why you will never OOB

[fredhedd]

how about 'why you may not ever oobe?'

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by napoleon:
So what about those of us visiting this for me, or those attempting OOB for many many years, who never actually experined it for  themselves ?
It is frustrating to be drawn here, read about all the super extraordinanry astral adventures and don't have your own.  

Hi Jan....

Let me ask you, do you get frustrated watching "Cribs" or "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous?"  

In those shows, we are shown how lavish and carefree the homes and lives of celebrities really are.......even though we may never actually attain that kind of status ourselves.  I'm sure you don't watch that show and get frustrated, do you?

However, it would be just as ridiculous for me to tell you, "Here is why you'll never be rich."  Sure, it may be a struggle to earn a 6 figure income, but would I discourage you from attaining that?  Of course not.  For some people, it's easier to earn a lot of money, because they have trained in their fields and professions for such a goal.

Others of us haven't had that much training, but we have seen poor people who have worked at what they love, gone to school to acquire the appropriate skills, and now we've seen them earn the 6 figure salary that they only dreamed about.  The only thing that kept them moving forward was the fact that they knew it was possible!

I don't need to explain the analogy and how it applies to those who would like to learn how to project......I can tell you're a smart individual and you can see the parallels that I'm drawing.  

If I can reassure you of anything, it would be this.  I know that ANYONE can project,because I can do it!  I was just like so many of you out there who STRIVED to have one but nothing ever happened.  I can't explain why, all of the sudden, they started to occur with me one evening, but once they did, I knew that anything was possible.....and that if a moron like me could work at it and eventually do it, then you can too.  You just have to believe it's possible, no matter what you're head tells you otherwise.


Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash
MyJokeMail.com - Jokes and Humor
http://myjokemail.com

[napoleon]

Jeff, sorry to disappoint you. I don't watch "Cribs" or "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" - simply I don't have time for this.
I spent almost every evening doing my OOB exercises or listen to a hemi-sync tape.
I am still optimistic about what I am doing, and not giving up, and tomorrow will be my 6.783th attempt. Sometimes in the evening I also read what the masters and ghurus have to say about OOB.

But I love humor (and black humor too) so I will visit your website, it sounds interesting.

Jan


Jan

[SPASTRAL]

Hi All,

I will start this as a new thread as this one is getting a bit long....Also, maybe people will lighten up a bit too?!?::

Napoleon, practising and achieving OOBE is hard enough without the threat of never sucessfully doing it.  What was the purpose of your thread? where is the constructive side to counter the negative? Do you realise that people want to do this so badly, they would stick thier head down the toilet an hour a day if they thought it would help.

We should disregard the research, it is a small study, and will not reflect true percentages. for those who are trying (but not yet succeeded)

When I first found out about AP, it was considered to be a massive occult phenominon and was not widely accepted on a scientific level, now everyone is talking about the scientific aspects, and forgetting the basic fundaments: AP is a privilidge and is a key to spiritual enlightenment that we should respect and keep in perspective.  If one never manages to project, the benefits of the meditation and preparation work are massive to our mental health, for that we should be grateful alone.

As an alternative to the BW generator, I have an astral.WAV file which I have paid $20 for.  Adrian, is there a possability of hosting such files and utilities here.  This would allow people to get even more from an already brilliant site.  I started a thread and offered people a copy of this, I have already had around 10 emails asking me to forward it on.

[Lysear]

I think that Astral projection isnt just the ability of the few but everyone! we do it every night remember! All you need is the real belief that you can achieve it and you will. It worked for me (sort of) with my semi-concious projection and it was one of the most amazing experiences of my life. I'll put this to you, I have never had any super human abilities or psychic powers but what i do have is a belief in the power of my brain, be it Muldoons crypto concious or subconcious or whatever you call it we have no Idea of what it can do yet!

                       Lysear

[napoleon]

IGuys, instead of criticizing and complaining be more positive and constructive.

Spastral wrote:
"I will start this as a new thread as this one is getting a bit long....Also, maybe people will lighten up a bit too?!?::"

There is nothing wrong with long threads I think. Quick switching from one topic to another with only 1-2 posts in threads is rather not for me. I think we are doing fine, I have GREAT interest in your responses and am having good time.

"What was the purpose of your thread?"

Read one of my my previous posts.

"Do you realise that people want to do this so badly, they would stick thier head down the toilet an hour a day if they thought it would help."

) No excrement. )
Do you think that guy like me who tried for many years doesn't belong to this group of people ?
I am one of you folks, heh heh.

Wishing you well
Jan

ps. guys, maybe instead of moaning how hurtful the title of this thread is for you, and other trivias, you give us some good "recipe" for a successul OOB.
For everyone.
But please without the "try harder" and "be positive". I am hard like a wood and have a big smile glued to my face...all the time.






Jan

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by napoleon:
Jeff, sorry to disappoint you. I don't watch "Cribs" or "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" - simply I don't have time for this.
I spent almost every evening doing my OOB exercises or listen to a hemi-sync tape.
I am still optimistic about what I am doing, and not giving up, and tomorrow will be my 6.783th attempt. Sometimes in the evening I also read what the masters and ghurus have to say about OOB.

Hi Jan....I'm glad to see that you're still keeping an open mind about it.  You know, the first time I had an OBE was when I stopped trying and just decided to go to sleep.  Ironic, huh?  Maybe you've already done this, but just tell yourself, "Ok Jan, for the next 7 days, I am NOT going to try and OBE.  I'll just read about them and hear from others, but when I lay down at night, I am just trying to go to sleep.  If I catch myself trying to do any techniques for the next 7 days, I will stop."

After all, if you're doing everything that you think is right and you're still not projecting, what could it hurt to try the complete opposite?

quote:
But I love humor (and black humor too) so I will visit your website, it sounds interesting.

Oh, then you'll LOVE MyJokeMail!  Especially the new Kid Drawings section.


Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash
MyJokeMail.com - Jokes and Humor
http://myjokemail.com

[napoleon]

Excellent jokes )))
bravo !

Jan

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone!

Yes, it is the negativity this topic that is the main issue. As I mentioned before - in order to OBE you must have a postive attitude towards it, otherwise your subconscious will stop you every time - no matter how hard or many times you try. You have to tell your subconscious that you will project, and go about it accordingly.

Here are another few words by Robert Bruce:

" a lot of controlled obe's were done under lab
conditions with a variety of volunteers, including Robert Monroe.  It was
found that the majority of successful obe's (projectors had to read random
numbers in another room) projected in a light alpha state, not a deep alpha
or theta state, ascertained by eeg readings and etc..   I think they had a
12 year old girl who got a 10 out of 10 success rate..

That speaks for itself.

The fact is - anyone at all can succeed at the various forms of Astral projection, it just takes longer for those that are not naturally inclined, and also a positive attitude, proper information, and lots of practice. It is however a progressive ability, and once learned can be reliable - so the effort is well worth it - what else is worth more effort?

Spastral:

quote:
As an alternative to the BW generator, I have an astral.WAV file which I have paid $20 for. Adrian, is there a possability of hosting such files and utilities here. This would allow people to get even more from an already brilliant site. I started a thread and offered people a copy of this, I have already had around 10 emails asking me to forward it on.

Thanks for your kind offer! First and foremost you would need to check the copyright. I am not saying there is a problem with your file, but please realise that  I would never allow anything here that broke any laws.

If the copyright is OK we can do one of three things:

1) Create a section in the File library for you to upload the file to.

2) You can (and not many people realise this) attach it to a forum post. Yu should see an "Attach File" option under the message area when you post.

3) I will place it on the server for people to download with their browsers.

Please let me know what you would like to do.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[wierdzly]

Napoleon sounds like he needs William Buhlmans Sleep programming tape. The tape gets your subconcious to let go. The ways it helps are listed below.

1. As your falling asleep it reminds you of what your goals are and how it will go.

2. It breaks the chains of negative, self defeating, in the rut thinking that has been programmed by you and your environment.

3. It's also a form of hypnosis. As you are falling to sleep you become more susceptable to suggestions.

4. A refreshing break from brainwave and meditation.

The tape now available in cd form is available at http://www.out-of-body.com/      

I think you still have to buy it with the 4 tape set.  Still inexpensive compared to others.

WEIRDZLY!

[OahnMacleod]

Hey guys, correct me if I am wrong here...

I think napoleon stated in the first post (Sorry for my poor English) and with that, I kept thinking as I read (his?) posts thereafter that it wasn't so much negativity as it was practicality and reality on (his?) part?

My impression of foreigners in general is that they are not as spoiled in America with an attitude of you can simply DO EVERYTHING you want whenever you fancy. I think some countries are more disciplined and more realistic of the world THEY live in. Heck, to grow up in a socialist or communist country would give you a HELL of a lot different perspective to the possibilities you have in life. I think America is a progressive place to live as far as exploring as many religious and spiritual studies as you want without having to suffer dire social consequences for doing so.
I believe in China and Russia, the bible and christianity were banned for many years. In India, you could be subject to a caste system if you are of any worth and the rules that govern it. In the Islamic countries, can you question the possibilities of other spiritual paths as well without being an infidel? And don't forget the power that church and religious organizations can have on someone and screw up their thinking because of dogmatic practices. Because of those spiritual dogmatic influences, (and that includes MANY people in the USA, ahem catholics). you would be too fearful to think outside the confines of your church, lest you go to hell. So napoleon might be correct to a degree. Some people WILL never get this stuff, no matter how hard they try, until they address those mental, spiritual or emotional blocks they have already programmed in their mind preventing them from success in this arena.

I hope I am not off-base here but at best, if napoleon, (or I for that matter), is to be criticized, please let it because of simply being misinformed. And please correct us both from a place that we are on the same team, we are all seekers of truth.

Namaste,
Oahn

[Jacara]

I think it was mainly a knee-jerk reaction to the title of his post more than anything else.  In it, he wasn't just being pessimistic, he was saying that for some [actually, for most] that OBE was impossible.  And here's why it's impossible for you.  Implication?  Just give it up right now.
There's certainly a place for staying realistic, and I appreciate lots of the discussion that's happened in this thread.  But it started on the wrong foot I think because it was pessimistic to the point of being untrue (as I believe the consensus is that even the "65%" with brainwaves that aren't naturally conducive to trance can still learn to achieve trance, with practice).

[Tom]

It was good to acknowledge that 65% of us will have to try harder and perhaps use different methods to supplement the usual techniques. I am part of that 65% and will be quick to listen to anything which can help to put me into the 35%. It would be nice to get back on topic.

[napoleon]

Guys , remember OOB may have a personal quality that cannot be reduced to a brainwave category.

ps 1 - . I come from Europe, you may call me Janis
ps 2 - Yes, maybe the title of my original post should be more refined, but at least it grabbed your attention , he heh, you sweet Americans
ps 3 - OahnMacleod wrote something very interesting, he is so right


Jan

[napoleon]

OK guys, here is some solid food for thought.

"Researcher Toman confirmed the work of Loomis, Harvey and Hobart which showed that people with strong alpha frequencies had a poor range of entrainment to stimulation and those with little or no alpha rhythms could be entrained to a wider range of frequencies including the theta."

I told you.

"G. Oster published an excellent article on the effects of binaural beats (BB) in Scientific American (1973). He showed the difference between monaural beats (MB) and binaural beats. He demonstrated that binaural beats produced much smaller results  than that of monaural beats and concluded that binaural beats have almost no brainwave entrainment value but could be beneficial in diagnosing certain neurological disorders such as Parkinson's Disease."


The binaural beats are used on tapes from Monroe Institute.


"In 1995, in Northwestern University was collected the research on brainwave entrainment using photic stimulation. They found that some persons entrained to the stimulus and ....... others didn't."





Jan

[fredhedd]

i briefly glanced over all of the replys to this topic.  i don't know anything about brainwaves yet and plan to look some info up and then re read this thread.  i believe i've come up w/ a good response though.  i believe the reason why you'll never project is because there is no such thing.  

hell of a good site if it was possible though

[napoleon]

Hi all

(Sorry for my poor English)

The people with strong alpha waves during relaxation will never experience OOB. They consist of approx. 65 % of population.  The strength of alpha doesn't allow them to reach the sufficent depth of mental and physical relaxation. They are of course relaxed but not the way they should be for extraordinary experience.

Approx. 15 % of adults shows quite strong theta and weak alpha.  These are the folks who if try are successul with all the Monroe tapes (hemis-sync) light and sound machines, floatation tanks and so forth.

I hope you are in the second group so you don't waste your money and don't get frustrated for lack of results with the tapes and mind machines.
If you are in the first group, well, just follow the hype and try and try and try.
Good luck

Jan


ps.
The other 20 % are classified into other groups.

Jan