O.B.E fully awake eyes open

[cube]

Wow, what exactly do you do with your mind to project like that? Are you doing a mindblank or daydreaming or focusing on something?

[Kerrblur]

wow majour ka,

    Tell me this, lets compare notes here lol. cause I was JUST THINking about this, lol destiny that my eyes landed on your thread.
The last couple months, I cant control it quite yet, I been steadily trying to understand though.

What happens to me is, just like what you do with your eyes opened, and then the tunnel vision starts, then the buzzing and stuff right, well, see I have done this on maybe 10 different occasions early in the morning hours like 6 am or 7 am, before I had to get up at 10 am to work or something.

I would wake up, sit there and watch television with absolutely no thoughts in my head, eyes just open lol you know wut i mean.
Then i get all them sensations as if i'm having a obe, and like I said, i cant control it, sometimes I can let myself loose and I go, and another time i cannot because of the possible information robert explained in his book about being conscious while having a OBE.  

When this freak event happens, do you also see litterally with both your physical eyes AND through your astral vision?  Im saying you see at a unexplainable way of vision where you can see yourself in the astral and also see yourself sitting down on that lazyboy chair!
this is why i never created a thread and asked this, dont know wut to say for words.

Okay im blahing on, lol n/m i was just gonna ask if you knew how to control it.
but more info from someone would be awesome, someone that knows wuts going on here lol

[gato]

hi there just dropping by youn were correct i am just reading astral dynamics, and yes it is not recommended that you look at your double for a long period of time. It can cause discomfort and many other side effects. Pretty interesting because now i understand why sometimes i woke up paralyzed and could not move or speak just feeling panic like if a evil spirit was present. Nicr book and helpfull i recommend it to anyone. ciaooo

[narfellus]

majour ka and kerrblur-

I don't have all the answers you want, but your posts ask some questions i also had. You might want to glance at Dreamless Sleep that i just put up, you could maybe add some personal insights from your experiences. Ka, it sounds to me that if you are slipping into another sight so easily, then you are definitely on the right board to learn more. And learn more i would, as much as i could about what you are doing. Going into an out of body experience with no idea what to expect, what might be there and especially what you are taking with you would be a bad idea. Knowledge is power. Read books and websites and ask questions, there are people willing to help.

[Kerrblur]

Gato, thats great your reading that book, make it the highest priority in your book reading.  That book changed my life.  what you were talking about were common sensations in the process of acheiving a obe(at least I have to be in a paralysed state).
its a common distraction that everyone deals with and passes.

Listen to my theory, and anyone can argue with me, but I'm sticking to my theories. . . I will soon learn to control myself on both planes, the physical and then the RTZ . .  both of us very conscious and awakened.   Now once I learn how to control both of these, and im saying, control as in, I will be able to teach myself to switch between states instantly just with a thought.  See right now, I can litterally see my pyhsical self and my etheric double in the RTZ in one field of vision.  I know if I can learn to switch consciousness rather seeing both at once and causing some kind of terrible effects on my mind, with the theories bruce states,  I'll learn how to switch my consciousness at will like i said above, and eventually control more than 2.

 From there, I will push myself into harder areas, more of me at once I should say everywhere.

[foob]

lol, whereas i'm still trying to get my first AP

[Kerrblur]

you'll be a master of it.  just read every damn book you can ever get your hands on.  Ask questions, but dont forget to problem solve yourself , improves alot of areas in your brain, specially formulated in acheiving OBE's.

Keep a journal, write why you couldn project, it might be hundreds months and at time of no projecting, you might have spontaneous ones and it'll boost your confidence  keep your journals updated, write how you messed up, and keep a area of possible solution, "Possible Solution" doing this will make you a problem solving genius! and alot more. (hint) a Soul Traveling Master! hah

[gato]

Hi there Kerrblur the book has answered many lagoons i had in my mind but the dilema i have now is trying to project since the ealier episodes of obes i had were when i was much younger and were spontaneous. Now days the farthestI have accomplished is getting the vibrations and all the sudden everything stops.

[SpectralDragon]

Hey Major

What you are speaking of is projection at will right? This is something I can do too because certain things in my life became like a "super training experience" (IE for about 5 years I did nothing but look at a wall in certain uncomfortable positions....don't ask) After a while (after the dreadfull experience mind you not during it) I thought I was literally going nuts. Spirits were talking to me, I met my first false guide, and I eventually started being able to slip out of my body into my friends house and tell him about his house even though I have never been in it.

Now the part about you slipping out without even thinking about it when your eyes are closed is a situation that has only happened to me in my beggining days. In my case I was being dragged out by spirits, however in your case I think your "spiritual self" is trying to get out.

Try this out:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10449

This will help you get a grasp on this handle. I wouldn't do it more than once a day though. And to balance out the effects and to train your mind do this one too:
http://www.gatesofmysticism.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=193

I would also suggest waiting for the projection guide I am working on to come out and try the ideas in there.

[foob]

Thanks for the advice kerr! []

[majour ka]

Thanks everybody, I am going to read up and check out the sites you recomended spec dragon.

when its happend with my eyes open im just relaxing, slow my breathing then the room starts turning violet, at that piont I can get out, but then im like whoa! im outa my body and half my minds thinking cool and the other side is saying quite messing around!

The main thing that puts me off as that 9 times outa ten when I relax I get spirit trying to show me stuff and that puts me off knowing theres people around, im not realy scared, just unsure.

Ill just go with it one day...and let ya know what happens!

[cube]

Wasn't it the CEO at Sun Micro that said privacy is dead? He's more right than he realises.

[majour ka]

lol! ive given up caring! I have spirit trying to communicate at the most inapropriate times! but im sure they mostly realise and come back later. I will never let it stop me doing anything, that would be private. But you right theres only privacy from the physical dimension.

[majour ka]

I admit I dont have much Knowledge of AP or OBEing only some personal expiriences, ive not read any books or anything like that.

But I can sit for a short while relax with my eyes open and leave my body for a few seconds, also I have to meditate with my eyes open cos if I shut them I feels as though im leaving my body every time and im not even trying! its like im trying not to O.B.E!

Any comments? anything you think I should try? Who else gets this?, is it a bad idea leaving your body with your eyes open? [)]