electronic voice phenomena proof (?)

[Grigori]

Well I believe EVP is real but I don't think it proves anything about an after life. Since some "ghosts" are considered to be just residual energy recordings it seems to me that an EPV could just as likely be an audio residual energy recording. Neat site though []

[malissa456]

thanks for the response []that is a great argument and something i have pondered, but we have had most of the evps speak to us like they are talking in the present: answering questions, saying our names, ect. ia m truly interested in opinions on any other phenomena this could be tho.

quote:Originally posted by Grigori

Well I believe EVP is real but I don't think it proves anything about an after life. Since some "ghosts" are considered to be just residual energy recordings it seems to me that an EPV could just as likely be an audio residual energy recording. Neat site though []

[beavis]

They say it can be detected with common equipment, but dont say how. How?

[WalkerInTheWoods]

What do you mean, beavis? They tell you how you can do it on the site here: http://www.mcmsys.com/~brammer/evpfilepage2.htm

Or do you mean how it works?

[Jon_88]

Highly interesting ,i thought tom mcruder was coolest=P
Dang thats much clearer than i thought it would be . Anyway where on earth can you buy old cassette recorders and clean tapes in the MP3 age .

This reminds me a little off the ghostly sounds one can sometimes get on short wave band radio when its much atmosphere distortions , though i never heard words on it.

[beavis]

Recording with a microphone... why a whole website about that? Those long instructions arent necessary.

[malissa456]

listen critical a..,lol, it isn't my website design. it is a friend's, and the site has some of my evps posted. im sorry that your looking only for the flaws, but thank god everyone is not like you: thousands and thousands of people have found the website highly informative/interesting and mind/eye opening. if you don't like it, thats cool, my question was for open minded people with ideas on causes of evps and the like. so, please keep your small minded criticisms to yourself [] thanks and have a great day!

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Recording with a microphone... why a whole website about that? Those long instructions arent necessary.

[Grigori]

Actually that's a thought recording without a mic ... my recollection is that people do not usually hear the voice message when recording but only on play back. So are the voices actually being imprinted via the regular microphone mechanics ... (sound wave rarefaction jiggling a membrane that translates the sound waves into electrical impulses) or is the ghostly phenomena being picked up by the microphone wire (like it was an antenae)? Ok did that make sense [] basically a ghost voice could be real sound or an electrical signal.

Just thought it might be neat to see if you can get an EVP with the mic covered or in someway blocked off. It even makes a wierd kinda sense since ghostly phenomena are often associated with strange electrical malfunctions 'n such []

[Taalnar]

quote:This reminds me a little off the ghostly sounds one can sometimes get on short wave band radio when its much atmosphere distortions , though i never heard words on it.

Thats a good point, I've heard of people going sailing and hearing voices when it was just the mast picking up radio signals.  Are you sure it isn't the same as this?

[Jon_88]

Actually you do make quite sence in recording without a mike , after reading the site i see its a few theories out there how thise things get imprinted.

First is that since ghost got no voise they shape whatever is in nature ,and i assume this causes the message to go of phase or frequency so only computers can retrive it.

In this teory you need the mike to catch the reshapen audible noises . A way to enhance it would be to set up a white noise field ,then ghosts/spirits would have all the medium they could desire and it should be easy to remove digitally after. However it would best be suited for indoor use . Also worth noting is that some have claimed white noise to be effectiv against spirits/psycich attacks in the Self defence forum (some time ago).Also in this teory there is no reason why a standard recorder(whit memory cells) wouldnt work.

Wich brings us to magnetised bands seem to pick it up better than standard computer/digital memory cells hence the backstep in technology.

Hmm the only reason why this wasnt detected when thise recorders had their haydays must have been computer whit audiosoftware wasnt very common. If it is true that the magnetised bands work better than todays standards. It must be a magnetic field at work , days whit solaractivity and earth magnetic flux is claimed to enhance the chances.

There shouldnt be need for an actual mike to record such anamolys.
Perhaps just a pair of wirez to the phonejack plug would get the same result as whit the mike. But if one made a antenna that would pick work in the frequency area of the ghost imprints one should get an enhanced recording.

This begins to smell of work. And i wouldnt design it on a hobby basis whitout being reasonably sure it realy is something funny out there. Beavis is of good sence to be highly sceptical to this. As it is very easy fake this (much easyer than to fake beavis tk video[]).
Lets just say i doesnt actually buy much into this but if i come over an old recorder one day ill see for myself.

Good luck on the ghost hunting. []

P.S Does the author of this thread have any links to Thomas Edison studies on this phenomenon ? It would be fun to read about it ,espessially if he drew some conclusions.

[cesm23]

well, malissa456, i must confess i NEVER HEARD of this before but it seems interesting. Hum... i am not sure if i want to hear those sounds specially after that sentence "When we listen to our recorded tapes trying to find EVP's 'spirit voices', sometimes they jump right out at us because they are so clear and distinct." what do they mean with that ?! In case this is all real, does those "spirits" know if someone is going to hear those sounds also on the webpage ? I hope not, because i don't want to "attract" any spirits (or negative intenties) to my house just by hearing those sounds, specially the ones which speak on the sounds... i just don't understand much about those things and am not sure in what to believe or not...

By the way, do you (malissa456) or the person who wrote the webpage (specially the text in "Our BEST EVP Files") have any psychic abilities ? I do read there a lot of parts saying "i feel"...

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I did not know Thomas Edison did research on this. That would be an interesting read. Maybe a search on the net.

This phenomenon is talked about in an ebook on this site called "A Lawyer  Presents A Case For The Afterlife", or something like that. It has been awhile since I have read this so I do not remember if the author gives sources for his research on this. He makes it sound like this is very easy and that a group of scientists have been doing research with great success.

[Grigori]

Hmmm still thinking but wouldn't it be best to record EVP's with 2 identical recorders side by side? If a voice were heard that would be pretty good evidence that it's a real sound. Doing this without two mics would also be a good experiment. A third interesting set of experiments would be to split the mic feed so one mic records on two recorders ... followed of course by one mic-less antenae split to two recorders. Depending on the results one should be able to demonstrate if a mic is needed and wether the sounds are true audio or true RF. Of course if only one recorder picks up the ghostly phenomenon then it would either be random noise or one would have to assume that the recording is not following normal physics ... like say the voices are being embeded directly onto the tape ... no recorder necessary[]

[Avalon]

I've been visiting the following website for awhile now. It has similar recordings and I have to admit the site itself is extremely entertaining:

http://www.coffeepotghost.com/

[Jon_88]

Thanx I did a little research from there and found a page that mentioned Eddison. Pretty insightfull page into the phenomen (assuming no bogus).

The page was http://www.anomalist.com/features/evp.html

Furthermore I was won somewhat more over to the reality of this phenomen . Because it seems actual research has been done , this is from the same page.

quote:Raudive also came under fire for his use of a diode. He discovered that the voices gained in strength and number when background noises were prevalent. The diode, which is a broadband, crystal radio detector with a short antenna and a second wire directly connected into the microphone input of the recorder, provided white noise and greatly aided the voices in manifesting.

This is very supportive of my 1 of my theories infact , it was almost just as i said. []. So assuming the author wasnt a electronic engineer (or something like it ) that just wanted to pull the leg of someone it could seem as the experiment has been carried out before successfully.

And it was not all of interest i found . still same page.

quote:Edison discussed his attempts to develop equipment for recording voices from the beyond in 1928. Edison also made suggestions on how to modify TV sets and tune them to 740 megahertz to get paranormal effects.

Seems like someone has found a good ghostchannel[].And apperantly sound isnt the only medium of communication possible.

So the revised theory is after this research. No mike needed , the phenomen can be recorded at a myriad of frequencies but whitenoise is if not needed ,strongly prefered . Seems like the ghosts find you if you try for a little while (14 days being mentioned at another page).

As for magnetised bands it seems like the mike it is not needed ,one seems to able to get the phenomen over many electronic mediums and channels. But modern recievers can contain something absolutly not wanted ,electronic filters that automaticly removes noise from recordings ,just so you know[].  

The varianse as is being mentioned is astunnishing from the hearable(with mike) to Einsteins 740MHZ(if its true[]) ! it is remarkable that it doesnt interfere with daily communications more ,the only thing i can think off is that most of the phenomen is so low in volum and bleeding into the white noise (that is needed) ,that it is easely overlooked or cut out by modern recievers. I found a paragraph mentioning some secret cold war research (on both sides ,thinkin it was their enemys propaganda) on this phenomen.

This is interesting because it could suggest it has been more of a problem before though there was much fewer recievers back then.
Well i guess im so convinced as i can get without experiencing it firsthand.

Good thinking by the way Grigori with your paralell recording experiment and your quite right. Thought if you did get a recording on only one recorder and it said your name . I guess i would belive it genuine anyway[](they dont come with that from factory []) but it would proove then that the phenomen is even more divergent from physics than expected(atleast what i expect) .

[malissa456]

CESM: sorry it took me so long to reply! i've been busy. well, no, we do not possess any more psychic ability than the average person, that we know, but we do pay alot of attention to our natural intuition (that everybody has, tho most people ignore). if you notice on the evp of the old woman saying "leave me alone" i say that i feel she is right in that room and i was right! but, it was just a strong energy vibe i guess id say.
about attracting negative spirits: i always say a prayer to only let good spirits be around me and for god to help any lost or troubled souls, but i have grown to not be scared of "ghosts" at all. lol. i actually think most spirits that have been on my recordings are good and just joke around sometimes when they say something that sounds freaky. like the old woman who said leave me alone, later in the recordings she sounded funny, not sad or mad! i think if anything spirits are probably freaked out by humans -- my opinion is that they are the normal ones and humans are the freaks! lol. thanks for the reply!

quote:Originally posted by cesm23

well, malissa456, i must confess i NEVER HEARD of this before but it seems interesting. Hum... i am not sure if i want to hear those sounds specially after that sentence "When we listen to our recorded tapes trying to find EVP's 'spirit voices', sometimes they jump right out at us because they are so clear and distinct." what do they mean with that ?! In case this is all real, does those "spirits" know if someone is going to hear those sounds also on the webpage ? I hope not, because i don't want to "attract" any spirits (or negative intenties) to my house just by hearing those sounds, specially the ones which speak on the sounds... i just don't understand much about those things and am not sure in what to believe or not...

By the way, do you (malissa456) or the person who wrote the webpage (specially the text in "Our BEST EVP Files") have any psychic abilities ? I do read there a lot of parts saying "i feel"...

[malissa456]

I would love some opinions: if electronic voice phenomena is possible, which I have proven to myself it is real, then does this prove life after death without a doubt? I learned about evp a couple years ago and it has drastically changed my views on life. This is a phenomena little known, though even Thomas Edison was one of the first to study it. The media rarely reports the miraculous findings that many evp researchers, such as myself,have found and it seems they would for it is not only interesting, it is a huge deal and could lead to an amazing breakthrough in knowledge of what happens after death if more scientists would prove it to be nothing other than the spirits that have departed -- or, either way, maybe it is possible that it is some other very miraculous phenomena. Anyhow, I would LOVE feedback: ideas on what evps are -- do you think they are spirits or what other phenomena, if not spirits? Our evp website is Voices on the Wind in Yahoo's engine or www.mcmsys.com/~brammer/ please write me with feedback at malissa456@yahoo.com (if the evps sound harmonicy it is only because of the filtering of static and amplifying we do with the Cool Edit program - they are ALL 100% real, though some seem unbelievable -- and some are not so clear too)