The Dream-Self's Own Unique Life Memories

[Leo Volont]

Dream-Self's Unique Memory

This post is not about remembering Dreams... it is about the Dream-Self's memory (if you can follow the distinction).  In several dreams I incidentally encountered situations in which it occurred to me to go back into my memory (in one dream I was wondering about directions and so I 'remembered' other times I had been in that general Dream local, and in another Dream I saw an old Dream Friend and thought back about our common adventures.... A person I never met in Waking Life.).  What was surprising was that the Dream-Self's Memory was not linked to the Waking Self's Memory – each set of Memories record quite separate 'lives'... though in some sense parallel.  The Dream Memory is not joined to the Waking Memory as though the Dream Self disappears during the day.  It seems like the Dreams continue even when we are not there in conscious participation.  The Dream Life has its own continuity apart from the Waking Life.


What I propose here as that some of us try to access our Dream Memory... not just the memory of specific dreams, but while in Lucid Dream consciously think back into our total memory, just to see what is in it.  I think we will find that our Dream Selves have fuller and richer Life, without our Waking Selves, then we have suspected.


Also, it may uncover many Astral Projections and other Experiences which never imprinted upon the Waking Self's Memory, for whatever reasons.

[daem0n]

the lives we access in our dreams  can (but needn't) be separate planes of reality with our parallel lives
they can be integrated into our waking life, along with abilities we exhibit there

[Leo Volont]

the lives we access in our dreams  can (but needn't) be separate planes of reality with our parallel lives
they can be integrated into our waking life, along with abilities we exhibit there

But I was wondering whether you ever, while in the Dream State, deliberately examined your Memory in order to assess your Knowledge of different things.

Ordinarily, in dreams, we are involved in the Action of what we are doing at the time.  It has been rare for me to intentionally dip into the Dream Self's Memory.

As the Platonists of Ancient Greece used to say:  "Knowledge is Memory".  We may all know more than we think, only that we have not thought to remember it when we have the opportunity.  That opportunity is during our Lucid Dreams, if we should remember to delve into our Memories.

[Sampson]

Hi,
That is a very interesting post, I am reading a book at the moment that discusses such dream memories, and there are also some chapters that contain references to what are called 'probable selves'.

From what I have read so far these probable selves have lives, thoughts and memories all of there own which can overlap with our own lives and vice versa.

I have found the book fascinating reading so far, it is called 'Seth, Dreams and Projections of Consciousness' by Jane Roberts.

Cheers

S

[daem0n]

nope i just see future possibilities\alternative lives and choose to diminish or manifest them later
my dreams are not lucid

[Leo Volont]

Hi,
That is a very interesting post, I am reading a book at the moment that discusses such dream memories, and there are also some chapters that contain references to what are called 'probable selves'.

From what I have read so far these probable selves have lives, thoughts and memories all of there own which can overlap with our own lives and vice versa.

I have found the book fascinating reading so far, it is called 'Seth, Dreams and Projections of Consciousness' by Jane Roberts.

Cheers

S

I'm sure that "Seth" must have seriously overelaborated upon the Theme.  You see, these New Age promoters find it difficult to keep anything as simple as it really is.  They need to complicate things in order to stretch out their lectures to cover the complete Weekend Seminars they charge so much for.  If the Truth is 20 minutes, then they must find a way to spread it across an entire afternoon.  

I am not talking about 'probable selves and overlapping lives'.  It is not necessary to hypothesize more than one dream self.  Just as we each have only one Waking Self, so it is that we are likely to have just one Dream Self.

[Leo Volont]

nope i just see future possibilities\alternative lives and choose to diminish or manifest them later
my dreams are not lucid

Well, 'Lucid Dreams' are simply the 'latest craze'... they are of rather recent 'invention'.  In Ann Faraday's book "Dream Power" wiritten decades ago, lucid dreams were given maybe a page and a half.  I think it was Patricia Garfield who popularized the idea of Lucid Dreaming, and she never went much past the sexual angle... yuck!

Back when Carl Jung was looking at dreams, he only distinguished between ordinary dreams and 'Big' or 'Luminous' Dreams.  I would like to say that Lucid Dreams are the same as 'Big' Dreams, but some Lucid Dreams simply are not that 'Big'.  When people force Lucid Dreams, often there is simply no material exailable to give them much of a priority.

What I think is that Big Dreams are important and pivottal.  They don't happen every night, and they can't be summoned quickly.  A Big Dream takes time for the Mind to prepare.  The most we can do is establish an interesting premise that intriques the Mind and resonates with some Truth and then give that Mind some time to formulate a Big Dream around that Theme.  When the Dream is ready for 'play' then it will be triggered rather easily.

[Wells]

Facinating stuff.  I've never looked at my dream-self's memory, but I can definitely relate to the experience of remembering areas/dreams/people etc from previous dreams.  Some even seem to have occurred many years ago which the conscious mind was never even aware of.

And the "Big Dream"s taking time to prepare as Leo Volont says, that's quite a nice perspective.

[fost500]

S[/quote]

I'm sure that "Seth" must have seriously overelaborated upon the Theme.  You see, these New Age promoters find it difficult to keep anything as simple as it really is.  They need to complicate things in order to stretch out their lectures to cover the complete Weekend Seminars they charge so much for.  If the Truth is 20 minutes, then they must find a way to spread it across an entire afternoon.  
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Seth isnt a person. He claims to be an entity who has never existed in the physical and is chanelled by Jane Roberts, the author of the book

[Dansk]

I am not sure if this is what you are looking for but a lot of the time in my dreams I have a very different set of memories than I do in real life. In my dreams I will remember going places and doing things in real life, but they haven't actually happened, for example doing my laundry or going on vacation. Sometimes I also remember having a dream before, almost like deja vu in a dream. And I seem to do a lot of thinking in my dreams and in every dream (that I can remember) my dream-selves' memories are different and always fit perfectly into the dream. Do you understand what I mean?

[fost500]

Yeah i hear ya Dansk,
That must be pretty cool man.
My problem is I can never get enough lucidity to think about dream memories. I seem to be a very passive individual in my dream state. Im trying to improve this by being more aware in my waking self, hopefully this will improve my lucidity, but that in itself is quite a task!!!

[Wells]

Shame, I became fully lucid in a dream last night, but forgot to try this out.  I was in an office, and picked up a picture frame to see what my mind would put it.  Very interesting, but I faded back out shortly afterwards.

[Leo Volont]

Facinating stuff.  I've never looked at my dream-self's memory, but I can definitely relate to the experience of remembering areas/dreams/people etc from previous dreams.  Some even seem to have occurred many years ago which the conscious mind was never even aware of.

And the "Big Dream"s taking time to prepare as Leo Volont says, that's quite a nice perspective.

Yeah!  That remembering that that you had 'remembered' previous dreams while in your dreams is the phenomena I was speaking of.  Most of the time it happens incidentally in dreams, as when you try to find yourself when you are lost -- typically you remember other dream scenes that were close by where you have found yourself.  

I have so many priorities, as does everyone else on this Page, that I wonder whether any of us will finally remember to turn this capability into an actual Technique for uncovering lost Knowledge, but it provides for an interesting hypothesis.

[Leo Volont]

Seth isnt a person. He claims to be an entity who has never existed in the physical and is chanelled by Jane Roberts, the author of the book

So, "Seth isn't a person"... well you got that right.

'Seth' was a big money making scam.... and a very successful one... for awhile there nobody could say with any certainty that the Market would ever saturate, and there kept appearing more and more silly channellings.  'Ramtha' was the worst, though, with that ludicrous woman who couldn't speak 5 minutes with her affected 'pirate' accent without breaking into a suburban female lisp.  You would think that being caught breaking out of character would cause her audiences to stone her alive, but those crowds of New Age Idiots were always more than glad to go along with the Fraud -- it seemed like they were excited to be part of a Conspiracy to fool the World.

But Channelling eventually ran its course.  What hurt the movement the worst was the trillions of Workshops that proposed to teach everyone to Channel... and people realized they had been exceedingly imposed upon when the essense of the Teaching was that you had to practice practice and practice just making up stuff that sounds cool, and to concentrate on being consistent with your 'pirates'' accent.  People realized what they were formerly afraid to admit to themselves, that it was all just a contrived scheme of lies and fabrications.  Eventually their sense of ethics kicked in and they understood that they could not legitimately be party to such duplicities, let alone 'believe' any of that 'stuff' any longer.

[Leo Volont]

I am not sure if this is what you are looking for but a lot of the time in my dreams I have a very different set of memories than I do in real life. In my dreams I will remember going places and doing things in real life, but they haven't actually happened, for example doing my laundry or going on vacation. Sometimes I also remember having a dream before, almost like deja vu in a dream. And I seem to do a lot of thinking in my dreams and in every dream (that I can remember) my dream-selves' memories are different and always fit perfectly into the dream. Do you understand what I mean?

YEAH!  Exactly!

I honestly think we have a goldmine here, if any of us could remember to actually concentrate on using this Faculty of Dream Memory to remember something important.

Of course, the benefits would depend on asking the right questions of one's Dream Memory.  

"What is the most spiritual thing that ever happened to me?"  

"How have I gotten into the Astral before?"

"Where have I been the happiest?"

[wisp]

Leo Volont,
Interesting idea. At first I couldn't understand you meant by a dream memory. I kept connecting myself to the dream person. Once I read the posts a second time, then I got it. Separating the dream me from the waking me changes the point of view, very cool! Is this right?

I have suspected a separate dream life for some time. This idea makes me have to rethink my past dreams now.

For example:
I had a recent dream of going with my daughter to tour the newly purchased house of her boyfriend's mother. After walking through the house awhile the rooms became more familiar. The layout of the house and the many different rooms brought a memory to me (in the dream). I realized I had been in this house about a year before. This same house belonged to a couple I knew back then. In the dream I discovered somehow that this couple was dead(right then and there), and that's how the mother of my daughter's boyfriend got a hold of this house(I'm thinking). I became frightened or creeped out by being in this house. I told my daughter that the two of us had to get out of this house now. We then began finding an exit. We were not in the same place in the house, I communicated this to her telepathically.The telepathic part just now became apparent while typing this dream.  

I'm seeing this dream differently with the new concept.Before I was just seeing this as a problem with the boyfriend's mother, in a superficial way.

Am I on the right track of what the dreamer's memory is?This doesn't seem to match with the other's experiences.