i need guidance/advice....again

[Jeff_Mash]

Ahhh yes, the ever increasing heart rate!  Just an observation.....if you're on the verge of projecting, but you realize your physical heart is beating really fast, then you just set yourself back a few steps.

As you know, any thought about the physical body will hold you back.  So if you're consciously aware of your heart, your breathing, etc, then you still have to distance yourself a bit futher from these thoughts.

Easier said than done, I know.


Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash
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[ralphm]

why don't you just enjoy the trance and relax?
After being in a similar situation more than a few times I think that there is some element missing-maybe you have to be in more than the calm mind maybe deeper into the hypnogogic state- but still hang on to a tiny thread of awareness. Maybe we will just get over the hump and it will become routine.
How do you usually end the session-do you fall asleep or do you just go back to your daily routine? Do you ever try to follow the imagery? Maybe you should try the method discussed in the gateway discussion when you get imagery-that would take you attention off physical sensations.

[rodentmouse]

ralphm,  i find it hard to concentrate on the images,  because whenever i aknoledge them,  i slip out into full awareness,  and simply look at my closed eyelids.
Am i right in saying you must maintain a balance when trying to observe mind eye visions?

a balance that is between being alert, and being in trance???
im not experienced enough in "exploring" the trance state, hypnongogic imagery/sounds etc.

[ralphm]

Balance? It is more like being on the razors edge.Seems like when i follow imagery it leads to sleep. I think when I have greater success I am more nearly asleep than awake, no matter how good the trance or vibrations some part of the mind is still awake that inhibits projection. Maybe we  just need more practice.

[rodentmouse]

hello to the people

sorry to keep asking this but ive come to another brick wall in my training.

i usually acitvate my energy body which takes about 50 minuites,  then  i sometimes get vibrations/ hypnogogic imagery  and sounds.

As soon as i get the torso  energy surge (which Robert suggests is the astral double  forming)  I attempt an xit tecnique  But  i   dont know where to go from here because the  exit tecniques seem just  as  tiresome and  difficult as they are if im not in trance or have raised energy.

checklist.....
trance.....yes
active energy body.....yes
calm mind.....yes

i think it may be to my heartbeat increasing whenever i get any OBE  sensations,   i know its my heart and not heart chakra because my breathing becomes erratic.

this is the only thing i can think of which is inhibiting the exit,  i think ive developed the core skills necessary to project but for some reason i never do.



i hope  i dont seem impatient or like a spoilt little kid who wants his sweets,   its more  pereplexing than it is frustrating.

any suggestions of where i should go from here???