why you will never OOB

[Zarklon]

believe what you want but dont destroy the hopes of others like that. I refuse to believe it

[Tom]

Okay. Any thoughts on developing theta instead of alpha for people like me who have strong alpha but not theta?

[Tia]

Did you make that up?

[Tom]

I'm not saying I believe it; I'm saying that any practical advice to change the odds is welcome. All people can obtain astral projection eventually. Even me.

[Adrian]

Greetings!

Everyone expereinces all frequencies during a typical day from beta through to delta. To get to delta you need to pass through theta.

It is all a matter of balance. I should think that everyone has a predominent frequency, but it is quite possible by means of meditation, hemi-sync etc. to re-progam your brain rythms to particular frequencies.

To say that people get stuck in alpha makes no sense to me, and everyone leaves their body every night in delta anyway.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[napoleon]

Yes, Tom, you are right in 100 %, we all will eventually die and cross over to the astral realms.

Didn't you ever wonder that few folks have a super extra experiences no matter what tape or mind machine they try while others struggle for long time and either give up or continue the chase.
Those few talented folks write all the wonderful messages and descriptions of their experiences while hundreds or thousands get almost nothing but hope.  The hundreds get very excited by what they read and hear but they are poor folks - they can't experience it themselves.

I am not a scientist and I wish I am damn wrong and you are right.

Wishing you big success

Jan

ps.
Maybe next week I will try to find more info on this topic, some research papers etc., will see.  
Just keep open mind, but NOT TOO OPEN, otherwise you will be fooled by all the hype in advertising and self-advertising.

Jan

[napoleon]

Adrian wrote:
"To say that people get stuck in alpha makes no sense to me, and everyone leaves their body every night in delta anyway."

Yes, we all go to sleep and are mainly in delta.
We all go through day and are mainly in beta plus other freqencies.
We all can relax, to some degree - and some people show strong alpha during relaxation while others just theta as dominant force or almost the dominant.
Just get hooked up to an EEG while listening to a tape or mind machine. You will see what I mean.

My friend has quite strong theta during rest, when he is hooked up to mind machine you can easily see how the graphs representing his brainwaves change. They are "combed" very quickly into a nice small pattern around 4 or 5 herz and he reports incredible visuals or feeling vibrations.
Myslef have strong alpha - I can spend 2 hours listening to a tape and nothing takes place. Of course, I am relaxed. But I can relax also watching a good movie - this is not a big deal. The graphs representing my brainwaves are altered a little bit but only a little bit. They usually drop from 10 herz to 8 herz. But this is not sufficient for OOBE.  You need 4 or 5 or even as low as 3 herz, or combination of these low frequencies.

We have different brain patterns, even those who are so successul with the tapes and mind machines. But did you ever notice that some people have more interesting experience with one Focus state than the other ?
Some folks prefer Focus 12 others Focus 10 etc.
These Focus levels have different combination of frequencies - if your natural freq. during rest is close to Focus 12 you will have more of it than from any other Focus level.
For good results with the higher Focus you need also the very very high frequencies, above 50 or 100 herz. This is very unusual combination of freq. for example 4 herz and 200 herz in the same time !
But these experiences are also very unusual.




Jan

[Tom]

Actually, I was thinking about death. It is odd to see my thoughts in writing after I refused to speak them. There have been projections for me, though, over my now 14 year struggle. They were rare exceptions to some rule or another. Other abilities are not so slow in coming. I think that what is needed is for more of these people of natural talent to come out and teach the rest of us in person.

[Adrian]

Greetings!

I don't believe that people' s brainwaves get stuck in one frequency or another while relaxing.

Sure, some will have a tendency towards alpha, and some towards theta. Those that are on the theta side are fortunate.

However, there is no doubt that daily meditation will re-sync your brainwaves in a more relaxed state towards theta and even upper delta. This needs to be proper trance meditation however, with vacancy of mind, and be carried out every day if possible for up to a couple of hours. I am not a Buddhist, but I know that Zen style meditation is good for this.

Likewise with the hemi-sync CD's - they will connect up both hemi-spheres of the brain and enable theta to be reached much more easily. I am sure that the hemisphereical connectivity of the brain is a big part in determining the predominent and progressive frequencies achievable.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Jeff_Mash]

I don't know a whole lot about the brainwave frequencies, and how they can restrict a person from OBE'ing.  However, I'm a firm believer that whatever your dominate brainwave frequency is, if you can at least remember your dreams, than you are *capable* of having an OBE/AP.  Period.

In order for a person to recollect those memories when you're physical body is unconscious shows me that they possess the *tools* to one day become AWARE thatthey are dreaming....and that can be a platform to jump into a projection.


Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash
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[OahnMacleod]

If you need an excellent program for inducing different wave states...

I have used the following 2...
Flasher, which is a DOS program and very good in that it flashes to induce the alpha,beta.theta or delta wave state you want to get into.
It can be found at:
http://www.parabox.net/eye-candy/FLASHER.exe
***there is a warning not to use if susceptable to epilepsy***

And for sound waves, an excellent program might be found here at:
http://www.bwgen.com

Both are excellent programs, however, Flasher can only be used on WIN98 or prior as it is a DOS proggie, and I haven't take the time to see if I can somehow get it to run with WinXP properly. I believe if you make a boot up disk with it, and go to generic DOS, (if possible with XP), then you can run it fine...

Have fun with both...

Oahn

[OahnMacleod]

You have to go to:
http://www.parabox.net/eye-candy/

and then choose Flasher down the list...

Sorry!

Oahn

[MartyD]

I used brainwave generator last night and it's the first time i've had vibrations. The particular frequencies I used went down from 14hz to 3.5 over 45 minutes to bring me down slow. I felt so heavy I thought I was gonna go through the bed.

-Martin-

[fredhedd]

this is completely out of my area as i know nothing about brainwaves but wouldn't it make perfect sense to say that if you can dream than you can project.  if you dream aren't you projecting?

napolean, who are you and where did you get those figures?  what study and where and who were the people that were tested?   what do you have to back up what you are saying?

i'm going to need to see some credentials sir.  i ask the policeman to see his badge before he handcuffs me.

[Zarklon]

do you NEED headphones for the brainwave generator ? I mean .. I have some but I cant exactly sit in this chair with headphones and relax cause the cord is too short .. can I just point my computer speakers towards my bed and listen to it ? Also .. marty , which preset gave you the vibrations man ? I've heard of people trying to put these sounds on a CD but is that possible ? Cause i know they loop. How would you listen to them and get the vibrations sitting uncomfortably like it do lol

 Spank you guys

[MartyD]

Ah, yes headphones are a huge requirement otherwise you might as well listen to the fridge. it plays two different frequencies in to each ear which create the binaural beats or something, I dunno, it works thats all that matters. Yes they can be burned to cd, but it's a pain! You need the latest version of the program to make the wave files any longer than a minute, which, is crap, coz i've only got 3.1.2.

Do you have the program. It has to be registered if you want to import presets such as this. If you do go here:

http://www.bwgen.com/presets/bwgen30.htm

Download the one called Deep Mind IV. You've gotta be comfy, I lie down on my bed and use it.

If you dont have the program, register it. If you can't afford it, there are other ways, which involve bending the rules a little. I'll tell you if you want but after that it's in your hands and has nothing to do with me. Also, fredhed, the same thought had occured to me.

[social]

OahnMacleod, very cool link I was unaware of.

I've only played with the brainwave generator for an hour or two. Once I figure out how I respond to all the different presets I'll most likely register the program, and explore somemore.

I'd really like to know where your numbers come from napoleon. I don't mean to imply that your lying, but common sense would typically dicate anyone posting such figures would post the source as well....

[MartyD]

For the Flasher program OahnMacleod mentioned, you can have it run in XP by right clicking on the prgram, clicking compatability, then choose campatability with Windows 98. Should work, if not, then cry.

[napoleon]

fredhedd asked:
"napolean, who are you and where did you get those figures? what study and where and who were the people that were tested? what do you have to back up what you are saying?"

I like this question.
There were some small "studies" done by several of the mind machines/tapes designers/producers.  The users asked why they don't get the colorful visual effects and the OOBE while some other users seems get it quite easy.
The explanation given was: their natural dominant frequency of brainwaves during rest was merely in alpha (between 12 and 8 herz).  When the mind machine or the tape played signal 4 herz  (for inducing OOBE)  the brain didn't respond to it at all.
So no visuals, no vibes no OOBE.

People with strong alpha freq. need a special aproach, special training to "fool" their brains, to trick it, so the alpha is weakened and then can take place the so called Frequency Following Response. With weaker alpha the brainwaves are more flexible, it easier to "pull them down" from alpha to theta and even into delta.  The flexibility of the brainwaves - and not the rigidity - is a must for everyone seriously interested in mind machines and OOBE.

I think even The Monroe Institute wrote about this problem (too strong natural alpha as obstacle for OOBE) in one of their research papers. I have to look into my papers and maybe on the next weekend I will give you some details.

The importance of weakening the alpha to make the brain more flexible and more willing to follow the binaural beat stimulation also described Mr Len Ochs. I don't remember exactly but he has his own strategy on alpha and is quite successful.

How successful in weakening the alpha are all the tapes and mind machines and each of them specifically I don't know - never saw any research.
Obviously many of them don't do it, maybe few does....
But to weaken the strong alpha is more difficult than stop smoking - is just there, period. I met many people using mind machines or tapes but only 3 of them experienced OOB.
Mayabe it impress some of you but not me )

Probably the best way to experience OOB is to spend some time in Monroe Institute in their dark, isolated chambers for many many hours. But even there less than half of the folks experience OOB, if I remember it correctly, have to check next weekend.




Jan

[MartyD]

This is all well and good, but, all research aside, what about you? Can you project? If not, why you here? Do you want to or are you merely taking hope from those who believe it's possible?

-Martin-

[fredhedd]

again brain waves aren't somethingi know too much about and i dislike to repeat things but what about the whole dreaming/already projecting thing?

say someone can't consciously project due to whatever these problems are that you are speaking of but find themselves out of body everynight, and become conscious then?

or is it possible that because of this relaxations problem that not everyone projects like is thought?

[BONEChief]

you can allways download hemi-sync on kazaa, i own the series though,  you can legally own a mp3 of a song or one of  the waves or what ever it is for 24 before you have to delete it with out acually owning the acuall media

Only when one can sit back and look at the whole picture, can one see the purpse of the little things in life.     - Derick Koelsche

[Adrian]

Greetings MartyD!

quote:Originally posted by MartyD:
I used brainwave generator last night and it's the first time i've had vibrations. The particular frequencies I used went down from 14hz to 3.5 over 45 minutes to bring me down slow. I felt so heavy I thought I was gonna go through the bed.

-Martin-

That sounds like a great experience, and could easily lead to OBE!

Which BWGEN pre-set did you use?

I firmly believe that the reason some people experience alpha more readily than theta is due to the way that the left and right hemi-spheres of the brain work together. Brainwave-entrainment like Monroe and BWGEN will, when used enough times, synchronise the left and right spheres of the brain, and bring about the possibility of going down to theta almost at will.

That is why those with natural tendency towards alpha should not give up, but do regular meditation and/or hemi-synch training.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone!

I have posted an excellent article on hemi-sync and brainwave/bineural frequencies in the Astral Consciousness forum.

Wih best regards,

Adrian.

[Christine]

Can you tell, without using a machine, whether you have a tendancy towarda alpha or Theta? For instance Tom, how do you know you have strong Alpha waves?

Christine