Thank you all once again, your posts have truly helped me a lot..
Once I get back on the track, there'll be no way of stopping me[}:)]

All the best

[Astral-Jas]

I read somewhere(astral dynamics? Adventures out of body?) that you can't get back into the physical body because of Deep Sleep. They say to go back to the astral plains and explore until your body comes out of a deep sleep. I think you can set an alarm to go off and that jerks the body from a Deep Sleep.

[LogoRat]

Have you even considered doing the same with the paralisys as you did with the ants and the box.
Give it the same energy into it.
"by brushing them off with a "love brush" (brushing and thinking of love). "
Do the same to open your body.

[Hannah b]

Hi,

quote:They say to go back to the astral plains and explore until your body comes out of a deep sleep. I think you can set an alarm to go off and that jerks the body from a Deep Sleep.

yes, I understand now that it's because my physical body falls asleep for good because it's tired...but if I get the paralissys at lets say 11p.m. and wait (or explore) untill my alarm clock hopefully rings at around 9 am...ummm..that's a lot of time...[]..also sometimes I don't plan to OBE, and don't set any alarms..and if it happens, there's nothing (and nobody) in the physical to wake me...kind of spooky ei?

quote: Have you even considered doing the same with the paralisys as you did with the ants and the box.
Give it the same energy into it.
"by brushing them off with a "love brush" (brushing and thinking of love). "
Do the same to open your body.

Interesting idea! I've never thought of it...I'm just thinking..I get more paralized when I think of coming back to my body, so if I brush it off (if I'll be able to free my hands) and then think of getting back, will the paralisys catch me again??hmm...I've got to try this method, although I deeply hope that there won't be another ocasion like the previous one everagain[]
Thank you!

[Astral-Jas]

Eeeeks! That doesn't sound good, but if your body dozes off at 11pm and alarm rings at 9 am, that wouldn't be so bad to project for 10 hours. Lol, I have only projected one time so I would not mind that.

When your projecting does it realy feel like the amount of time your out of body?

I'm no expert but I would head the tips your "biotherapist" gave you.
That is realy cool, where can I get a "biotherapist"?[]

[Hannah b]

hi, I can't believe that this topic turned into a hot one[]

quote:you should try to
merge into the higher dreamworld where you would normally be
instead of trying to wake up or travel some more.

I haven't read it Runlola, but I guess it's now I have to[]
About that quote, this idea was mentioned somewhere before, and it makes sence..it's just that when you're stuck the last thing I think about is about going "deeper" anywhere. The fear of getting stuck in some higher dreamworld really scares me..I  don't know if it's possible, but hey, my logic mind says why not..So, as I said before I rather not go too far away from my body, because hell knows what will happen in a higher dimension[}:)]I guess I'm too much of a coward to try an experiment like that.

quote:if your body dozes off at 11pm and alarm rings at 9 am, that wouldn't be so bad to project for 10 hours

Yeah Astral-Jas, unless you end up in astral hell which is no fun to be in[]

quote:When your projecting does it realy feel like the amount of time your out of body?

yes, when I'm close to the RTZ. Any higher and time stops existing.

quote:where can I get a "biotherapist"?

If you'd live in Poland I'd contact you with the best one in the world, but since you don't I think you should visit the "Healing" forum on this site.
good luck and thank you!

[Hannah b]

hello everyone,

Just 10 minutes ago I had an OBE. I hate to admit it but I took a nap at work. Yes yes face on the keyboard...no drooling thought. I was very surprised to feel the good old "tension" ( I never ever have vibrations). I started to breathe deeply ( Cube! your method is worth a million!) then I heard and felt a "click" and I was out there. It was a bit darkish in the room so I asked for clarity and it got clearer. I have to say here, that in the past I've had some horrible experiences etc. so now whenever I'm out I concentrate on the very basic aspects like clear vision and movement and try not to go "too far".
I remember I walked around the room a bit...flew through the door to the corridor. I could hear some people talking that were sitting there. I came back to my room and felt something like ants (but with a voice) walking all over my head. I did took them off (wow it worked!) by brushing them off with a "love brush" (brushing and thinking of love). All of the sudden one of the boxes on the floor started moving towards me and ended up hitting me (ouch! it hurt!) on my leg. I wasn't afraid...I just stood there looking at the box "ride" around the room trying to hit me. I thought of love and it stopped. Imedieately after that the lights started flickering...I thought "lol, the ghost trick"..I got bored with it and decided to come back. I thought of my body and....the hell began:

It was a classical situation where my paralisys were so strong that the more I tried to move the less I actually could. I hate it!!! It has happened to me millions of times already...nothing seems to work! I think of "nuber 1" Monroe's method: nothing. I try moving my toes but it's not the physical toes that move. I think of my guardian but i have a feeling that he's just watching in the distance, trying to see how I'll manage.Aghhhhh! All of the sudden the computer made some sound and I clicked back to the physical for a few seconds. Then something happened, something that always freaked me out in the past and I can't control it and something that i feel is coming back again.
I got "sucked back out"...it's a kind of feeling like when you are so sleepy that you fall asleep when standing or sitting, but you know that you are not supposed to..it's like sinking in.
The battle began for good. This time part of my body was as if made from clay...I couldn't move it. I asked for "mobility now"..(egh..I guess I just thougt of this now , but it worked only on my hands)..
I'd open one of my eyes and see my physical hand that I was laying on..when I'd open the second eye I'd only see the outline of my "non-physical" arm doing some crazy movements in order to wake my body up.
I hate this! I hate this!! I used to have it so often and I'm so tired of it. Once I remember I got stuck in some cuban public house (in 18oo's) for something like 10 hours( that's what it seemed like).
I did a quick calculation and realized that my co-worker is comning in 6 hours..agh 6 hours of waiting??
If any of you have been in this situation you know  how terribly difficult it is to make the damm body move..why does it hurt so much???it's actual pain!!I think I twiched my eyes or something and I felt the paralisys let go.
I looked at the computer clock and it showed that 1 hour has passed since I fell asleep.

Now I'm sorry if this topic has been replied to already in the past...but I just had to write about my last experience because I truly can't stand it anymore. Why do I get stuck all the time??

What is surprising is that it's my 5th OBE this month, and I think that the good times where I had it almost everyday are coming back.
What worries me is that I used to get the paralissis everywhere! On the school bus, the subway, school...in the morning, at night..
It freaked me out so much then, that I forced them not to happed (long story). After 4 years of trying they seem to be coming back. But I don't want to go the same route again!

Any help will be greatly apprecieated.
Thank you and all the best.