To the people that believe the kid with the "ki ball&qu

[tro-flow]

You people actually believe this guy???
I mean kid! The levitation trick is the oldest in the books. Stand in right position, so that your right foot is not seen form the camera's poit of view, do some fake rituals, lift yourself on your toe and voila, it looks like your floating haha. Cool trick! And the telekinese.. you have a good breath control man. Why els did have to be a stupid paper thing like that? So you can blow really gentel! And the ki around your hands.. Everyone in the world who would stand infront of your camera would have the same silouette. Thats what most camera's do, they catch a a little bodily energy, yes, it is energy. But it is not controled by your focus. You feel it though, I can see that, cause its purple, but pure chi has no colour. And a chi ball.. I will soon show you a real one, a clear one.
O yeah the way to levitate described on your website.. It's a kids imagination to fly like that. You definately do not know how chi works!!
I'm not tryin to brag or whatever, but this is just fakery, this is not good!

[CaCoDeMoN]

Why you are so irritated?

[You]

Cameras photograph body energy now do they? Here I'd thought it was to do with the way light refracts... forgive my ignorance.

[tro-flow]

i'm sorry, i was mostly irritated by the clip of the 'levitating guy'. That's just so clear that it's fake.. i think you shouldn't be putting stuff like that on the internet and saying it's real.

And for the camera's, they are light sensitive, and as our body energy consists also of light, I believe it be our energy to be photographed..

But I also have reason to believe this because a friend of mine has a picture of me with a chi ball between my hands, take with mobile telephone.

[You]

All movies can be faked, one should not depend upon movies or even the acts of others (who may be using stage magic) to verify practises, only personal conscious experience from experiments.

[karnautrahl]

I'd like to see that photograph tro-flow . Just out of curiousity. I've never found a way to get my energy really photographed so I have no idea what it would look lik.

[NickJW]

If that kid is a fake, which I think he probably is, does anyone else know exercises etc. that can be done to learn Ki? I was using his website before, but I do think it is fake also, so does anyone know another place i can learn Ki?

[tro-flow]

My way of developing chi is simply by living. Plants don't grow for nothing. Time gives it chi. Just be and you'll get chi. That though is kinda hard to do conciously, so thats main thing you must practice. Being at ease with nature, going with the flow and things like that.
One of the best ways of practising yourself is by any way of expression. Like dancing, singing, martial arts, and other arts.
To controle your chi is to controle yourself.

I prefer to breakdance, i've been doing it for 6 years. It is nor a dance nor a sport, but a way to express oneself with the body, anything is possible, there are no rules, just be creative, being rhythmic and flowing.
I like this way of development because other ways especially made for the chi development allways keep me questioning what to actually do, like visualizing something or breathing exercises, for me they have been a help, but it really is much easier then most people think.

An example of its simpleness: Try fasting, keep focussed without eating, that all pump up your chi.

O yeah, maybe one the most important things is to enjoy what you do

[karnautrahl]

NickJW, talking from my experience I've preferred a more deliberate conscious approach to working with energy work.
I don't agree tro-flow, if simply living was enough to develope chi then we'd have most of our elders "walking on water" somewhat. Ok that was facetious . Some martial arts do stress chi developement, however tai chi for example is a long winded process UNLESS you've already understood how chi feels. Something is lost in translation perhaps. For example my original instructor was all with the passive (feminine perhaps) waiting business-standing meditation. Embracing the tree, iron horse stance etc. He felt chi would flow from this practice. It didn't for me just on this. I had to work it. Sacral pump, several other "locks" and deliberate work. Tai chi works, but I know from my experience only when you already can feel and move chi for yourself, then you can sense the real power of tai chi.
Robert Bruce's NEW Energy ways was the most effective I've ever come across for teaching a beginner how to feel his/her chi and move it around some. I've been playing with this since I was 11 yrs old and only recently found a writer with a system that felt genuine to me. The patience, the zen and the waiting etc is all well and good to those who are used to that practice.
For someone like me, I like something to do, to get some feedback. I know quick results are somewhat frowned upon in traditional practice, but really there's nothing bad about a quick result in itself when it's part of a systematic practice that builds upon early results. With the NEW system you get early sensations very quickly. It then takes practice, effort and time for those results to build into something bigger.
One thing with eating, you may get more sensitive to your diet the more energy work you do. Once you can feel this for yourself, then fasting might help a little though I don't see any need for it. A really healthy organic whole diet is more important
hehe..it looks like I set out to be disagreeable doens't it. Sorry it's late, but I had to respond. Passive training philosophies seem to irritate me a lot for some reason I'm sure there's plenty of analysis to be done there one day. I just know I've had real energy sensations and results when working directly.  Not waiting
Night folks

[NickJW]

I see, in NEW, is developing the energy/etheric body the same as developing ki/chi? I also would like to know if it is actually possible to make balls of ki.
Thanks for the info I will read the NEW article on Robert Bruce's wbsite.

[karnautrahl]

One further thing, you may find it worth your while looking up the term bundi (lock), it's a yogic term. I'm personally aware of 4 of these in my body and I have to close certainly the one in my throat (causes me to hiss on the inbreath) to pull energy in. Without it's more difficult for sure. To pull energy up the spine I need to close several. One in the top of my spinal column  (I think), one in the perinium, the throat one and the solar plexus one.
I'm going by my personal experience only here on these sensations. Judging by my success with some of the demonstrations with people, yes this seems to be chi.

[tro-flow]

Wait, i didn't say that simply by living your chi really expands big time, but it does grow real slowly, just as we do.
Chi is the way of nature to keep itself in balance, to neutralize. So everything that lives is being given chi.

The fasting is to become aware of your inner power. To learn to be able to slow yourself down and relax.

[karnautrahl]

I don't think chi grows by just living at all. If you lead a healthy life it's probably going to stay fairly level, what you take in you use up etc. If you live poorly then it reduces, and if you live well AND you train it it will increase over the time you practice and learn to store it.
I don't believe in fasting as I'm slightly insulin sensitive anyway and biologically i'm more likely to have depressive symptoms if my neurotransmitter precursor levels fall-so I need some proteins and whatnot. Going on a deliberate proper vegan diet for a few days or similar does have interesting and useful effects however. Choosing what you eat carefully in your life does also. There are many people who are enthusiasts of fasting, this is something you'll have to experiment with for yourself big time. Some people feel it's necessary, essential and whatnot, others feel it's a useful tool occasionally. I personally find no value in it if it's of the only take in water kind. The opposite in fact .
That said there are cleansing practices that require water only dieting or similar, as I've never tried these I don't know how well they work. I tried simple fasting a few times-it only makes depressive symptoms come out loads worse. It's not a case of getting worse before getting better either-it's just biology.

[pod_3]

Whether than ego tricks, would someone care to comment on the validity of the techniques? (Don't recall hearing them, myself.)

[ARCHDRAGON]

for me I used to do iron palm, an internal striking technique that trains your hands so that you can realease a massive burst of chi and cause damage that seems supernatural. because of what I know I searched and have seen many strange things that seem far beyond the capabilities of humans. as we will all soon learn humans are much more than we thought we were.

[Darren]

Yeh thats right ARCHDRAGON, I'd like to add that tro-flow, even though these vids seem stupid and some are blatantly false it doesn't mean that the thing they are potraying they can do cannot be done. I know for a fact that telekinesis is real. Sure you may get someone that fakes it becuase they cannot do it... plus why are you here if your so skeptic.. i admit myself i've seen some vids and laughed, but not at the thing they potray e.g. telekinesis, levatation but just the person that is making a vid that is compleatly false. Telekinesis is real and its another one of those things you won't believe in until you do it or see it for real, don't mock it because its TK that brought me to believe and understand in OBE and the greater reality.

Thank you, Darren

[You]

Here's something you guys might enjoy: http://bullshido.net/modules.php?name=News&file=showarticle&threadid=21027

Make sure it's real and not hallucination guys.

[Cheyyne]

NickJW - I see your posts around the forum. It's easy to tell you're interested in learning how to manipulate chi. I have some revelations here I'll share with you from personal experience.

One of the best ways to gain chi is through martial arts. Arts like aikido, hung gar, tai chi, and xing yi are all good ways to begin cultivating your chi. The NEW system DOES gain your chi; but having the chi is not the same as being able to use it, as many of us know!

In order to use your chi in the most effecient manner (read: almost at all), you must also harmonize your body with it. You do this by going through the choreographed motions and forms of martial arts. The forms are like a dance; even the most basic require muscular control that is above the average person's. To get to know your body, you do not sit down with it and ask it questions; you move it, and through refinement, learn how to use it gracefully and fully.

The NEW techniques are very valuable when working with martial arts; they provide a more effective method of meditation (which is half of the above-mentioned arts) than traditional methods, and in this way NEW will help you increase your chi.

Remember the balance of chi, that you must take equally the dark and powerful chi, and the light and balancing chi. In the Astral Dynamics book, this would translate to dark chi being raised through the foot chakras, and light chi raised through the hand chakras. Take dark energy from the earth, and light energy through the sky. Do both in equal measure daily and you will begin to feel your chi harmonizing your system.

I hope this helps you in your quest for powers.

[TradeMAAK]

About telekinesis. Put cups of hot water around the paper wheel and it will rotate the same way. East explanation. Does that mean it's not a TK anymore, ff it's proven? Well...judge yourself.

Levitation - touchy topic. Chris Angel levitated...sort of. He made other people levitate, too. But some russian found out how Copperfield made things levitate. He had ropes of the size of a nanomilimeter or something, each rope could hold 19 kg and he had many ropes around him, so...

[You]

When I can lift my pencil with it, it's telekinesis. Paper is to prove it to yourself, not to others.

[Bonden]

Is it possible to train material arts on your own if I want to learn how to use the chi? And if it is, is there any good web page you recommend where you can learn some basic movements and eventually get more advance movements?
I have found a few web pages but most of them just show advance movements.

[You]

I'd look for a guide to tai chi if chi is all you're interested in.

If you're interested in real combat, you can definitely get better by training alone if you are dedicated, push yourself, and practise proper form, but it won't give you the nerve or experience to deal in any real fights. A lot of schools don't include sparring though, so they won't help with that either.

My advise is to begin strength or weight training alone with stretching. Read martial arts websites, you can learn a lot of basic principles that you can practise with them.

[GuardianMasterAngel]

What is this skepticism about making balls of Ki?
It can be done and is simple!
Microcosmic orbit work can greatly facilitate the flow of Ki, and raise the energy to a higher frequency, energy can also be fired, but it takes a LOT of Energy work to make it powerful.
Why do people take such pleasure in placing limits on their own mind and potential, These things CAN be achieved, it just takes a monumentous amount of practice.

[You]

Says you. I say make a movie of it, or take the Rad Ki challenge. Seriously, take it. If you can make a fireball and burn some newspaper with it, I'll pay you fifty bucks.

I'm not denouncing the existence of Ki balls here, but I've never seen any that are even visible, much less able to be energy blasts. I'm also tired of people making claims about it without support. Visit this site: http://bullshido.net, it touches into lots of this, and shares a similar style of wit with myself.

[zelc76]

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OK go on our web site and take a look at videos, links....

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Just see the videos, its all real, I am in green training kimono.

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You will find also links of other school Dillmans....