OBE related tension in hands?

[astralspinner]

the 'buzzing' feeling was probably your body entering a relaxed state - I get that too when I meditate.

The difficulty moving is a standard symptom of being very relaxed.

The pain, tho, that's not too usual. There's a bit in Astral Dynamics about physical pain & side effects when using NEW, which might be related. My only other gues would be that your mental efforts were making you unconsciously tense your hands, and the pain was due to this accidental tension.

The patterns of light you mention sound like ideoretinal lights - a common occurence which I also have always had. Most noticeable in dark conditions or when looking at a plain background.

The images sound like hypnogogoic imagery, another common trance symptom.

[zConcept]

Thank you astralspinner for your insightful answer and I appreciate it.

I would like to add after feeling the pain in my hands it seemed to be comming from my upper tendons. I pushed my fingers from each hand across each wrist to see if they would move as if relaxed and that seemed to be the case. But I could be wrong.

Planning on trying again tonight too see how much further I can get. Last nights bout left me restless for an additional 3 hours, which frustrated me. Have always had trouble falling asleep but once I have it is very easy to fall back, even if im hitting my snooze button every 7 minutes for hours on the weekends. []

[zConcept]

In regards to the vision. When I look at a wall there is no staring involved, or any object for that matter. It is always there "behind the scenes" and I only consciously see it when im looking for it. But it's pritty hard not to notice it, especially at night where it does distort my vision. Like looking through the lens of a crappy camera.

I'll definatly have to try spreading my fingers, normally keep my hands on my abdomen. Everytime I do try to project my hands do tense up, it may be caused by the rope technique. When I visualize, I see myself gripping the rope and squeezing it tight, while pulling myself up forcefully.

[EnderZ]

I know exactly what you mean about what your seeing.  For me its almost the same way. When I look at something, its like it gives off an outline or a shadow. Its something that if i dont pay attention too, i wont notice it, but its always there in the background.

also same to the person who said something like "a soup of particles"  i always see them zooming around and swirling toghether.

as for your hand, sounds like energy blockage

[zConcept]

Hello, I've recently started practicing OBEs and normally wouldn't ask for help so soon (my second attempt). I have been using my own method for inducing conscious OBEs, a variation of the YOYO and ROPE technique.

My method consists mainly of visualizing / tactile visualization, pulling on the rope and shifting my awareness between the ceiling light during deep inhales and shifting back to my body at exhales.

During my second attempt last night I relaxed my body and began using this method. Noticing after some time after each inhale the 'buzzing' feeling over my entire body would strengthen.

I continued this for 45 minutes. At which time the 'buzzing' feeling began to become extreme mainly at my hands to the point where I could no longer feel the sensation of touch. Noticing a medium pain in my hands as if they were under extreme tension I decided to move my fingers. As I tried I realized I couldn't without significant will. Slowly regaining the movement in my fingers, attempting to make a fist was still impossible abet causing pain. As I began gaining control over my hands there was a cold slick sweat on my palms. It took a full 15 minutes before I had complete control back but it took well over an hour for the pain and 'buzzing' sensations to completely go away.

What troubled me was the pain in my hands and I was wondering if anyone else experienced this and any advice they could impart onto me.

On an unrelated question which I have never gotten a strait answer for which has always puzzled me.  Ever since as far back as I can remember there have always been detailed patterns of light and related dull images in my vision if my eyes are closed. But the strange thing is I can see it all even when my eyes are open, it is especially vivid in dark to dim light. Looking at a wall or similar plain objects in normal light also reveals these images.

Before sleep it's not uncommon for me to see localized (individual eye) sudden pulsing greenish light that lasts for a few to several seconds in length. Not to mention hypnotic white and black inversing tunnel effect (hard to describe) and vague movie like image that constantly changes which seems to be involuntary and abstract. This may be symbols caused by my subconscious. I have yet to determine if this is true or not.

Sorry if this post is lengthy but I would appreciate any answers anyone could give me for the causes of any of these problems.