Anti-Energy

[shift_tao]

I really like to support and relate energy work with the laws and ideas of science/physics.. well, you know how there is anti-matter.. and it cancels out matter... is it possible to have anti-energy?  or is anti-matter, anti-energy? (since all matter is energy) and if so, can we make it?  how does anti-matter come into being?

I am interested in what you guys come up with..

[Leo Volont]

I really like to support and relate energy work with the laws and ideas of science/physics.. well, you know how there is anti-matter.. and it cancels out matter... is it possible to have anti-energy?  or is anti-matter, anti-energy? (since all matter is energy) and if so, can we make it?  how does anti-matter come into being?

I am interested in what you guys come up with..

Shouldn't we stay practical?

After all, isn't metaphysics the refuge for those who have no actual experience?  Those who can, do.  But those who can't spend their energies in huge verbose metaphysical speculative discussions.

In the Catholic Experience, we had Saints like Dominic and Francis.  They were juxtaposed to those tedious Catholic Scholars who could publish volumes about how many Angels could fit onto the head of a pin.  When Francis was asked such a theoretical question, supposing that as a Christ Like Saint with Miracles and all sorts of Spiritual Knowledge, that he would have some insight into the matter, he asked first whether it mattered.

We should also wonder whether such things as you suggest matter.  I suppose we will have to wait until one of us has an experience in which only the hypotheisis of Anti-matter or Anti-energy can resolve whatever questions are presented.

[shift_tao]

forgive me if im wrong but i thought this was a discussion board.

i had a thought and wanted to know what others thoughts on it were.. if that is a problem then i apologize.

[Leo Volont]

forgive me if im wrong but i thought this was a discussion board.

i had a thought and wanted to know what others thoughts on it were.. if that is a problem then i apologize.

So why not discuss that if cats were purple would dogs still chase them.

I was only asking as to relevance.  After all, this is not Dungeons and Dragons, is it?  We are trying to be real here, aren't we?

[Euphoric Sunrise]

I think it's an interesting question, and exploration of it would determine its relevance, not vise-versa. People thought the earth was flat and that the theory of it being spherical was irrelevant until exploration was conducted. It seems that this is what this topic is doing, exploring.

As for the topic, i would think that anti-energy would be the same as anti-matter. How it would be born, i have no idea.

[Leo Volont]

Okay.... just to establish a sweet atmosphere of warm fuzzy niceness... I DO have an idea that might wedge into this discussion somehow.

Now, I would not say there is matter and anti-matter -- such a notion is too mathematically contrived.  After all, negative numbers can only be imaginary.  There is not REALLY anything less than nothing, is there?

But there can be two KINDS of energy.

In the Kundalini Traditions one speaks of the Ida and Pingali Channels -- the one on the left, Ida, is cool and the other on the right, Pingali, is hot.

They must be balanced.

I once had a dream with this one recurrent Character, the Old Alchemist.  There was a snake in front of me and I was wondering how to kill it.  The Old Alchemist appeared and said, "To kill a snake, use another snake".  And he suddenly had another snake by the tail and twirled it about and threw it into the other snake so that they curled up together.  They twisted together and tightened and then their heads exploded in a flash of Light. The two energies resolved themselves into a higher synthesis.

[pod_3]

Leo - Regarding Catholics, if it was not by metaphysics, I should like to know which methods enabled them to fly, disappear, and bilocate. If it was by the same Holy Spirit I know, they must not have been asking him the same way normal people might!

It is my belief that so many Catholic scribes were gatherers of strange knowledge.  Not putting common sense above anyone, I often find strange-sounding B.S. to be figurative. Some of this stuff is like code, I mean, but you seem to have no problem with major precepts.

However, when undeniable miracles are performed in front of disbelievers, they go at least temporarily crazy. Maybe they were just imagining it, anyway.

shift_tao -
Physical anti matter is the same as matter, but it's particles have a reverse spin. To create anti-matter is to reverse time acting upon normal matter.

If we are talking about metaphysical anti-matter, that would look like black with a colored hue. For instance, red prana might look whiter at the center with a red hue. The opposite of red would be blackish with a red hue.

In either case, the two opposing particles do not negate each other, Imagine two billiard balls spinning at Mach 10 in opposite directions. When these come in contact with each other the effect is dispersive.

The rate of vibration of matter is what determines the plane on which it lies. In some systems, all of the astral realms are underworlds, the physical is in between, the cosmic is the electromagnetic vibrations of the physical which are invisible to human bodies, and the spiritual is above that. These are the Four Ethers, which correspond respectively to mind, body, and spirit.  In other systems, the Four Ethers consist of Void (nothingness), the astral, the physical, and the spiritual(all-beingness). In such a paradigm, thought creates astral forms in the void, because there is nothing there to resist it.

Physical matter can be formed from astral material by adding energy to it until it vibrates at a higher state.

Continued focus on the astral is said to drag people down and, as a part of their culture, is highly discouraged by people who are capable of performing manifestations. However, a God who moved across the Void and formed creation could not have possibly been sinning. The touchy issue is resolved when the magical act is enabled spiritually. In this way, the energy level of the physical is not diminished. The energy used to raise objects up from the astral would come the realm of All-Being, which is technically inexhaustible.

The real question is where do you put it since there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum on the physical plain, and I can't think of why to petition heaven for a better A-bomb when the end is really so nigh.

[You]

When shift_tao uses capital letters I will discuss his ideas with him. Underscores in a name are sort of lame too...

[Moonburn33]

what an incredibly insightful question:  anti-prana...

I would think that the analogy of antimatter would be appropriate because there are two kinds of movement energies in the body... there's "i don'wanna" and "i wanna"...

i have a question of you, Shift:  What properties would you think anti energy would have?  do you think it'd cancel out energy?  if so, then I think that maybe the Taoist concept of Yin and Yang would be appropriately introduced into this conversation.

however, I'm all for "something else" entirely, i.e. anti-etheric matter.  I'm not sure how we would even begin to define it, though- but you gotta start somewhere.

[shift_tao]

What properties would you think anti energy would have?  do you think it'd cancel out energy?  if so, then I think that maybe the Taoist concept of Yin and Yang would be appropriately introduced into this conversation.

Moonburn33, if we do look at it from a "ying-yang" view then wouldnt the anti-energy have the exact opposite properties of energy?  And if we follow this taoist way of thinking, shouldn't this anti-energy HAVE exist to balance with energy?  And if it does exist, where? Would it be a parallel universe?

I know the odds of someone creating anti-energy are slim to none .. but if this person create it.. or manipulated energy into anti-energy.. would they accidently cancel themselves out

anyway there are some thoughts

[Moonburn33]

Well anti-matter has the same properties as matter- only, as said before, it has an opposite spin.

anti energy would be the ability to do unwork, by your definition/supposition

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Wasn't there a "Quantum Metaphysics" Forum?

Well anti-matter has the same properties as matter- only, as said before, it has an opposite spin.

anti energy would be the ability to do unwork, by your definition/supposition

That wasn't my supposition.

...two opposing particles do not negate each other, Imagine two billiard balls spinning at Mach 10 in opposite directions. When these come in contact with each other the effect is dispersive.

What happens in particle accelerators is the same thing on a smaller scale. To mix antimatter and matter creates an explosion of gamma radiation, neutrinos, and their opposites. Hence, the risque comment about mass destruction.

Anyway, the concept is alchemically applicable.

[Moonburn33]

I wasn't talking about what you said- was talking with Shift Tao.

let's get back to what I said now- the ability to do unwork.. what would that manifest itself as?  How would we be able to tell the difference between anti-energy and regular energetic inefficiency (i.e. Law of Thermodynamics)

Anti energy would be like saying "anti-motion"... which would be the same as saying "resting."  

So maybe anti energy is Yin chi afterall.  The "idonwanna" of the two basic forms of chi in the body.

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Undo which work?

[Moonburn33]

energy is the ability to do work

that's the textbook definition of it.