A point of view it is a Prison universe

[Tom]

When we wake up from sleep, the dreams which seemed real fade away. When we wake up from this waking existence, it also is no longer real. Good or bad, we all have the potential to be free.

[Lysear]

I like this, intellegent philosophical debate. How can any of us really know the nature of the universe? the answer is we cant. We can profess to know, construct religions around our beliefs, and fight wars over whos right or wrong.

But in the end I dont believe we'll ever know the true nature of the universe until we're ready to know.

[anteus]

quote:Originally posted by Lysear

I like this, intellegent philosophical debate. How can any of us really know the nature of the universe? the answer is we cant.

I often base my assumption on memories and intuition and readings.
These are probabilistic assumptions as everything.
Still, they may be true.

[KP]

I am happy with not knowing the nature.  If I knew the nature, where would the mystery be?  I like mystery

[Shawn McCaffrey]

I used to think that the physical demension was hell, like it says in the bible, good guys go to heavan bad guys go to hell, so we come back and have a chance to redeem ourselves, seeing how this is the lowest plane.  And I suppose all beings good or bad can come back.  Just a thought![]

[Lysear]

most occult writings I have read would tend to disagree on the point that we're the lowest plane. For example in kabbalistic writings (stop me if i'm wrong I read it a while ago now!) god first tried to create the universe and failed, creating the keliphot (spelling?) full of demons and these are lower planes. only then did god manage to create the universe.

but if you do not believe in the kabbalah then this is a moot point. maybe we are the lowest plane. maybe there are no planes?

[powder]

It doesnt really matter if its all a prison
Relativity, everything is relative to us - there is no point
of speculating because only when we see it can we know its real
( quantum theory ).

I like to think of the physical world as a wonderland for the spirits
because people are just spirits with a physical part.
spirit + physical > spirit
therefore spirits probably have a waiting list to get to the physical
realm because they are more than just spirits here, thats why I think
it mustn't be all bad [].

I dont know about the Kabbalah but I read ( a LONG while ago ) in the
Tora that god created a bunch of really nasty people and he had to
flood them for 40 days and 40 nights to kill them all [].

[Adrian]

Greetings Lysear,

quote:Originally posted by Lysear

but if you do not believe in the kabbalah then this is a moot point. maybe we are the lowest plane. maybe there are no planes?

Your comment is truer than you might think. There are no delineated "planes" as such - the Universe is rather a continuum with the very highest vibration and very lowest density at the highest/innermost level of the Akasha, to the lowest very vibration, very highest density at the lowest/outermost level of the Akasha -i.e. undifferentiated matter - the physical world in which we live.

The beings of the Universe exist in the level of the Akasha that corresponds to the vibration and density of the Astral/Mental body - and that includes human beings who being composed of matter vibrate at the same rate as the physical Universe and which gives the illusion that it is solid.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Lysear]

Adrian,

 what kind of belief system is that you are talking about? I have never really heard it explained like that before and it interests me.

[anteus]

It may be just a prison universe, a rehabilitation center.
It is a mental institution.
It is collection of fallen "angels", that is bunch of losers.

Everyone is who reincarnated is a loser.
Beings who lost their power becoming one with matter..

Death is a review process of prisoners.
Bad guys have another go. Good guys also have another go.
It is a trap with the illusion of that you can get out.
Who said that you can get out?(legally)
What if angels may be evil as well?

It may be possible if you have a supporter in the higher dimension.
Maybe you are real bad guy who commited sins in the higher dimension.
Or simply your are political prisoner who lost in power struggles in the higher dimension? And the losers go to the prison..
Who knows???
There are many tiny traps placed in this universe.
WHo wants a bunch of losers? Traps are meant to keep everyone here.
Die and you will forget everything. This may be the trick.
If you forget how will you get out?
What if you get accustomed to the prison life and don't know how to live in the real life???
What a trap???
What did it ever work to put somebody among other prisoners??
They would teach other how to become even better criminals...
It is dark place for dark beings.