Rapid Fire Phasing: Multiple OBEs each hour

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Great synthesis!
Congratulation Cube!

[cube]

Hi upstream, if you try this let me know how it goes!

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Nothing extraordinary happened, but here it is. Before the attempt I slept 4.5h to do some sungazing @ sunrise. Unfortunetely, I awoke to a rainy day (still better than 35C). Sungazing is supposed to reset my circadian rythm and delay melatonin onset which could increase the ability to enter into REM sleep directly. 4.5h sleep is optimal for me either for LDs or OBEs but for OBE I need more time to stay awake.
I was awake for 65 minutes and used the modified version of my original signal in a loop with T=10 minutes. The new signal is composed from 3 copies of the original melody at different volumes: 2 sec silence follows the quietest one that designed to temper the shock if I'm still awake, and there is 4 sec silence between the 2 very loud melody that are designed to disturb my sleep.

After both of my nostrills was equally dilatated I layed down on my right side in a position similar to the 'sleeping tiger'. My method was as usual: I was making some visualisation in order to turn my attention away from my body but checked it regularly by focusing on a pont above my head. I was asleep before the second signal and projected at around the third one but I don't remember hear anything. I've had to sat up very slowly on my matress in order to keep myself in sync with the separation process. I moved through the darkness to the wall to turn on my vison and stabilize the dream. On my way my sight had turned on by itself but was very mosaic. I turned back and got a glance of my face. I saw the earphone in my ear and started to hesitatate what to do: get back into my body and doing the microcosmic orbit by the next signal inorder to get enough time to escape into the intrinsic time of the astral or try to pull out the earphone - a stupid idea that I've never succeded yet. First I remolded my perception a little by focusing on the wall then looked on my face again. (I don't remember seeing the sock I've put on my face against the light.) I turned away and tired to move my left physical arm very slowly. I was aware the possibility that I could be tricked by my expactations but I felt my arm moving underneath the blanket. I assumed on the feeling of the blanket as well because it use to misteriously miss in false awakenings and dream projections. When I tired to feel both of my body at the same time I was pulled back. I detached again and found myself in an unknown house. After tested my state I realised this is only a lucid dream.

I heard the signal from inside the dream at least 5 times. At least 2 times they collapsed my dream (it's a high rate because I have been taught myself to resist). I've done at least 3 pseudo-separation into various dream version of my bedroom and total 3 dream-rebuilding from spontan blackouts. The entire session lasted about 2h.

As I see, the motor of your new technique (RFP) is identical with my LOG-loop (see details in my first post in your previous thread 'how to project almost every mornings'). The difference is that I use a specific signal with T=3-20min depend on the actual sleep pressure (calculated from previous sleep architecture). My signals are generated by my PC's soundcard and are applied through one-sided earphone in order to not disturb others nearby. The key is indeed not to move, so earphones couldn't be a problem.

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Very interesting, you actually experienced leaving your body using this without first phasing into a lucid dream. It is good to hear that you had success with it!

You may try raising the volume so that it wakes you up more to give you more coherency. Ideally you should wake your mind up and have a new LD or OBE each time the timer goes off.

In your opinion, what's the difference between an OBE and a lucid dream? At this point it seems to me that it's how aware of who you are. It doesn't seem to matter so much the level of realism or if you actually experience leaving the body (since you could also phase out), but mostly it only matters whether your dream personality matches your waking personality and you know exactly how you got there and know everything you know while awake.

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quote:You may try raising the volume so that it wakes you up more to give you more coherency. Ideally you should wake your mind up and have a new LD or OBE each time the timer goes off.

My original goal with the loop was to form a one-way path into "OBE." I've been trained myself to resist the signals from lucid dreams. It turned out to be a very useful practice for stablization because the majority of premature awakening seems to be caused by external noises.

Actually REM-sleep is more resistant to external disruptions than NREM-sleep. According to Ferrara & Bertini (http://www.sro.org/bin/article.dll?Text&2457&0&0&NP=-1) acustic stimulation result in brief arousal characterised by sleep stage shift, K-complex, EEG desynchronization, alpha burst, muscle tone increase, and slow eye movements. This means the emergence of a transient sleep stage that looks like mixing REM and sleep stage 2, the state from which my most "OBE" seem to occur. But again, my goal with LL is to form a one-way path into OBE: if I'm in NREM sleep, acustic stimulation tend to shift my sleep toward my typical projection prestate, however, if I'm in the REMP, the signal likely won't terminate an ongoing lucid dream episode.

I have to use two loud signal because my sleep is already habituated aginst noises as a result of LL. Very loud signals will painfully increase my heart rate & blood pressure.

According to my experiences, one of the best thing one can hope from this method is oversaturating the body with the sense of being in and at the verge of lucid dreaming. I've found that 1-2 weeks of daily loop could restore my practice if I haven't enough will to induce OBEs on my own.

If your goal is to practice the detachment process I advise you to stabilize the dream then lay back into your body and reseparate again - as many times as you are able to. By the way, what do you mean by coherency?

quote:In your opinion, what's the difference between an OBE and a lucid dream?

This is only a matter of definition. Literally OBE means an experience in which a person is aware the fact that he or she is operating from outside of his or her physical body. As I see, the real problem lies in the outside/inside definition. For example an astral projection could be the natural continuation of a "classical OBE," but most astral location can't be assigned to a given physical space (however according to my theory about fluctocondensation some "astral places" and "astral bodies" at around F21-F23 could have a physical projection). The same is true about dreams.

I think heightened awareness and the accurate continuation of the waking personality are necessary but not sufficient conditions for OBE. The subjective sense of leaving the body is not sufficient as well. Just think about the false awakening based "OBEs." I think on them as experiences in which one is waking up in the "astral version" of his or her bedroom that serve as "landing unit" as projected by unconscious expectations and fears to protect the person from the "3D blackness" of the unknown.

I think the clue for "OBEs" is increasing the level of awareness, braking through the hallucination by establishing quality sensory feedback and minimalising interpretation of the sensory stream. Astral exploration only begins afterwards.

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Upstream,
By coherency I mean alertness and awareness of what's going on. I want to try your lay-back-in body trick but I haven't gotten to the point where I can become aware of my physical body in order to lay back down in it. Every time I OBE and look at my bed it's empty. Should I just lay down there and just up anyway?

Also, what does LL stand for?

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LL stands for LOG-loop. The outcome of the RFP/LL method depend on various factors like the architecture of the previous sleep and waking, the time interwal between the signals, structure and volume of the signal, our intent and technique, etc. In fact, in my case, LOG-separation is more likely, hence its name. LOG is the anocrym of "Lassú Oldalra Gördülés" which means "Slow Aside Rolling" in my language (...hm, interesting "SAR" means excrement...).

quote:I want to try your lay-back-in body trick but I haven't gotten to the point where I can become aware of my physical body in order to lay back down in it. Every time I OBE and look at my bed it's empty.

It is not my trick but it is close to my heart. I've read it in the 'Art of Dreaming.' You don't even have to search for your bed which is likely will be empty in my case as well. You just lay down into the exact position of your physical body with the intent to project again. When you do this first you would loose your vision then 3 things could happen:

1. your body eject you before you perfect the match in a simmilar manner like they would be two repelling magnets (I think it happen in deep sleep)
2. you wake up (you likely had missed the position of your sleeping body or your sleep was superficial)
3. you feel some sinking (relax into it) before you get your habitual feelings of pre-separation (I think it's sign that REMP is restarted which could be the explanation for the increased stability, the reason I do this method)

If you do it in a dream bedroom that looks like very similar to yours and you sleep on your back then please try the opposition trick we had discussed in the tread '3rd eye opening in this morning', that is, lay into the opposition direction than your sleeping body (head at legs).

[lateralus897]

I really wanna give this a try, but could you give just a brief instruction on how to use your little invention? I downloaded it, go 3 files, silence.wav, beep.wav, and timer.html. I opened all three, but I don't know how to sync the .wav files with the html page java. Maybe I'm just dumb, but let me know if there's something I'm missing.

[lateralus897]

Yep, I'm dumb, but I figured it out anyhow. I just never actually extracted the files. If I get any good results, I'll post them here.

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upstream,
I will certainly try that next time I have the chance. So far I haven't had much luck with teleporting with very much control or creating places but I'll make a point of stopping in the middle of an OBE and teleporting back and doing that trick.

lateralus897,
Even if it doesn't work for you (*especially* if it doesn't work for you) please let me know what happens to you so I can figure out ways to improve it.

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Cube, you could lay down anywhere you want. I found it is more easy to teleport if I walk into a wall and try to believe that I'm inside a wall of my target. To avoid sensory deprivation inside the wall and sustain REM I move my attention on the details of my palm.

[lateralus897]

Ok, nothin interesting yet. What I did last night, was set it to 100min, 90 min, 90min, 90min... kinda just to get me in the habit of waking up after each sleep cycle. It worked ok.. but I slept through probably half of them. My purpose in this was to wake up, record my dream, and try something called "dream incubation" where you suggest your unconscious mind in doing something specific during a dream (solve a problem, increase creativity...). So instead of just right before I feel asleep, I could continually reenforce it.

So I never ended up getting up to record any dreams, and dont remember much from last night either. But I got up at 7 to try the "rapid fire phasing." I tested the volume, started the timer, and went back to sleep. Again, only about half woke me up, and the other half just felt like "rude awakenings" to my mind. I did wake up in the very relaxed state, just my mind wasn't "in it."

Right now, I'm mixing 3 different things. The "suneye" method which was posted somewhere in these forums, techniques from a dreaming book ("Dreaming Realities" by Silverthorn and Overdurf), and this thing. So I go to sleep with my unconscious suggestions, wake up early, and mix your timer with the suneye method to get results.

I think my problem right now is that I need to wake my mind up more. I'll try splashing cold water on my face or something. Maybe some energy work will help too. I'll let you know if anything happens tomorrow.

About your program: it's really ingenius, there's not much that can be improved upon. It's so simple and useful, and my computer speakers just happen to face my bed directly. I'll try increasing volume a bit, and if I can't wake up to something that will be heard elsewhere in my house, I'll try headphones if I can manage to sleep with them on.

So I'll keep you updated, and keep me updated by giving me any suggestions you might have and what not.

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I think doing dream incubation or using some sort of MILD does make having a projection a lot more likely. When I use the timer, I set the volume really REALLY loud so it definitely wakes me up.

I close my window so it doesn't wake up my neighbors. My experience has been that it's critical to be completely awake at the start of each interval so that you're totally coherent for the projection attempt.

[Chee]

On the subject of teleporting, when I'm in a Lucid Dream, my way of teleporting is to spin around in a circle until everything blurs, then just imagine that while I slow down everything will be as it is in the place I want to be.  I'm going to try the beep every ten minutes on a cd thing, I don't have a computer in my bedroom so I can't use your little tool.

Thanks  

[astralpwka]

Cube -

I finally got around to trying this. Here's my version...

I burned your buzzer to a cd, since I can't have an alarm clock waking up my family every few minutes.

I used the version from your personal forum... 4 min, 8 min, 12 min, 16 min, 20 min, and multiple 4 min thereafter. I took out the second 20, because I didn't have enough room on the cd. I set the alarm clock for 6 am, and donned the headphones after awakening.

This was only my first attempt. I did not have lucid dreams, nor did I project, but I did experience heightened awareness of my dreams. Very vivid. I'll play with it for probably a week or two, longer if it works.

[cube]

One thing that seems to help is doing NEW on your face for a few days leading up to your attempt. It also helps a whole lot to make sure that you have had pleny of sun in for about a week leading up to it.

I have some more sun related info at www.saltcube.com/?t=sun

Were you able to fall asleep during the longer intervals, like the 15 to 25 minute ones?

[astralpwka]

Cube -

Though I was worried, I had NO problem going back to sleep at all, during any interval, including the 4 minute ones.

I read your sun articles a few days ago, along with most of your obe book. Your techniques are very original and different from the traditional methods. I think if you published it, you could make a name for youself quickly in this field.

Anyway, nothing to report on day 2, family was too noisy and they all got up at 6 am.

[cube]

Good, if you're able to fall asleep each time then you've got the hardest part solved. Basically what you're trying to do is watch the process of falling asleep as in http://www.saltcube.com/?t=watch-fall-asleep

You should be able to have a brand new OBE every time it beeps, it goes like this:

1.) Set the alarm and fall asleep
2.) Timer beeps, you become aware of what's going on, and 'wake up' without moving
3.) Your body may still be asleep in which case you won't feel it fall asleep again.
3.) You will probably have some sort of imagery going on or be able to recall the imagery you had from the last dream. Watch for it, it should become realistic over the course of 5 to 30 seconds.
4.) Phase into the imagery by imagining pressure so you ooze out into it.

Steps 3-4 take place in less than a minute, the beep should be just enough to make you aware but keep you still dreaming somewhat. You than dip back into it and have an OBE over and over.

Regarding a book, thanks very much; I hope there is enough interest that I can write one!

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I found that loud noises wake the mind but not the body. I used this fact to have four OBEs this morning in the space of about an hour and a half.

Most of the time when we are asleep and are woken by a loud noise we automatically move or shift in bed in order to wake the body.

If you suppress your instinct to move, then your body doesn't wake up and you are in mind awake/body asleep. At that point you can begin your favorite conceptualization/visualization and slip directly into a lucid dream, or phase into an OBE.

Here is a method I'm calling Rapid Fire Phasing which is similar to Body Fake Out. With this method you won't experience leaving the body like you do when you do Body Fake Out. Instead you'll phase into a lucid dream and then you can have an OBE if you want.

The Method
The prep works is the same as Body Fake Out: get enough sunlight and exercise the day before so that you'll be able to wake in the morning and then be able to go back to sleep no problem.

Get up two hours early, before you get up recall your most recent dream in the best detail you can. When you wake observe what position your body is in. Stand up and practice getting into that exact position.


Set your an alarm clock for your normal waking time so that you're assured not to oversleep.

If you are hungry, eat something liquid like a protein shake so that that's not going to make your stomach wake you up digesting it. Avoid anything sugary.

If you feel you can go to sleep immediately then do it. Otherwise stay awake until you start to yawn, maybe an hour or so.

Set your timer to do 10 minute intervals over and over.

Lay down in the position you woke up in. Use the first 5-10 minutes finding exactly the right position so that you can be perfectly still and not uncomfortable in any way.

Fall asleep while recalling the dream you were having. If you had a bad dream or can't remember the dream, begin conceptualizing yourself walking around your house looking at things.

Staying perfectly still is key to this. Don't breathe deeply (unless you happend to be in paralysis) because that's enough to wake the body.

When the timer wakes you up, don't move, just begin the conceptualization once more. It will turn into vivid imagery which you will naturally phase into.

When the phasing/lucid dream is over or you lose the connection to the dream and feel that your consciousness is focused more on your physical body than the dream, you are in a good position to try for an OBE.

You may not be able to see anything but black, but try to just get up. You will probably get up out of your body. Just walk until you see something, then focus on it to gain clarity.

Don't stare at one spot because that will result in your vision zooming down to microscopic vision. Instead move your vision in a spiral around the scene.

Every time the timer goes off, your body will be a little but more asleep; so as long as you don't move so you can keep doing this for an hour or two if you like.

Gotchas
I found that if I'm a little bit cold I can't phase at all. In Journeys Out Of The Body, Monroe writes that 96.2% of his OBEs were while he was warm and only 3.8% when cold. So, before you start make sure you've got maybe an extra blanket or something.


Timers
Because using a digital timer requires you to move your body (your fingers), it's not ideal although I have gotten this to work by being careful to only move my thumb.

A better solution is to use a CD player on repeat that plays a loud beep every 10 minutes. Or you can use this HTML web page I made that lets you program in an arbitrary timer sequence:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/uploaded/cube/timer.zip

Just unzip the file to a directory and open timer.html in IE Explorer. You can use it to beep at you every 10 minutes and wake you up without having to move.