Muslim to Spiritualist/Pagan

[Asif]

I realize that a lot of people believe in one of the three Abrahamic religions and in the occult at the same time such as religious mystics.  But I'm guessing many of you have been raised in one of the three (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) religions and believed in it till you were introduced to the occult.  That was the case with me and Islam.  Are any of you former Muslims and now Spiritualists/Pagans?  I don't think I know anyone else yet, but I'm sure I'm not the only one!

[kalratri]

you can still be a part of your religion and be spiritual.  Religion is something that teaches basic spirituality, like prayer, incantations...once you have mastered those than you can decide if that religion can take you any farther.  The only thing messed up with the Abrahamic faiths are teh evangelicals who insist only their religion is true.

Before you do abstract art, it is better to learn how to draw first. But that's just my 2 cents worth...

[Asif]

Yeah, I realize that.  I'm still 'culturally Muslim'.  I fast, abstain from swine, alcohol, gambling, and pre-marital intercourse.  More from habit and culturalization than anything else though.  I like a lot of things about Islam.  But the whole omniscient God + free will concept I don't quite buy any longer.  I know that has been argued to death.  Islam has done a lot for me, but it cannot take me any further.  Thanks for your reply though.

[Innerfocus]

I guess some would call me a spiritualist.  However, if I had to put label to myself I would say I am a Nazarite Ebionite.  

I fast, abstain from swine, alcohol, gambling, and pre-marital intercourse. More from habit and culturalization than anything else though.

This is good!  Keeping oneself pure is a very important process in advancement of your higher self.

Warmly,

[Islamis4u]

I was born into Islam(my dad is a Muslim.) I got interested in this 'occultist' stuff when i was 13 or 14. I later rejected its authenticity.

I dont deny that out of body experieences exist, but i  dont see it as a clear authority for determining the nature of the universe or God.

I believe that the revelation from Allah(God) is what we should submit to and what we should believe in in order to get to know Allah and get to have clear knowledge of the higher realities. We should follow what He has revealed instead of what people conjecture from their little knowledge of the universe.

I advise you to read on Islamqa.com about what they say concerning intuition.


"(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Gha'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Gha'ib (unseen)."

Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him. " [Surah Al-Jinn verses 26-27]

I advise you to read this article:

http://clearproof.faithweb.com/humanreason.htm

[Asif]

That's a good article and a good model for moderate Muslims.  The article you linked me to divides knowledge into essential knowledge, theoretical knowledge, and knowledge of the unseen.  

The first one can be argued against with philosophy.  But to keep things simple, it may be a good idea to accept it for the time being and I generally assume that my memories and my senses are pretty accurate.  

The second one, I consider extremely important and I use it in my everyday life.  I would consider myself very analytical and I agree that it is under stressed in many faiths and religions.

The last one is tricky and depends upon your faith.  With Muslims, they have faith in the Qur'an and the teachings of the prophets.  With Christians, they have faith in the Bible and the ways of Jesus.  With me, I have faith that there is an afterlife.  Faith is something you cannot transfer and will be different for different people.

I no longer consider myself a Muslim, not only because I can reason against it, but because I have lost that faith.  In many ways, I am not the same person I used to be when I was Muslim.  But in many ways, I still am.

[Islamis4u]

The last one is tricky and depends upon your faith. With Muslims, they have faith in the Qur'an and the teachings of the prophets. With Christians, they have faith in the Bible and the ways of Jesus. With me, I have faith that there is an afterlife. Faith is something you cannot transfer and will be different for different people.

Believing the Muhammad is the Messenger of God is not a matter of blind recognition but a matter of proofs and clear signs which are visible for anyone to recognize in this day and age.

Know, May Allah have mercy upon you, that as Muslims we dont believe that the Bible preached a different message of that of the Qur'an. What Christians believe today can be proven to be innovation and a great contortment upon Jesus's original teachings(goto the topic 'Who is Allah?' and follow up with the debate about it cus i dont feel like starting another debate here lol).

There is no dispute about the Qur'an's authenticity, and it is based upon chains of narrations dating all the way back to the Prophet(peace be upon him) down to every single letter in the Qur'an.

I advise you to read these articles:

http://clearproof.faithweb.com/book.htm

http://clearproof.faithweb.com/12proofs.htm

Once it becomes clear(upon evidence) that the Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) did not speak from his own intellect and desire(or invention), but rather from Divine Revelation, then following him and believeing in his message that he came with becomes rational.

Allah's sending of messengers is a great blessing for mankind, for they inform us of Allah's will, the unseen, our purpose, the nature of the soul, life after death etc. Indeed, the Qur'an is a liberator from all sorts of conjecture and confusion.

[Dardalion]

Asim, how can you doubt the truth of Islam  when the occult doesn't work on Muslims.

For example if some one tried a spell (black magic etc.) on a Muslim wt won't work.  Also why is it that Shieks can banish Jinn's from a possesed person?

I don't see how you could doubt it.

[RGalibaba]

First i would like to say assalamu alikum to all my brothers,

secondly, astral projection is not occult, it is a skill which you can use to learn more about islam, black magic and the other are. is that not why the prophet banned magic? i am sorry but if you can not accept the truth about islam it is bad for you,  any replys salaam

[You]

I was raised to be Christian, the Muslim faith does seem more interesting because I don't know as much about it, but still not as cool as the Jewish one.

[Legend]

A religion is a group of beliefs and concepts.  In terms of concepts, they are almost all the same with small tidbits as exceptions.  The beliefs are somewhat different.  I personally have read many religious books and I must say that the concepts are pretty much all the same (prayer, god(s), good, higher selves, etc...).  The beliefs are however quite different.  I've stepped away from religion since it's mostly a power-control tool which was twisted according to some people in it and went my own way, reading what others had to say.  It eventually led to a construction of beliefs which is somewhat volatile.  The basic beliefs are set into harder stone everytime I read more, but I've changed beliefs a few times where my heart told me that it made sense at the time.  The concepts on the other hand are so similar that they just keep stacking one ontop of the other.

I'm not trying to pull you from your religion.  I'm just saying that for me, looking at what else was out there made me realize that there's more than one religion ytpically tends to admit

I realize that a lot of people believe in one of the three Abrahamic religions and in the occult at the same time such as religious mystics.  But I'm guessing many of you have been raised in one of the three (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) religions and believed in it till you were introduced to the occult.  That was the case with me and Islam.  Are any of you former Muslims and now Spiritualists/Pagans?  I don't think I know anyone else yet, but I'm sure I'm not the only one!

[RGalibaba]

assalamu alikum to my brothers and sisters,


reply,  if you decide which religon you like because of "cool" or not, thats stupid really, just look for the truth, and for Asif INSHA-ALLAH you are the only one who left islam for pagan.  salaam

[You]

Legend you're wrong and ignorant, religions are all very different.

[greatoutdoors]

Tyciol, short is not always sweet. Legend is entitled to his (or her) opinion. just as you are -- neither wrong nor ignorant.    Your posts up to now have been well expressed. If you're just having a bad day, I hope things start looking up for you.

[MaXi32]

I was born into Islam(my dad is a Muslim.) I got interested in this 'occultist' stuff when i was 13 or 14. I later rejected its authenticity.

I dont deny that out of body experieences exist, but i  dont see it as a clear authority for determining the nature of the universe or God.

I believe that the revelation from Allah(God) is what we should submit to and what we should believe in in order to get to know Allah and get to have clear knowledge of the higher realities. We should follow what He has revealed instead of what people conjecture from their little knowledge of the universe.

I advise you to read on Islamqa.com about what they say concerning intuition.


"(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Gha'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Gha'ib (unseen)."

Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him. " [Surah Al-Jinn verses 26-27]

I advise you to read this article:

http://clearproof.faithweb.com/humanreason.htm

Ok I'm replying to the old thread which year is 2004. Now I bet people already know and hear people talking about spiritual energy etc in islam... im not going to talk about that.. the issue i want to focus here about astral projection:

Tasawwuf is a branch of Islamic knowledge which focuses on the spiritual development of the muslim. This is like an Astral Projection in Islam. I know that some people said, you don't have to be a religious person to learn Astral Projection because it's a natural process which can be learned by anoyone including atheist. IMO, by projecting yourself without permission from Allah S.W.T you won't find what are you looking for. Let say, you want to learn Astral Projection because you want to communicate with Allah S.W.T. It's impossible to do that because it's Allah that determined who can see HIM. If you want to see him without ibadat to him, that is impossible. So, people who like to learn Astral Projection based on Islam here is how: http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/what_tasawwuf.htm

I'm wondering, (maybe I'm going to find out later) how does our prophet Muhd S.A.W gained his wahyu from Allah S.W.T? Through an angle right? How does a prophet saw an angle? I know this question might be stupid and shoudln't be ask by a person like me because I don't have enough knowledge about Islam but I'm considering myself as a muslim. It's a beautiful religion. I just wondering and always asking myself that did our prophet contact the angle through Tasawwuf (Astral Projection)? What do you think. Wallahualam.