Robert and his opinion of Spirit Guides

[Dusty]

Hi,
I was listening to one of Robert's  older online interviews and a caller was asking about astral travel and spirit guides. Anyway, he had mentioned that he never encountered a spirit guide in all of his work and that spirt guides was more for "new age" type beliefs(or something like that). My question is, does that mean that he  doesn't believe they exist? I'm just curious because so many reputable metaphysicians have spoke of spirit guides and being in contact with them.  

Anyway, I'm thinking that perhaps what he meant is that they just aren't needed for astral projection?, .. Now I know that some metaphysicians use Angels/spirit guides interchangibly. I guess another possibility is that Spirit Guides wouldn't present themselves for the type of work he does??

I'm a huge fan of Robert's hard work, but was just a little bit shocked with his comments regarding spirit guides.

Any other thoughts on this?

thanx again,

Dusty

[You]

A spirit guide could be several things.

ORIGIN
1. The creation of another person or other creature's mind.
2. Something spontaneously brought into existence.
3. A construct of the conscious mind made to be a spirit guide for the purposes of the creator.
4. A construct of the unconscious mind made to fill some kind of role but was not consciously decided upon.

ABILITY
1. Has real applicable abilities and an independent mind and existence. Can include what is below but usually much more.
2. (Only 3. or 4.) Is simply a break off of the person's mind and works through placebo effect and is used to draw upon neglected abilities or just reinforce the mind.

Did I miss anything?

[Dusty]

well, in my opinion, spirit guides are very real. Some people just haven't had the chance to communicate with them. I guess that's the same thing they say about astral projection though. Those who've never experienced, say it's nothing but a figment of the mind and something that never happens. I try and keep more of an open mind though. Just as there are people who say that astral projection is nothing bu imagination, I guess it's the same with spirit guides...


I'm hoping I can communicate more with mine someday. Spiritual mediums use them all of the time(at least the REAL ones do).

After reading more of Robert's interviews. He believes in them, but he just doesn't think they are necessary for astral projection. He speaks of communicating with angles all of the time. He just doesn't find them to be necessary for the work he does

[James S]

"Did I miss anything?"

Yes Tyciol, you missed the following:

A non-corporeal entity that has a completely independent existance from that of the person witnessing them.

If you want to take it to the ultimate degree, yes we are all one, yes we are all part of the same universal energy/entity, and therefore any spirit entity we encounter is simply another 'part' of our 'whole'.

In our current evolutionary existance though, we are spirit beings manifest in the physical realm in order to experience, among other things, individuality. As part of this experience of individuality, we will meet other beings who are also experiencing individuality. These other beings may be flesh and blood, they may be spirit.

Before our souls ventured back into the physical world, we make many descisions about the kind of physical lives we will live. This can include such things as what gender, what race, what socio-economic conditions, what karmic conditions, etc, we will experience. This can also include the descision as to whether or not we will have other 'friends' or like minded spirits that have shared many lifetimes with us, remain in spirit to serve as guides.

I have one such guide. He is my 'guardian'. He is a long time old friend and companion that I have shared many lifetimes with. I am also 100% sure that he exists as a seperate entity from me. Why? Well, so far at least three other people, people who do not know each other, in completely isolated incidents have seen this particular guide around me.

I have many other experiences of witnessing other spirits that many other people have seen at different times, and even different parts of the world.

Robert Bruce is without a doubt one of the more skilled astral travellers around, but just because he has not recieved guidance from other spirits does not make them any less real, or a 'wrong' belief.

As you very nicely pointed out Dusty, he has experienced angels on many occasions, but does not feel the need to call on their assistance. His own personal journey up to this point in time has not required the assistance or guidance of other spirits. He has found that his greatest source of guidance has been his higher self.

Here he sets a good example, as we do have all the answers we need within us, and we should look to our own selves, our own spirit selves for the answers we seek in life. This certainly does not preclude though the usefulness, or indeed the joys, the beauty and loving connections associated with being in contact with spirits, be they angels, earth spirits, or deceased loved ones.

I experience many various spirits on a daily basis, and I believe that I am increadibly blessed by their wonderful, loving presence, and their honest, dependable and trustworthy guidance.

I know some people have problems with trusting the spirits. I don't. I work within the universal laws of "like attracts like". I trust the spirits around me because I work from a place of love and light - raising my own vibrations to a level where only 'genuine' higher beings can come to me, where negative beings are repelled by the higher energies and come no where near. It's a really simple concept, and one that has serverd me very very well.

Astral travel is not the only means by which you can meet spirits Dusty. Psychic development through regular meditation is a far more common form of developing all the forms of mediumship (clairvoyance, clairaudience, etc.). If you want some good and practical reading to give you some pointers here, pick up just about anything written by either Ted Andrews or Doreen Virtue. They have a wonderful and enjoyable perspective on working with spirits.

Kind regards, and good luck
James.

[Stryder]

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James,

I have only just joined Astral Pulse after many weeks of searching the forums and decided this week to join and take part in a few topics of discussion.
Today I decided to type in 'Astral Techniques' and the search list led me here.  I read with great interest what you had written about spirit guides as I have had communication with spirit and feel their presence constantly about me (even though I find the dross of this Earth plane very heavy at times and I can't always raise my consciousness high enough).

Years ago, in my teens, my Grandmother held development circles at a church in Kings Heath, Birmingham which she had helped build, from scratch, mortar and souls!.  All her life she had been in touch with spirit, showing a constant and developing gift of clairvoyance and clairaudience.
She had links with Harry Edwards (a great healer and spiritualist) and Isa Northedge in Nottingham, UK.  When she was diagnosed with stomach cancer in her 40's (in the 1950's), she went to the spiritualist church of Isa Northedge and underwent an operation by a spirit doctor (Dr Reynolds), who removed 2 cancers.  This was witnessed by Isa, my Grandad and various other members of the church.  The cancers were burnt in the grounds nearby.  My nan died in 1990.
She was a kind and gentle lady who never imposed her views or beliefs on anyone.  I asked her, over time, about the circles she held every Wednesday at home.  A group of friends gathered, sang hyms and prayed and asked for guidance as my Nan went into a trance and slowly spirit came through.
There are many experiences of events during the circles that I can tell you and how so natural and comfortable I felt with it all.  it is like going home and feeling secure and revitalised.

For a while now, I have know that I must get back on the spiritual path and I have been searching for ways, clues, developing intuition etc.

I know and sense 'Ranan' my guide, around me (first time I have ever typed his name and I have known him as my spirit guide for 21 years).

It's time to open my inner eyes, and help those around me in a more positive way.  I shall do this, I know, by talking to likeminded people, like yourself, who believe and trust in spirit.

Thanks for listening.

See you on the highways.

S

[knucklebrain1970]

I've pounded on the walls for my spirit guides to show their face, to no avail


Perhaps I should yell louder?

Kevin

[Leannain]

maybe they're shy lol

[Dusty]

"Did I miss anything?"

Yes Tyciol, you missed the following:

A non-corporeal entity that has a completely independent existance from that of the person witnessing them.

If you want to take it to the ultimate degree, yes we are all one, yes we are all part of the same universal energy/entity, and therefore any spirit entity we encounter is simply another 'part' of our 'whole'.

In our current evolutionary existance though, we are spirit beings manifest in the physical realm in order to experience, among other things, individuality. As part of this experience of individuality, we will meet other beings who are also experiencing individuality. These other beings may be flesh and blood, they may be spirit.

Before our souls ventured back into the physical world, we make many descisions about the kind of physical lives we will live. This can include such things as what gender, what race, what socio-economic conditions, what karmic conditions, etc, we will experience. This can also include the descision as to whether or not we will have other 'friends' or like minded spirits that have shared many lifetimes with us, remain in spirit to serve as guides.

I have one such guide. He is my 'guardian'. He is a long time old friend and companion that I have shared many lifetimes with. I am also 100% sure that he exists as a seperate entity from me. Why? Well, so far at least three other people, people who do not know each other, in completely isolated incidents have seen this particular guide around me.

I have many other experiences of witnessing other spirits that many other people have seen at different times, and even different parts of the world.

Robert Bruce is without a doubt one of the more skilled astral travellers around, but just because he has not recieved guidance from other spirits does not make them any less real, or a 'wrong' belief.

As you very nicely pointed out Dusty, he has experienced angels on many occasions, but does not feel the need to call on their assistance. His own personal journey up to this point in time has not required the assistance or guidance of other spirits. He has found that his greatest source of guidance has been his higher self.

Here he sets a good example, as we do have all the answers we need within us, and we should look to our own selves, our own spirit selves for the answers we seek in life. This certainly does not preclude though the usefulness, or indeed the joys, the beauty and loving connections associated with being in contact with spirits, be they angels, earth spirits, or deceased loved ones.

I experience many various spirits on a daily basis, and I believe that I am increadibly blessed by their wonderful, loving presence, and their honest, dependable and trustworthy guidance.

I know some people have problems with trusting the spirits. I don't. I work within the universal laws of "like attracts like". I trust the spirits around me because I work from a place of love and light - raising my own vibrations to a level where only 'genuine' higher beings can come to me, where negative beings are repelled by the higher energies and come no where near. It's a really simple concept, and one that has serverd me very very well.

Astral travel is not the only means by which you can meet spirits Dusty. Psychic development through regular meditation is a far more common form of developing all the forms of mediumship (clairvoyance, clairaudience, etc.). If you want some good and practical reading to give you some pointers here, pick up just about anything written by either Ted Andrews or Doreen Virtue. They have a wonderful and enjoyable perspective on working with spirits.

Kind regards, and good luck
James.

excellent post James!! Thanx for sharing!! They say that "experience is the best teacher" and until you've "experienced" you don't realize how powerful a statement that is!!!    . I use to be a rigid skeptic. Heck, I could have been James Randi I was that skeptical and a big time athiest, but experiences have since tought me otherwise...

[RD]

I also listened to the great interviews and I think there is a bit of contradiction in Roberts words, or in how we interpret them.

I think he means that he doesn't use spiritual guides for astral projection and that he never got help for that specific subject, but he also said that when he raised his kundalini for the first time, he received help/guidance from (spiritual) beings that told him what to do to survive this.

He also was guided when he was posessed with that demon when walking in the Australian forest. He asked for guidance by saying to the heavens that he could use some help down here, right?

These are just a couple of examples that I can think of now. There are probably many more.

I think it also depends on who you are. I also red books that recommended to ask for guidance, to let Michael stand on the north, of south site of your protected space or whatever, but this is probably all useless when you don't even (yet) know or believe in those beings.


BTW: Loved Roberts voice; he sounds so kind

[redcatherine]

I was listening to one of Robert's  older online interviews and a caller was asking about astral travel and spirit guides. Anyway, he had mentioned that he never encountered a spirit guide in all of his work and that spirit guides was more for "new age" type beliefs(or something like that). My question is, does that mean that he  doesn't believe they exist?

Well go right to the source and ask him . lol
In conversation with Robert, many years ago, he related a  meeting with spirit masters as he projected  high above the clouds and saw them all around him sitting upon single clouds . He said he went to this  realm where a number appeared and they asked him several questions .

So I think you have him out of perspective . He always maintained that he would rather go straight to the source and see for himself and to trust his higher self instead and not have to trust spirit guides and that he was not in the habit of consorting with his own . But ask him on the questions line . It has been a number of years since i spoke to him on this theme . Perhaps he has changed his viewpoint since then . But I think he  would acknowledge that they exist as he had met the highest ones  .He is without a doubt an expert metaphysicist at a world class level and he is an adept most proficient at energy body development .

I'm just curious because so many reputable metaphysicians have spoke of spirit guides and being in contact with them.  Anyway, I'm thinking that perhaps what he meant is that they just aren't needed for astral projection?, .. Now I know that some metaphysicians use Angels/spirit guides interchangeably. I guess another possibility is that Spirit Guides wouldn't present themselves for the type of work he does??I'm a huge fan of Robert's hard work, but was just a little bit shocked with his comments regarding spirit guides. Any other thoughts on this?
thanx again,
Dusty

[Nuvo22]

My spirit guide is nice. I've seen her twice during OBE's.   I don't know why Robert hasn't met his. Oh well.  Some people are slow.

[Tayesin]

I've pounded on the walls for my spirit guides to show their face, to no avail


Perhaps I should yell louder?

Kevin

Perhaps it is not TIME for you to make such contact ?  The old adage about the teacher appearing when the student is ready, is very applicable to meeting your Guides and or Higher-Self/primary guide.

James, brilliant post again mate.  Knowing that you who does have a firm grasp on what is what and what is not, makes me feel more comfortable with not posting here any more, as you provide the same answers I would.

Thanks mate.

People have to relize tha RB is one person who has ventured along his own path and not followed others...  this makes him an Explorer in the Realms..  and he is but one of many who have done so over the past 20 to 30 years.

Therefore his opinions and beliefs are uniquely his, as it should be, and if he chooses to not work with the Guides then it is only a choice and possibly one that has prevented a certain amount of growth to merging with the Higher-Self, even if he does get his primary answers from the H/Self.

Love Always and bye folks.
Tay

[father_satans_follower]

I think maybe these spirit guides are just a bunch of Psychic Vampires, decieving you people.