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[WalkerInTheWoods]

Gee Wiz, you are full of questions. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>    Are orgies wrong? Is having sex with more than one person wrong? Yes and no. If you do not feel such things are wrong then who is to say that they are wrong? I think the wrong comes about when it hurts someone else. Like if you are with a partner or are married and your partner wants a monogomous (spelling??) relationship. I think it would be wrong to engage in such acts, but truthly it would probably be even more wrong to be with someone who has such conflicting views and desires as yourself.

Is it wrong to use condoms and birth control? Is it wrong to bring a child into the world that you will not be able to take care of, don't want, will abuse, or bring into a bad situation? Condoms and birth control may not be natural but they do provide an solution to potential bad or difficult situation. One could say, "Just don't have sex if you do not want a child," but how realistic is this? We are all human, unless you are a very special animal or some other species that is reading this, and we all have desires, wants, and yes needs. Sex is pleasurable, people have sex for pleasure, bonding, and love (and sometimes other things but lets remain positive). But one function of sex is to reproduce. And lets face it, most of the time when people have sex they do not wish to reproduce. So what does one do?

We all seek pleasure, but in doing so we need to use our minds and think about how this pleasure will effect us as well as others.

I think the real problem here is right and wrong. Is everything assigned a right or wrong value? Is everything so black and white? I think we live in a world that is mostly grey and not black or white.

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by Arie:
What does everyone think about condoms?  Is it eh wrong?  I mean you could make the argument that its wise....because if you don't want to have kids and you use condoms its smart.  But then you could make the argument that its unnatural its going against nature etc and anything going against nature is wrong.  But is it really?  

I think anyone who thinks condoms is wrong is someone who is basing their belief on some in-grown religious indoctrination.  Let's not forget that condoms also PROTECT against diseases.

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How about birth control pills.....is that wrong?   I mean with condoms and birth control pills your not hurting anyone so how can it be wrong?  It must be neutral not right or wrong. Comments?

Again, I believe anyone who demonizes the use of any birth control is, if you'll pardon the expression, a religious nutcase.  The only reason why these types of people would believe such a thing is because, in my opinion, they believe that sex is sacred and any sexual interaction should be for the procreation of our species.  Not to mention, they also believe that the spilling of the seed (semen) is a sin.

I think when you take a step back and look at this through spiritual eyes (as opposed to religious eyes), you may see the silliness of it all.  What does wearting a condom or using birth control have to do with the progression of my spirit in this lifetime?  Is it hindering me?  Of course not.

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What about orgies is that wrong?  To have sex with more that one person.  I mean who says you only have to have sex with one person.  I would like someone to prove to me that orgies are wrong.  I mean how can anything that gives pleasure be wrong?  You know what I mean?

Ok, here we go.  I'm of the belief that having pleasure in this life is not wrong.  However, I also feel that sexual pleasure can be a very dangerous thing to our growth.  Although the thought of having an orgie with lots of hot chicks is a fantasy shared by many guys, you start to get into the realm of lusting.  Once you start to let these sexual fantasies control you, it can seriously hinder your spiritual growth.  You become fixated on the physical and less on the non-physical.

So to answer your question, I wouldn't say that orgies are wrong, but most people who partake in them are playing with fire (IMO) because they are feeding their lustful desires which is counteractive to spiritual growth.

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 Then eh I come to masturbation......is that wrong?  Again this comes back to pure pleasure.  How can any form of pleasure be wrong.

Just like above.  There is nothing wrong with masturbation, IMO.  But if you do it so much that you have to part the hair on your palms, then you're focused too much on it.  I think masturbation should be a release for a person...sometimes it's a good stress reliever.  Other times, it's a good relaxer.  But if you start NEEDING it, then you have a problem.  Just my opinion.

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Oh I thought of a counter argument.  Some people find killing people a pleasure.  But to me it doesn't matter.  Thats just plain wrong.  Eh...........this is very confusing!  

With killing, you're harming others and affecting them.  Anything that you do which has an adverse effect on someone else's spiritual growth is wrong, IMO.  Masturbation doesn't effect anyone else but yourself.......or your spouse if they walk in on you!

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But still masturbation doesn't hurt anyone!  I don't see that as wrong.  I would love to hear all of your thoughts on this.

I can tell that you're really pondering this hard!  I've been in your shoes  before regarding this issue, but I'm much wiser now about my feelings on the subject.


Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash
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[fredhedd]

hump everyone as many times as you can

[Tom]

For a tv show about stupid people, a scene was shown in a commercial. Someone who was supposed to be an ordinary person walking down a street was asked what a condiment is. This average person explained that a condiment is a mint to be eaten by a man after sex. I don't want to know the rest of the story.

It is true that a condom is effective protection against pregnancy and other sexually transmitted diseases. Not all sexually transmitted diseases, though. I have also read of using condoms on shared sex toys, so that substituting a new condom could allow the device to be shared without an exchange of bodily fluids.

Condoms do not protect men from losing energy through sex. Other methods are required to either minimize or prevent loss of energy. Mantak Chia has several thoughts on how to do this. He is a very good author. His experience includes not only chi kung but also kundalini yoga. His explanations are clear, too.

As to whether different combinations of having sex is a good thing or a bad thing, from one person alone to three or more together, I'd have to say neutral until proven otherwise. It depends on if everyone involved is getting something out of the situation. I have been told that combinations of three or more people having sex are frequently awkward and disappointing for the people involved. Perhaps practice is required.

Sure, some people find pleasure from things that most people would not approve of, like murder. It has even been argued that going to the grocery to buy a pound of hamburger is as much murder as personally killing a cow. Some religions require carrying a broom to sweep away any insects which might otherwise be stepped on (Jainism), and they would not begin to tolerate cars or airplanes. Many small children think they like to pull leaves from trees or the legs from insects. It seems, though, that just about everyone outside of prison disagrees with killing people other than in war (when good Christians can safely enjoy taking human life). Since there is so much variety on what can be considered pleasant by some and wrong by others, it is probably for the best to have consistent laws applying to everyone. There are laws about sex, too, and for good reasons.

[James S]

I'm in agreement with Jeff Mash here, he's pretty much covered my thoughts.
A few additional thoughts -

As to wehter condoms are natural?  Well, deodorants aren't natural. Anyone want to stop using them?

Ask women living in some areas of India and Africa how they would feel about birth control. It's the traditions of their society and religions held in place by hard headed ignorant males that are ultimately causing gross overpopulation in the areas.

On methods for reducing stress in your life, according to the wisdom of the author of the "Complete Calm" series of books,  the best relief for sexual tension is a good orgasm.

Too many hypocritical religious organisations have imposed too many strictures on anything to do with sex, mainly because they've repressed their own sexuality that much, they can't cope with anyone else having a normal healthy sex life.

James.

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by James S:
As to wehter condoms are natural?  Well, deodorants aren't natural. Anyone want to stop using them?

Well said, James.  I agree with your entire post completely, and you had a good point about the deodorant.



Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash
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[Tom]

There are pieces of crystal for deoderants. When moistened and applied they leave a mineral residue behind which kills bacteria. It is not an anti-perspirant, and it is not scented. It just keeps the bacteria from digesting the stuff coming out of sweat glands and so the unpleasant chemicals from that digestion are not produced. Dead bacteria don't eat much. How much more natural can deoderant be than to use the crystal?

Clothing really isn't natural. Even so, I get cold too easily to seriously suggest that no one should wear clothes. There is also the fact that unhealthy bodies are not especially attractive to look at and the country where I live is not known for having an unusually healthy population.

[Arie]

What does everyone think about condoms?  Is it eh wrong?  I mean you could make the argument that its wise....because if you don't want to have kids and you use condoms its smart.  But then you could make the argument that its unnatural its going against nature etc and anything going against nature is wrong.  But is it really?  How about birth control pills.....is that wrong?   I mean with condoms and birth control pills your not hurting anyone so how can it be wrong?  It must be neutral not right or wrong. Comments?  What about orgies is that wrong?  To have sex with more that one person.  I mean who says you only have to have sex with one person.  I would like someone to prove to me that orgies are wrong.  I mean how can anything that gives pleasure be wrong?  You know what I mean?  Then eh I come to masturbation......is that wrong?  Again this comes back to pure pleasure.  How can any form of pleasure be wrong.  Oh I thought of a counter argument.  Some people find killing people a pleasure.  But to me it doesn't matter.  Thats just plain wrong.  Eh...........this is very confusing!  But still masturbation doesn't hurt anyone!  I don't see that as wrong.  I would love to hear all of your thoughts on this.

Adios

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