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[Mobius]

G,day Spastral

Welcome to the site from another member here,go to the reading list topic on the General Metaphysics forum for a general idea of some books you can get.Also if you have not allready,go back to the home
page of this site & print out Robert Bruces treatise & N.E.W.
If you havn't allready been to these sites go to;

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/

http://www.essive.com/astralrealm/

http://www.tanega.com/astral/signpost.html

And just generally go through this site Astral pulse & Frank has
posted some good letters so click on his name & read the questions
& answers.

Good luck mate

Mobius

[jucafern]

To whom it may concern:
Thanks to Robert Bruce I am succeeding in my OOBs (very humble results so far but very promising ones). After 46 years of search, something is working for me (THANKS, BRUCE !!!!).

But sometimes I have doubts that "destroy" energies that took me a lot of time to store. Today, for instances, I was reading (my 4th time) Robert's "Astral Dynamics", page 163 (I believe) and in there Robert emphasizes the functioning of the Heart-primary center in the generation of energy NEEDED for the creation of our astral body. I agree 100% with this statement, but suddenly I remembered reading other authors reporting INSTANTANEOUS OOBs. In other words ...
(a) from reading Robert's book, I realize of the importance of NEW in order to activate primary and secondary centers that will be used in the creation of an astral vehicle
(b) from other authors, it seems that the astral vehicle is already there, just waiting for the right opportunity (car accident, violent fall, violent push, etc.) to "escape" from the physical body.

How can I "digest" these two (at 1st sight) different point of views? I mean, how is it possible to have an instantaneous OOB without the preparation that seems necessary according to my understanding of Robert's teaching?

Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on this issue.

Cheers.

jucafern

[Conn]

Hi jucafern,

I think you can relax, you don't need to accept two conflicting viewpoints. What you're implying by car accidents etc. suggest you're talking not about an OBE, but an NDE (Near-Death Experience). Whats the relevence? When an NDE occurs it is not the astral body that seperates, but in fact the etheric body, which is the powerhouse (or the spirit) of the human body. When this leaves the body, physical death occurs (unless it can reintegrate as per NDE).

So, in other words, in accidents etc, the astral body is not escaping, but the "original copy", the etheric (which the astral body is usually copied from according to RB).

SPASTRAL: The best advice is to read Mobius' recommended list of links, and I feel I should add a few

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/dreams-faq/lucid-dreaming-faq/
http://www.lucidmetro.cjb.net
http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html

Note that these are aimed ad lucid dreams. Arguably it's very similar to OBE, but if you disagree it's still possible to induce OBEs from within a lucid dream.

Another thing: I don't think you can actually pull them out of body. I have heard that if you find them wandering around the astral (or etheric) half-conscious, you can attempt to wake them, but you may not have too much luck (as RB says, they have an annoying habit to fall asleep mid-sentence)

So, basically, when you project, feel for the essence of the person you want to meet, then expect to transport there instantly or you'll find them around the corner etc, and see if you can wake them

Regards
Conn

[Kodemaster]

The technique that worked for me was this:

Just as you lay down for bed at night, start thinking about OBE as much as possible. Think about it so much, that it's in the back of your head. Keep thinking about it until you fall asleep.

As you doze off, feel yourself separate. (We do this every night when we sleep.) At the right moment, focus on your third eye. If you do it just right, you will have an OBE.

It also helps to exercise and/or have a good laugh before you lie down. That will relax you!

Good luck,

Jeni

[SPASTRAL]

I need some help, I'm really struggling to find a way of projecting.  I once read that people can help others to project by visiting them (I don't know if this is on the Astral or Etheric) and helping them separate.

Also, if anyone can advise on a commonly "easy" (used in the broadest possible terms) method of projection for a beginner (have known about Astral Projection for years, but never actually made enough effort until recently) I have experienced an overwhelming desire to project ever since I once "woke up" in a dream and found that I could control it.  I have never managed to consciously project since then, but the desire is definately there.

Any help would be appreciated.  I have arranged to have a couple of nights off (starting tonight) from my girlfriend so I can attempt projection without being too disturbed.

Regards,

Spencer.