Unwanted thoughts

[Rastus]

At least 1/2 the board doesn't believe in NEG's, and will tell you to see a shrink.  I'm not in that 1/2 []

Kids and pets 'know' a lot.

You have a good resource available, USE IT!  Go talk to your hypno teacher.  You have already worked with him.  Make an appointment, tell him what's happening and ask for advice.  Perhaps he didn't look the class over too much?  Perhaps the NEG was hiding during class?  Perhaps he's just a hypnotist?

I'm not unfamiliar with NEG attachments.  My wife 17 years can attest to the combination of Anti-Depressants and NEG influence (she didn't recognize and broke down in tears after returning from a trip).

A good method to get rid of it, is to make it want to go elsewhere.  That means making yourself unpalatable.  You want to raise your vibrational energies.  Try classical music (no heavy ROCK/ACID/RAP) or something like Enya/Yanni.  No violent video games.  No violent TV or Movies.  Work on your energy body by avoiding pre-processed foods (good luck, but you can make the effort).  Try and take some long walks in a peaceful park or woodland setting (away from the noisey 'city' background most of us live in).

There are additional techniques you can try depending on what training/experience you have.

[Tayesin]

Hi,
What you experienced sounds exactly like what the Yacqui Sorceror Don Juan Matus describes as a 'Flyer'.

I have seen them myself, so know that they do exist... and the first one I saw was a couple of years before reading about them.

They are an 'energetic race', without a 3D physical form, although when you see one they appear very real and solid.  They attach to us and 'inject' thoughts into us then feed off the energy spike we create from our reactions to the thought.  You will know these types of thoughts because they are the ones you would not normally think for yourself.

The way to deal with them effectively ?  There is only one way that works with them... you must come from your quietness.  Meaning, from a quietened meditation or trance state.  This way you will be in control of the thought process and starve them off.

They will move on fairly quickly when you no longer provide the reaction to their impulse.  It may take a few days to effectively have them detach, so try to keep yourself in a non-thinking mode, if not, then try not to respond to their input into you.

Love Always. []

[AntiGravity]

quote:Originally posted by Tayesin

Hi,
What you experienced sounds exactly like what the Yacqui Sorceror Don Juan Matus describes as a 'Flyer'.

I have seen them myself, so know that they do exist... and the first one I saw was a couple of years before reading about them.

They are an 'energetic race', without a 3D physical form, although when you see one they appear very real and solid.  They attach to us and 'inject' thoughts into us then feed off the energy spike we create from our reactions to the thought.  You will know these types of thoughts because they are the ones you would not normally think for yourself.

The way to deal with them effectively ?  There is only one way that works with them... you must come from your quietness.  Meaning, from a quietened meditation or trance state.  This way you will be in control of the thought process and starve them off.

They will move on fairly quickly when you no longer provide the reaction to their impulse.  It may take a few days to effectively have them detach, so try to keep yourself in a non-thinking mode, if not, then try not to respond to their input into you.

Love Always. []

Thats really wierd, and scary. I think thats been happening to me, like Im a very happy, quiet, and accepting person. But for no reason whatsoever, a scene will appear in my head, usually about me being very angry and enraged at someone and Im like beating the crud out of them. I used to be like that, but Ive changed, and I dont know why these thoughts wont go away, everytime they happen I get so mad, and I can feel like the bad energy speading through me. Wierd thing is, I kinda like it. But I dont want to, I know its bad and I only want to think happy and lovely thoughts. Ill try to do as Rastus said, most of the music I listen to is full of negative energy type things. Ill try to just better my surroundings and the things I do. I really didnt believe in negs, but now I know they are real, and I can protect myself from them.
Take care everyone!

[Kenneth]

Hello MarcRUS,

As Rastuss mentioned, half the board doesn't believe in NEG's etc., and the other half does - Well, I am one of them who hasn't made up my mind yet, but so far I stick with the bunch, that doesn't believe [].

But - like us all, you have the oppertunity to explore different oppinions and paths, and eventually find one that fits you.

I recently wrote some lengthy explanations on my view on this kind of things, that (imho) actually gives a logical and "down to earth" explanation to the mechanics behind your thougths - and attached emotions.

I sincerrely hope, that you can use it too []


http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14115

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14031

With kind regards,

[boydster]

Rastus had all good suggestions in my opinion. The music, emotions, food, all that stuff can serve to throw off energy(food) for an agressive neg. Cut them off and they will go elsewhere.

But here is another, more intense way to remove them. Just say with all your love and desire, "Jesus!! Come into my body and dissolve all negative entities!! I give you full permission to seize and remove all dark entities from my being now!!" You can make up your own version of this but it seems to be most powerful if you actually use the name of a real, known Master.

This works instantly for me. Never fails. They either flee or are seized and removed by the Master Himself. If they come back just keep using it over and over. I swear, if I notice thoughts going through my mind which "I'd never have" normally, I stop and implore the Master to help me, and it's like shutting a door. It's instant. The thoughts stop and it's just "my thoughts" left.

[Circe]

Try coating your feet with a strong oil like Sage or lavendar. It should protect most of your energy system, particulary your root chakra from what I am told. Maybe it will force your entity off and away.

[aninfinity1717]

Try meticulously flushing the scene entirely with violet. Repeatedly cross it out with a big brown X, as you feel you have the power to stop this entity. Look/feel for yellow cord(s) attaching to you, and then send good feelings and images to the attached entity through them. As a final treat, cut the yellow wire(s), and envelope yourself in a violet, hard bubble. (preferably with mirrors facing away from you on all six sides . Good luck.

If you see the entity, surround him in ONLY VIOLET and PALE ORANGE (not dark orange).

You can also try Robert's suggestion:
"Intuitively, I adapted Dion Fortune's (Psychic Self-Defence) ritual of severance, to this situation and attacked this structure with a created sword in my right awareness hand and a burning torch in my left, repeatedly hacking away at it, then burning it with the torch. I then tackled the second core image (from dream #2) with similar results."

But ultimately, you must remove any mentality serving as the interface for this attachment, or you will be fighting forever (or at least, will be fighting again).

[daem0n]

drain him (not to yourself, use some kind of vessel/construct), change energy into positive and give to the universe, use bruce method with the picture to destroy anchor, he should go find easier snack
Tayesin:
are flyers this "cloudy" things with tentacles or are something different, i don't ap, no astral sight either

[pxr87]

quote:Originally posted by boydster

Rastus had all good suggestions in my opinion. The music, emotions, food, all that stuff can serve to throw off energy(food) for an agressive neg. Cut them off and they will go elsewhere.

But here is another, more intense way to remove them. Just say with all your love and desire, "Jesus!! Come into my body and dissolve all negative entities!! I give you full permission to seize and remove all dark entities from my being now!!" You can make up your own version of this but it seems to be most powerful if you actually use the name of a real, known Master.

This works instantly for me. Never fails. They either flee or are seized and removed by the Master Himself. If they come back just keep using it over and over. I swear, if I notice thoughts going through my mind which "I'd never have" normally, I stop and implore the Master to help me, and it's like shutting a door. It's instant. The thoughts stop and it's just "my thoughts" left.

based on my personnel experience, praying  JESUS works nicely, but the negatives will come back with vengeance. negs can use techniques of  working in background with out our recognition, feeding with thoughts of non-action and forgetfulness , even the emotional triggering from our family members etc. Only solution is to be conscious of every thought and emotion and doing self analysis frequently  to identify the hiding entity and taking help from evolved beings like Jesus.  Based on my personnel experience, this is very involving exhaustive process rather than simple solution for all the tactics negs use.

[Sampson]

Hi Marc,
I can really identify with you regarding these unwanted thoughts, I often had thoughts that were always out of character and were often concerned with subjects that I would never dream of acting out or upon. It's something that I had suffered with for a long time until I found a solution to the problem.

One recommendation I would start with is to not suppress these thoughts, in my case this has always resulted in simply worsening the situation, sooner or later the thought will return with a vengeance, and can often be more distressing than before it was suppressed.

A simple example to show the effects and power that thought suppression has is as follows:

Sit in a comfortable and quiet place. Now, think of a Giraffe continuously for one minute (yes I know it sounds strange but bear with me!), have a friend time you with a watch. Raise your finger anytime the Giraffe disappears from your mind.

How did you do? You may have found that it was difficult to think and focus on the Giraffe for the full length of time, and that you raised your finger often.

Ok, now reverse the above experiment and try Not to think of a Giraffe for one minute. How did it go? You may have found that by suppressing the thoughts of the Giraffe and trying not to think about it you actually ended up paradoxically generating more thoughts and images.

The technique I use to overcome these unwanted thoughts is to become a passive observer of them. When a negative or unpleasant thought comes into my mind I briefly acknowledge it's presence but pay it no attention and certainly don't let it antagonize or frustrate me, no matter how repulsive or upsetting it is.

I then calmly and quietly observe the thought as if it were a cloud floating and dissipating in a clear blue sky as it silently passes through my mindscape. You may prefer to use visualisations of your own that hold more relevance or power for you.

I do actually believe in what are referred to as 'Negs', disruptive and unpleasant thought forms if they are paid/fed enough attention/energy can take on a life and identity all of their own. I have often come across such thought forms in my dream state and their appearance is always the same; invertebrate, repulsive, base and parasitic in nature.

Speaking to a close and trustworthy member of the family or a best friend about these thoughts and how you feel can be a very cathartic experience, and will often help relieve a great deal of the burden.

If this is not possible then try writing down the thoughts that disturb you, then take some time away from what you have written. Return a day or two later when you have a clear and still mind and read what you previously wrote, remembering to do so from the viewpoint of an observer, try and provide a rational critique of what you have written.

Take care, and remember don't be provoked or antagonised by these thoughts, pay them no heed and they will soon starve and wither.

Kind regards

S

(Giraffe lesson taken from the book 'The Imp of the Mind: Exploring the silent epidemic of obsessive bad thoughts' by Lee Baer.

[cprince]

Dear Marc,

Believe me, I know exactly how you feel. In fact I am still under this form of attack.  But I think you've won half the battle by recognizing it.

Be it psychic attack or not, I believe everyone in this world goes through negative thoughts everyday.  But the characteristics of it being psychic include

1) frequent repetition within a short span of time,
2) the same kind of thoughts with little variation,
3) the negative thoughts weaken your chakra (except the heart and solar plexus) and you can feel the straining and tight feeling on the chakra,
4) It usual concerns a past trauma that you have not gotten over with.
5) It hit right at your emotion.

I can think of these at the moment.

The very first thing to do is be <MINDFUL>. If you practice buddhist meditation you should know what I mean. In your meditation you let your thoughts flow like a river, never chase a thought no matter how tempering it is.  The thing about this kind of thought is that it comes with a sweet coating, that makes you want to entertain it. This makes ignoring it difficult and it calls for very strong willpower.

Take it this way, the thoughts are nothing but an enemy scolding you an "as*hole" (*) (a picture speaks thousand words). What do you do? Of course you ignore it because you wouldn't turn into a human walking (*) with the words.  If you reacted angrily, you fell into the trap of that enemy.

Remember, as soon as you recognise that thought coming inside you. Say STOP to yourself and that's as far as it can go.  It is not easy, it takes character, willpower and strength.  But you knew it's nature so why open door for the attack?  God gave us free will, don't let demon take that away from you.

This is no about suppressing the thoughts.  Firstly, you need to resolve the issue yourself. Sit down alone in a quiet room, light an incense, and think about the problem. Why is there such a thought or fantasy.  Having weird fantasy is common for everyone, you think yours is a sin, try comparing with mine.  If it concerns some experience of yourself or your loved ones and you could not get over with what happened, think again. Everything happened for a reason. It happened because of karma.  Like it or not, cause and effect.  You need to forgive yourself and others.  Forgive and give thanks. Forgive because everyone acted out of illusion, give thanks because you learnt.

ONCE YOU HAVE RESOLVED THE ISSUE YOURSELF (YOU ARE PROBABLY TIRED AND DRAINED), WRITE DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER SAYING THAT THE ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED AND SIGNED IT AND INCLUDES THE DATE.  SEAL IT IN ANY ENVELOP. So whatever the thoughts arising, remember the envelop and tell yourself, "see, the issue has been resolve.  No need to think about it anymore".

We are here to learn, everything in this world is like a dream, why take it so seriously.  My childhood seems like a blink of an eye ago, and the next blink I am an old man.  The only difference is what I've learnt about this life and what I can take away with me, and submit my report card to God.

Next you need to roughly guess the person launching the attack on you. Not to revenge but possibly resolve any issues between you and that person.  If no human was involve that it's like to be a roaming neg that saw the opening for attack.  Another possibility is a mind control by some institution or organization. Have you join any new age group recently? NLP perhaps. Always be careful about shrink and hypnotist.

These thoughts originates from you, and you are the only person who can resolve it.  Remember you have these thoughts because you took illusion for reality.

Through my own experience, I am at awe on how thoughts can be easily implanted into me.  There is a voice that speaks directly to me, or a thought suggested by some events, or even direct manipulation of your chakra to release the toxic emotional imprint.

If you are Reiki attuned, heal yourself more than once a day particularly on your solar plexus. Use the symbol SHK and put a CKR on top of it.  Heal your chakra, make them spin in high frequencies.  These negative thoughts arouse negative emotions that lower your frequencies, making you easier target for subsequent attack on your energy field.

Come on friend, you are not alone.  Let's learn from this and get out of it a stronger man.

[MarcRUS]

Hello everyone,

I've become increasing concerned of a neg attachment, there for possibly  some time. I had managed to control myself for some time and eventually the bad thoughts I'd been having went away. But now they're back. I went on a course in hypnotherapy and my thoughts did come under my control again. But they're back again. I don't want to divulge what these thoughts are. But I became quite freaked out after they returned to me last night. And then I got up this morning and my housemate is minding her niece who's 2/3 I think. And the child was terrified of me, and I don't know why. She's always been uneasy with me but this morning she was terrified of me and it really freaked me out because she's normally just been shy but today she was quite frightened by me. To the point where the whole car journey I went on with her in the back seat (and me in the front with my housemate) that she had her hands over her eyes for the whole journey. Only when I got out the car did she put her hands down.

I've heard that children can sense dark forces and what was ironic was that my housemate (who told me she doesn't believe in anything of a spiritual nature anymore) did mention that children can sense dark forces and I had been thinking the same thing. Coincidence? I don't know! I'm not a bad person, but my thoughts have made me feel as though I am for so long. I haven't had this much control over them since I was 15 when this all started. I'm now 21. The hypnotherapy course which lasted for 2 weeks helped to balance my mind again but when it was over I went back to work and life returned to normal and stress came back and I soon find myself returning to the way things were and my spiritual calm diminishing again.

I used to have a feeling of always being on the brink of tears, that if I just tried a bit harder I'd be able to bring myself to cry. That went away with my course but now it's back again and I don't enjoy feeling like this. I have wanted to approach my hypnotherapy teacher (a very spiritual man and a great healer) but I don't feel comfortable telling anyone the things that come into my mind.

Can anyone provide any assistance or advice on how to get rid of this neg if indeed there is one. I have a meditation course in Vipassana coming up soon which I am looking forward to and I'm hoping that I'll be able to use that meditation to balance myself once again. But for now, I'd just like some advice from anyone who can help.

Kindest regards,
Marc