portals, and grids, and shaman holes, oh my!

[Kazbadan]

I agree with you. This forum it what makes me want to continue, until get my first OBE. If i only read a book or two about obes, i will learn many things about how to do it, but that is not enough. We humans need interact with each other, share opinions, ideas and fears. It´s all this contact with others astral projectors that makes me believe that Obes are real and possible, that they are fantastic and that there is no reason for fears.

If i get an OBE, i must be thankful to everyone here, and to all the contact and exchange of ideas in Astral Pulse, instead of being thankful  just to a single author or book.

[clandestino]

hi kazbadan !

I got my first few OBE's by :

1) getting into a routine of practise.
2) reading lots of books on the subject,
3) most important I think, is believing it is possible. I was lucky in that I'd had a couple of spontaneous OBE's, so I already knew that it was real. But you need to strongly believe that you can do it, even when repeated attempts end in failure... (i haven't had one in a while)

cheers !
ps - i agree completely, this forum is a big help.

[Kazbadan]

thanks for the help Clandestino! I believe strongly on OBE´s. The main two problems that i have now are two:

- develop a solid technique suitable for me (i have a special problem in relaxing - and when that happens i fall sleep!)

- dissipate all the fears on OBE- i have a fear (i cannot precise wich one) that stops me from OBE. I don´t know wich is that fear, maybe the fear of the unknow, or the fear of getting crazy... i have no idea...

I´m starting slowly in getting a daily routine (i tried to OBE today - it was my third atempt in one week or a little more -that´s a beggining). About reading books about OBEs, i think it helps because you get used to the idea that you can OBE. I´m reading now my second book (an ebook): Treatise on AP from R.Bruce.

But believe me that the biggest help come from this forum!

[sstonevenuss]

I was just telling myself that because i found this web site, at the right time for the right reasons...things would start to happen...

I had just read here recently about other people's "tricks" to getting OBEs. So just last night i was thinking about it before i went to bed, wondering if dinner would keep me grounded, and it would happen in the morning, like it usually does.

so this morning, i was dreaming (i always know when it's a dream, always.) i came to a door that i could not open. i was very aware of the feel of the carpet and pressure under my feet.(this seemed important)then i remembered what i had read here about realizing you are in a dream and wanting to go further and have an OBE. zoom! I was up in the stars!

then i remembered the post about the gal that went to "help" someone and thought that would be a good thing to do, and thought to ask for a guide, then i remembered about the porthole and grids and graphics people see...poof the stars became a digital white and black squares pattern (not a checker board) a digital pattern. then the white squares moved into a multi-armed spiral formation.



i flowed it into the center and it became a white tree, branches, trunk, roots into the ground...all white, no leaves, same black background. I have travelled down tree roots before,(real ones) so looked for a gap in the ground next to a root, found one, then backed out and felt pressure on the bottom of my feet.

I realized i was lying on my bed, the pressure on my feet again, and i could hear the air conditioner, and feel the pillow beside me in my hand. i did not want to wake up so i thought of my husband, who is away for 2 weeks, and I found myself in a military area, I saw my husband put up an antenna, he gave me a vaccuum out of a little blue car, gave me a young leutenant to assist me and off we went to suck up a "neg" into the vaccuum. ...found neg, assistant failed to plug in vaccuum in time, chase neg... assistant freezes up and i am back in dreamland...feeling the pillow and pressure on the feet(feet pressure is something i'm sure i only noticed after reading about it on the posts) i have never noticed it so much before.  and i know i am back in my bed...and awake.

i think it very cool that, even though i have not had an experience in MONTHS, i was able to conciously incorporate the things I've learned here, at will.

the point of all of this...what few posts i have made, and read, i am still learning new things, and this experience proved, again, that i believe what i have seen, and the advice i have given is based only on my own experiences...and in believing in the infinate possibilities opens the door to experiencing them...so which comes first? seeing or believing? they are sooooo close!  

no sooner do i think or say something, and it happens...always. A.