What a Great Question!!!

[Nagual]

I can just relate experiencing a few times being aware of both my dream body and my physical body at the same time...  "Double conscious"

In one of Castaneda's book, he describes one experience where the "dreamer" was watching the "dreamnt", and vice versa...  He kept switching from one to the other.  Also, he said that some sorcerers could live a normal life in 2 different places in //; one in their physical bodies and the other in their dream bodies...  One "crazy" thing about that was that he was saying that, from the dreamnt point of view, the dreamer was the dreamnt one... so he could "wake up" in his dream body instead of his physical body!  Which he said he did...

Anyway, how many people were able to project and see their physical body lying on their bed...?

[Nagual]

That just remind me of a funny dream!

I was having a normal dream, walking in my hometown with 2 friends...  At one point, one of my friend begins to get close to me; really close.  I get a little bit annoyed. I continue to walk and my friend continues to stick to me like if he was glued or something.  Suddenly, I am lying on my bed, next to a dark body.  I did not notice the change of place at that time.  Still annoyed by my friend being too close, I felt this dark body too close too.  I start to push it away; but it is very difficult/heavy...  I try, again, and again, and... finaly succeed!  But, as the dark body begins to fall off the bed, I realize that I am this dark body falling!  I am conscious of both my body on the bed and the one falling!  And, before hitting the ground, my awarness is back in my body and here comes the vibration... but I miss the take off...

[shaman]

To me it seems that when we lose consciousness we only lose the memory of that part. So that the conscious mind is always there, we are always aware of something, our life in the physical, our dreams, etc... but then at one point there is an "eraser" that makes the memory of a given period dissapear. And when we are back to normal memory, then we cannot remember where we were, what we did, what we saw, what we heard, etc... Exactly as in the dream world. If you don't make an effort to remember your dreams, in the morning you can say that you were not conscious all the night and you went to bed, put your head on the pillow, locsed your eyes, and then - nothing - a gap - and then suddenly it is morning and time to get up... Well it is just a "loss of memory" that we were conscious, this is how I define non-consicousness. We are always conscious, but we get some memory fault signal that erase a part of it and that part we then call it "without" consciousness, it is really without "memory" of consciousness.

Does anyone else agree?

[T_Kman0610]

i kind of had the same thing happen to as Nagual, i was dreaming and i kind of fell out of the dream for a split sec and than i went beack into the dream. very weird

[GhostRider]

I always thought that when the body and mind were truly unconscious that the consciousness itself remained asleep.  When you were asleep, but still partially conscious, then the mind/consciousness wandered in a O.B.E. or dream state, depending on the perspective of the dreamer her/himself.  

But in actuality, I don't know, I always thought the consciousness was the REAL you. And the body was just the hardware you peered at the world with and manipulated your way around in, much like a corporeal suit of armour.  And if it is indeed the REAL you, then you can no longer seperate the consciousness from yourself than you could the sky from the gas that makes up the sky.

[Lawnmower Man]

Did anyone besides Shaman and Ghost Rider, actually read my post?  Ghost Rider, I think consciousness by definition can not sleep, that would be un-conscious or non-consciousness.


Lawnmower Man

[Nagual]

quote: Did anyone besides Shaman and Ghost Rider, actually read my post?

Read your post?  No.  Why?  []

[Lawnmower Man]

I figured if anyone would know what to do with a post, it would be the french[]

[Lawnmower Man]

What a Great Question!!

Where does the conscious mind go?

I was reading a section from a book by Muldoon and Carrington.  The section is titled "Where and What is the conscious mind?".

Here is a summarized text from:  The Projection of the Astral Body

Where does it exist?  Where is the conscious mind, when it is not conscious?  . . . we know we are using the mind, and that it (apparently) becomes unconscious.  Yet, where is it, during unconsciousness?  That is the great question!  It seems . . . ridiculous to believe that the conscious mind can instantly evaporate into nothing . . .  Now, if it were possible for the conscious mind to become 'nothing', during the interval of sleep/coma, how could it recreate itself at the end of that interval, with duplicate perfection - from nothing?  And, on the other hand, if it be still in existence, throughout the oblivious period, how can we account for the fact that we are not conscious at the place where consciousness exists?  And where DOES consciousness exist?

. . . Others are of the opinion that, when sleep intervenes, the conscious mind is exteriorized in the astral body - therefore one is unconscious.  But how is it that the subject is not always aware of being exteriorized in the astral body, . . .

I think this is truly a great question!

Here are my thoughts along with some questions and possible answers.

If it is possible that during astral projection for the conscious mind to shift from the physical to the etheric, then to the real time body or the astral body and so on.  Then I believe it is possible that the conscious mind is always active, moving from one body to the next.  Think about this, it's the physical body that needs sleep, not our consciousness.  Why would God, higher beings or even ghosts need to take a nap, unless it be habitual?  What I mean is, isn't their consciousness constant?

I believe we've been given a wonderful learning tool in astral projection (with or without physical awareness).  Astral projection is the only way (I know of) a physical human can access "hands on" higher levels of learning.  What would be the purpose of accessing this information in a comatose state.  Perhaps, while our physical mind is inconscious our conscious mind is making its way from one body and plane to the next like grades in the oldest university in existence.  The whole time storing what it learns and experiences in the memories of the corresponding body or highest developed body.  If you think about it, the higher bodies have the ability to store memories.  After all, if the physical conscious and subconscious were our only storage centers then death of the physical would be the death of us.  Hopefully, the following Q & A will fill in some of the holes I left in this statement.

Why do we not remember any or all of this?

1. Maybe all the memories are being stored in the subconscious (shadow memories) waiting to be accessed by whatever body is developed enough to retrieve them.

2. Maybe the highest body is the only body that has complete access to all the memories of all the bodies, with each body below it having access to its corresponding level and all the ones below it.

3. Some combination of the first two.

What about conscious exit and re-entry?

1. The physical/etheric awareness maintains control of the projected body via the silver cord or some form of telepathy.

2. Version of mind-split:  During re-entry the memories are downloaded into the physical brain during the sleep/awake or flicker stage of consciousness.

What about when I become conscious in the middle of a projection?

1. The physical becomes roused for some reason, creating the sleep/awake state of consciousness, like the waking hours when most spontaneous projections take place.  During this stage the projected body's awareness shifts back to the physical creating a link to the physical brain via the silver cord.  You ever wonder why, when you become aware in the middle of a projection you can't remember what you or projected body were doing?  Why you were at that particular place.  Maybe, this is a result of the physical/etheric not being developed enough to access these memories.

What are my astral bodies doing while I'm not aware?

1. I believe we are higher beings in training and if consciousness is 24/7, why sit idle?  Hopefully, we are out there learning, exploring and doing good deeds.

What about duality?

Maybe this happens while awareness is moving between bodies, like what you might feel if your awareness moved into the middle of the silver cord between bodies momentarily receiving and storing information in both locations.

What about those mindless semi-conscious projected drifters you see on the astral planes?

1. Consciousness has moved on to a higher body/plane, leaving that body behind like bread crumbs or a link in a chain that holds our bodies together.

2. Or they are simply thought forms, never seeing a drifter until you read or hear about one.

What is the mind?

I believe it is conscious awareness:  Gaining more power, awarenss and memories while moving up through the bodies.  Next time you project, explore your memories, not your surroundings.  Maybe it's possible to gain access to the higher level memories if they exist or if you're developed enough.

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I only read this yesterday and posted this today, so if it has some holes in it, you have to forgive and remember it's a theory.

I think this is a valid question, and if there is some truth to what I've said about the conscious mind, then it brings about the possibility for some new and ingenious projection techniques or refinement of older ones.

Maybe the reason Robert Bruce's NEW energy system works so well is because it increases psychic ability/power helping us create that telepathic link with our projected bodies.

I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts and inputs on the conscious mind.



Lawnmower Man