spirit guides=useless

[aryanknight666]

Can I suggest as much as you may feel aggrieved that other users may be making digs at you or your opinion that you might consider that you are only enabling them to reflect back to you your own angst.

Change all the references to me to the people who have replied to my point and you have my thread. If this is some sort of display of your empathy skills, I think you need to hone on them. I've remained calm and mildly amused while reading the replies to these threads, watching several love and lights have temper tantrums. Look at the way people have responded to this thread and you will see they really can't handle a different opinion. They'll write pages and pages about 'love', do you think they're responded 'lovingly' to my thread    No, the reason is because they are HUMAN BEINGS and this unconditional love they aspire to is unnatural. Human Beings have a variety of emotions, they aren't just cold, sterile beings who love everything no matter what, and no one should aspire to that.

[Eol007]

Nice to see you have a sense of humour!

Stephen  

[Tayesin]

No one seems to have adressed the my argument anyway, and people have instead chosen to try and avoid my challenging of their beleif systems and to try and focus on my 'angst'. That way, you can make it look like I'm just doing this because I'm a frustrated head case, so my opinon won't matter enough for you to consider, because you know I'm making a fair point: if one of you chanelled your guides right now, that guide would refuse to do anything whatsoever that would prove it at least exists. You say that isn't important, but do you think people are really going to get into this spiritual evolution stuff if it appears that it doesn't even exist?

I think one reason why no one has addressed your argument is because the original post is based completely on the premise that the whole Guide thing is Cr*p.  When I read it I saw no possible reason to wade into an argument to try and persuade you of anything.

The problem with asking other people to have their Guides prove something to you, is, the means you chose are totally unworkable from the outset.  So no Guide would even try to respond in the fashion you sought.

A solution to this for you would be to find someone who can help introduce you to your own Guidance, although I doubt you would be successful because of your already stated opposition to the whole idea.

Nothing can come to us if we make no room for it.

You asked, " do you think people are really going to get into this spiritual evolution stuff if it appears that it doesn't even exist?"

Many people may not get into it while some others are.  I find those who are interested in finding their own Guidance instead of asking for proof from other people's, are more able to experience direct face to face contact.

The mind-set makes a huge difference.  Success in meeting Guidance usually comes from the need, or timing being perfect for a person to make the connection.  They are usually not disappointed with their experiences then.

I only know this because most of what I do is to bring people to their primary Guide in order for the person to begin working with them and to therefore grow towards clarity without the need to seek answers from other people.

So, until you have worked through whatever it is that makes you close off to the Guidance you were born with, no one can help to prove anything like this to you.  

And even if you did work it out, no one could prove it to you...  only guide you to meeting your Guides where you would then prove it to yourself.

Words do no justice..  you should experience for yourself...  then you will know.

Enjoy

[Eol007]

Dear Aryanknight666,

Surely the only way for you to establish an answer to your question regarding guides etc. would be for you yourself to receive confirmation from them directly and indirectly via 3rd parties. This is something I have been able to verify in my own case. Sharing examples of my own experience might not be adequate demonstrable proof for you as is reasonable.

Hypothetically: Lets say you have a guide or chosen inspirer – then they would be obliged if asked by you to prove themselves in order for you to establish a clear cut answer or not etc.

For instance sometime between 10:30pm and 11:10pm this evening (GMT and regardless that in the non-physical the time equation is negated) I became aware of an individual clairvoyantly: a bald slim man with angular features and a cheeky smile or at least an image of such.

Perhaps this is one of your inspirer's seeking to provide you with a double take. But then I could be making all of this up!

Kind regards,


Stephen  

[aryanknight666]

That sounds like the spirit guison.
But if I should go to them rather then letting someone else's guide prove itself what should I do, automatic writing or something? Can you please tell me what I should do if I am going to go to my own guides or spirits

[Eol007]

Your own true guide (a poor label) will prove themselves to you as they have been waiting for this very moment to be asked. The ability to be able to connect with them is already yours and has always been available to you.

Simply sit in the quiet and send a thought that it is your sincere and heart felt wish to connect with them. As one of my teachers put 'do not expect your guide to slap you with a big wet fish'! Therefore the way in which they present to you may well be very subtle at first, but will develop character and depth over time.

A true guide will bring only love, absolute truth, and will not represent themselves as someone they are not - therefore there will be no deceit! Do not be ashamed to test them continuously. For example: if some says in your mind's eye 'trust me' do not offer trust without verification 1st.

The tests are simply to apply the qualities already stated above. If you feel uncomfortable with this then sit for self healing until you feel all bonds detrimental to your spiritual growth have been released. If you feel unable to establish a healing link then ask and it will be given for you.

Establishing trust in ones guides takes time, but they are eternally patient as is your own spirit!

Good luck,


Stephen  

[Rastus]

No matter how you try to make the initial connection, make sure your Intent is there.  It took me forever it seemed to get through to my higher-self, but ultimately I never really tried .  It/We were always there, you know, that feeling in the back of your mind you should or shouldn't do something?

Your Higher-self is you.  It's your partner.  It's the part of you that won't fit into your body.  You have other guides as well, but for the sake of argument, let's stick with higher-self (it's easier to allow for than other guides without getting too mystical).

The modality you use is really up to you.  It's safe to say there ae hundreds of ways people work with their higher selves.  Not everyone has a full blown conversaion in their heads.  Some do Automatic writing (okay, typing).  A pendulum is still an acceptable way to make initial contact.  Tarrot is still useful, if you can take inspiration from the cards(it's not really the cards, it's the flashes of insight you get seeing them).

Now, my initial contact was through a simple yes/no device.  Why it worked was from a Reading I got that evening.  It didn't feel right, so I meditated on it.  Very deep meditation sitting at the computer.  Then I got inspired, and tried www.facade.com then the yes/no page.  I really don't use it anymore, but at the time it was marvelous.  It takes very little energy for your higher-self to manipualte a random number generator on a webserver.  I started with Basic questions and got very deep.  The key was I stayed focused in meditation (slip out of meditation and you can lose the energy, think of it as an energy excercise).

Since then I migrated to standard Pendulum technique.  Recently I've changed to Automatic typing when working with others.  I can, with meditation, also have a conversation in my head (it's still hard for me to do for too long, and I have other guides now).  The feelings are much easier to feel now.  It's like having a backup team with me whenever I need a consultation.  When something doesn't feel right i examine the feeling and can usually find what it is.

The keys are Intent and Focus.  Take any of the usual precautions you take doing energy work.  Verifying it's yoru higher-self as opposed to something else is always a question.  All I can say is I know by feel, the overwhelming feeling of LOVE when my guides are there.

[Telos]

aryan, I have not read this whole thread, but I have similar views on spirit guides. I went through a great deal of trouble in order to meet mine, but what I saw was I guess a kind of demon-hybrid. She was like a finely crafted sculpture coming out the igenious rock wall of volcano, where she was hibernating for God knows how many years or millenia. She was smokey blue tinted grey, blue around the edges of her blackish wings. She was the embodiment of someone who had mastered the light and the dark, independence, and beauty. For a moment, I definitely thought I had seen something close to perfection.

I made a sudden mistake. I looked at her face, peered deeply into her eyes, at first trying to commit the face to memory, but then to see the "real" her. From what I had read in astral forums, maybe this was a live person? Her face disappeared and instead I saw a blurry window of a pathetic fat lonely man in his 40s, roaring in selfishly spoiled anger. I was disturbed and frightened. Had I made contact with some gay freak from the hicks? Best not to think about it, I thought.

Since then I have not seen her, nor any other guide, and not for total lack of trying. I can only conclude that there are no guides for me, not at this time.

Perhaps I offended her by looking into her? Was that an unwitting psychic attack? Was her apparition of a fat man my punishment? Was it a curse? Was I looking into a mirror, at my eventual future?

I would feel dishonest to say I that I saw a real conscious being. The experience, however, was definitely real to me, and I will always remember that small moment where I saw how far independence could take a person.

[Tayesin]

Hi Aryan,
Some great things have come from your question..  you worked through somethings..  I see the change in your tone/feel.  It's great.

Good advice has also come in the replies you received.

Can I suggest a direct method for meeting your primary guide (higher-self) ?

In my home pages under the link below you will find an easy method to prepare and experience.  Don't expect to understand what you might experience at first..  understanding will come with practice.

As with all things, we need to practice a thing for at least 30 days in order to find if it will work well for us, and to modify it for ourself.

As Rastus said, " The keys are Intent and Focus. Take any of the usual precautions you take doing energy work. Verifying it's your higher-self as opposed to something else is always a question. All I can say is I know by feel, the overwhelming feeling of LOVE when my guides are there."

Guides will appear to you in a way that is unique for you.  It will have some meaning to you, whether you are aware of it yet or not.

And, try not to expect or think that your experiences should be this way or that, should follow some philosophy or belief system, etc.  To expect or believe a thing about it will be the trigger to manifest it that way, so you won't see clearly enough.  My old teacher used to say, " Go to it as if naked.", meaning to have no pre-conceived ideas or beliefs about how it should or should not be.

Good luck.

[Tayesin]

I made a sudden mistake. I looked at her face, peered deeply into her eyes, at first trying to commit the face to memory, but then to see the "real" her. From what I had read in astral forums, maybe this was a live person? Her face disappeared and instead I saw a blurry window of a pathetic fat lonely man in his 40s, roaring in selfishly spoiled anger. I was disturbed and frightened. Had I made contact with some gay freak from the hicks? Best not to think about it, I thought.

Since then I have not seen her, nor any other guide, and not for total lack of trying. I can only conclude that there are no guides for me, not at this time.

Perhaps I offended her by looking into her? Was that an unwitting psychic attack? Was her apparition of a fat man my punishment? Was it a curse? Was I looking into a mirror, at my eventual future?

I would feel dishonest to say I that I saw a real conscious being. The experience, however, was definitely real to me, and I will always remember that small moment where I saw how far independence could take a person.

Hi Telos,
You made no mistake in your actions.  You were shown a probable future you.  The being appeared to you in a way that suggested your current awareness and interests, as they can.  As such it was a reflection for you, and it certainly got your attention, exactly as it was designed to do.

Try again.  Let go of the image you hold in your mind of this being and allow them to appear in another helpful guise.  Feel the energy of that being.  You will recognize it, and find it resonating inside you.  If it does not fill you with the warmth of love, then Intend to see clearly and look into them.  You will soon see what they are and know the first important thing about journeying in the realms...  Feel is the key to knowing who and what you are dealing with, and, Intent with focused attention is the key to direction and going where you want to go.

Lastly, have some fun with it..  it's not meant to be serious all the time.

[SpectralDragon]

aryanknight, let me define "spirit guide" to you so that you might know why some of the other members in this thread are viewing you as foolish.

A spirit guide is a teacher/adviser from the "other side." As such the demonic entities you worship/invoke/evoke fall under this category.

[Tayesin]

Hi Aryan,
In all honesty, I don't think anyone was trying purposely to belittle or defame you in any way, but I do see that some respondents were trying to point out something important to you about what it is that prevents you from experiencing connection with your Guidance.

Difference of opinion is normal in a place like this with so many people using the forum.  Some have strong reactions to what gets written, others can see through the words into the writer.

As an aside; Much information used by the church of satan has been twisted by the individuals who chartered the church.  Even they were not to know that the being represented to us historically as satan was actually the Anunnaki Enki.  And the reason he was portrayed that way was because he refused to accept the Elohim order to not inform his genetic creations of the impending cataclysm we wrongly call the biblical flood, hence ever after he was illustrated as the serpent/snake in the tree of knowledge.

Interestingly, the symbol he created to use in his production center was the Caduceus, which is where the snake symbolism began.

He was a good guy, and has been brought down to us by the Controllers as being the devil, satan himself.  Can you see the twist.  It was all for control.  Are you now controlled in your beliefs according to such disinformation or will you think beyond what you have been taught and find the truth for yourself ?

Good Luck on your path Aryan.

[aryanknight666]

If you read many of my posts, especially from a little while ago now, you will see that I talk alot about enki etc. I know exactly what you're talking about. I used to be a part of the group which held that beleif, about Satan being enki etc.
But unfortunatley the are sadly misinformed about many facts, and do no acknowledge any Satanic philosophy (not really anyway) and are too dogmatic for my liking. I find alot of the people there are like robots and parrots to what it says on the website(s). This sort of thing is very contradictory to Satanic Philosophy.
Your mention of the COS interests me, because they don't actually beleive in Satan as a convetional being. If you read the Satanic Bible or some web content of the COS you'll get a better idea of their beleifs (if you haven't already).

But Tayesin, the problem with this annunaki stuff is that it is entirely based off the works of Zechariah Sitchin, proven to be a fraud and a liar. Scientists, archeaologists, historians and scholars (sitchin is an economist) who actually know how to read the languages sitchin claims to know, like sumerian cuniform, all discredit him. His writings are erroneous without a doubt, as are others like erich von daniken who write about similar things.
So I do not beleive in the 'annunaki' (that word I beleive, was erroneously matched to gods like enki etc) who came from the planet nibiru, or any of that stuff about Enki creating humanity. I do think that Satan could have been Enki though, seeing as Enki represented wisdom, science, medicine, intelligence, was the king of magicians, the lord of the watery abyss etc. But I beleive Satan to be a supernatural being and not an extraterrestrial giant.
I beleive in a dark or sinister presence within ourselves (the dark part of our psyche, our carnal or primitive selves) and that pretty much motivates human beings a great deal since we have the instinct to survive, we have lust etc. Think about how much these carnal things dominate our lives. I also beleive that a dark or sinister presence exists without as well, not just within our own psyches. Although I don't think that Satan is just an archetype. I beleive in him as a rea being as well but beause of the archetypal dark force he cannot be as simple as a spacially limited, physical being. The same for demons as well.

So if I am going to reach out to a spirit guide, its obviously in question whats their waiting for me, and its probably going to be very different to most people's guides here.

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[Tayesin]

Hi Aryan,
I have to disagree with you about where I get my info on the Anunnaki, as I for one am not impressed with Sitchin's interpretations nor his own personal additions.

My dearest friend is a 70 year old lady who also deciphered the Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets for the British Museum during the time Sitchin was working on them.  She often had flaring arguments with Sitchin over his interpretations that were not essentially written in the texts.  For example, Sitchin claims the Anunnaki mined gold from here to suspend in the atmosphere of their homeworld, and no where in the cuneiform texts does it say this.

The reason why I still agree with the Sumerian Texts is because they have now been scientifically proven to an accuracy of about 80%.  All the detailed information about planetary mechanics, the best way to navigate through our own solar system, the descriptions of all the outer planets including their sizes, masses and up-close appearance, and the genetic informations including the disposal of un-workable creatures they buried in massive sarcophagi in the deserts (which have all been discovered and removed to the British Museum).  

All that is left really, for us to discover, is the reality of the homeworld Nibiru, the physical attributes of the Anunnaki themselves and whether or not they will like us now that we have progressed as far as they had the last time they were here in numbers.  Chances are they will not like it at all !

In all honesty, I do not think Satan is a living being in it's own right.  In fact, because so many people have inadvertently believed in such a being, either through fear or worship...  they have unwittingly created such a being with their combined and lengthy thoughts on the matter.

Also, I do not believe in anything as being carnal in nature.  I see those words as being value-laden, judgments made by humans from an earlier and far more confined belief-system/time.

So what I see is this....  there is no good and evil except for what has been created within this Duality layer of creation/the universe.  So nothing of a value-judgment nature can really apply in the bigger picture of reality.

Yet at the same time I also see that each of us beings (human or otherwise) chooses what they wish to experience and express about themselves.  And since we are all existing in this Duality layer together, we all have portions of light and dark within ourselves.

To me this implies the need to search out our light and dark natures so that we may readily OWN them as our own, and then move onto clarity brought by wholeness.  At which time we will be free from the clutter of seeing only Dualities, and more able to see beyond the representations we find all around.

AND, I liked your last post Aryan...  well thought out and well said.

LOL @ your Guide probably being very different to the others here.  You'll probably find they manifest to you in a way that is both specific and meaningful to you, and only you.  How they appear is not important to any one else, only you.  And who cares what others think of how they appear to you !

[CaCoDeMoN]

I think that Guardian Demon(description on www.joyofsatan.com) is the same thing as spiritual guide for Satanists. Am I wrong?

[aryanknight666]

That's only for spiritual satanists ie people who read the joyofsatan.com and thought this is cool I think I'll join the e-groups, + the high preists.
Personally I think a guardian demon is very different to a spiritual guide for a person who follows new age or the right hand path.
Most of the guides for these people are meant to be angels, archangels and other beings that are totally different to demonic entities.
But, the joy of satan does regard the demons to be good guys who are their to teach and guide humanity, and they regard the angels as evil people who feed off the energy of their followers and ulitmatley want to destroy humanity. So obviously what their perception of an demon is is different to how you and others would perceive a demon. Its basically how you would perceive an angel, more or less, and how they perceive angels is how you would perceive demons. They basically are what we might call 'reverse christians'. Taking everything and flipping it around. They even admit it themselves, when talking about the upside down cross as a satanic symbol they say 'this symbol represents that everything is reversed, hell is a paradise, heaven is a torture chamber, the angels are evil, the demons are good, satan is the saviour, jehova is the true devil etc'. Whilst I don't agree with any of that really I respect their path and their way of thinking and I do not wish to defame them in anyway or be of hostile approach to them. It is up to each individual to decide what they think about different people, groups and path. I am simply expressing my own personal opinion and feelings. But I do not mean to disrespect them.

[CaCoDeMoN]

With most things you are right, Aryan Knight, and things there are just reversed, but there's also a good amount of truth at this site. It's only a matter of distinguishing truth from propaganda. And a bit about angels may be true. I would think that it's just a lie, but after my brother had a vision about a "human slaughterhouse", I am nearly sure it's true. This vision explained everything with terrifying consistence.

[aryanknight666]

Of course,
that site contains alot of truths. The way they go about presenting that information is not what I agree with. It's too dogmatic, almost like its trying to brainwashed its followers. In order to brainwash someone they need to be weak -- and there's a direct contradiction of satanic philosophy and what a satanist is already.
Angels submit totally to 'jehova', 'yahweh', whatever you wish to call him/it. Personally its obvious to me that 'yahweh' is a reference to the four seraphim, the higest ranking angels. 'yahweh' the word itself does not refer to a single being at all but indeed 4. I beleive lucifer was once a part of the seraphim, perhaps even the leader, but obviously is not anymore and has been replaced. Lucifer was and is a proud and beautiful being. He is proud because he is strong, feirce, confident, beautiful, intelligent, wise and ancient. He is the ancient dragon. He was a strong willed individual. The qu'ran says that when 'allah' wanted Satan to prostrate himself before adam and humans. Satan refused where as the other Angels all prostrated themselves before man. They bowed down meekly to it because it was a creation of 'god', made in the image of god --  they bowed down to it because they were and are totally dedicated to brainlesly serving and submitting to yahweh. Islam literally means 'submission', it requires that week submission and total surrender to 'allah'. Submission as a recurring theme in islam can help you understand their version of the story of Satan. That Satan refused to submit to something just because it was created in the image of 'allah', just because it was associated with him, it means that he was very proud and did not want to bow down to anything, he didn't want to lower himself weakly to something pathetically. That does not mean that he wanted humans to bow down to him, however. He wanted them to be proud, feirce and confident individuals like himself. For Angels to be so meek and submissive they would have to be quite emotionless and drone-like. That helps you to understand Angels, they are just like vessels at the command of their leader, emotionless and drone like beings. They want this sort of submission and weakness, abandonment of the individual. If they are emotionless and completely under the command of their leader, mere vessels, then they will have no problem with performing things like mass slaughter.

[aryanknight666]

oh and by the way, would you care to elaborate on what the vision of the human slaughterhouse explained?

[Apostle]

Yeah...that slaugterhouse stuff needs further illumination plz.

as a lurker, I am with mr. 666 all the way thru this thread.  His questions and tone completely mirror where my mind is on this whole spirit guide topic. Honestly, if spirit guides do exsist...not to be egotistical or anything, but I feel I should giving my guides advice, not the other way around.