Concious Astral Verification for Everyone.

[You]

I am rather confused... as I read about astral projection, flowing from one thing to the next, I realize that I do that sometimes in my imagination before bed, even accompanied with visuals. But, I write it off as imagination.

It is, after all, right?

As what point do you all begin to think to yourself that the Astral realms are real? That they go beyond your head. That they are links to all other people, and even things that aren't people.

Is it all in the head? If it is, is there a point? Wouldn't it just be a waste of time?

It is confusing to me, I hope for a reality like this, but I want it applicable to this reality as well, I don't want to look upon it some day as a phase, something imaginary, something I used to escape from the world. Sometimes we all wish to escape, I do all the time when I am unhappy, but I refuse to! I may find distractions, but consciously choosing to believe something is real that is not? Unacceptable.

So I need to know it's real, and having astral projection happen at will, or will great detail, is not proof. It simply is not. It must have real world ramifications. Speaking with another physical person, for example, and sharing a message, and then verifying it in reality, that's something that can be depended upon as a verification that unless you started making up things you saw in reality it would be hard to miss.

Generally, seeing or knowing anything you shouldn't be able to know while sitting with your eyes closed, I'd take as existence of the astral. The verification of the astral I think would be through communicating with other people's minds, while the verification of OBE would be through communicating with the world, observing it, spying, whatever.

So, I want to hear from all of you that care to reply, at what point did you know it was real, how, and how strongly convinced are you? Are there those of you that engage in it but are still unsure? I feel I'll be in that category before I get to the former one, and it will be a frustrating time, a time of uncertainty, a feeling that can only be overridden by exuberant fun, but that will not cloud my mind for long.

[Psan]

I feel its very important to ascertain the validity of AP phenomenon.
For my personal convenience, I broke the problem down in these stages -
1. The pre-oobe symptoms (vibes etc).
2. The 'separation' or switching to an altered state.
3.  The 'travel' or the actual experience.
4. The 're-entry' or switching back to normal state.

So far I'm convinced that the points 1,2 and 4 are very real; almost 'objective'. They are very much consistent, across multiple experiences and multiple individuals. So no chances of doubt for them. We have something here.

Actual drama starts at stage -3, and as is obvious no proof is available. There are claims, which are mostly of a 'personal' nature and unintentional, i.e. the person did not arrange an experiment beforehand, he just hit it. (some NDE accounts, although valid, fall under this one)

Those who arranged an experiment, to rule out coincidences and frauds, could not repeat it. Which is unfortunate, because it neither proves nor disproves the stage-3.

For me, the grey band of stage-3 ranges from seemingly real to totally lucid-dream like, there are no black n white ends yet. If it is true, but still cant be proven by current scientific methods, it'll give birth to a more advanced science. (see Godel's views regarding logical truth).  There are no doubt that 'something' is going on, and people are studying it since centuries and have left tons of information about it, cross confirmed by others.

[RenaissanceMan]

I'm still unsure about how valid it is.  I'm just starting that "Verification Phase" now.

I'll try the card trick and then try and visit people and things like that.  Hopefully try and physically move something at another location if that 's possible.  (Perhaps like Patrick Swayze did in 'Ghost' where he focused all of his emotions).

Repeated, consistent verification is what I am seeking.

[astralspinner]

But, I write it off as imagination...As what point do you all begin to think to yourself that the Astral realms are real?

AIUI, that's kinda like asking "At what point does a stream become a river?"

The difference between an astral place and an imaginary place isn't as clear as you seem to think. When you imagine something, you actually create it in the Astral. When you conjure up an image in your "mind's eye" you're actually shifting your attention to your astral vision as you create the image in the Astral. Even when wide-awake and 'in body' there is still an aspect of ourselves in the astral - this is how Phasing works, after all.

Standing in an imaginary room, you are also standing in an Astral room. But standing in an Astral room isn't necessarily standing in an imaginary room.

The difference is that you created the imaginary room yourself, but the Astral room exists independently of you.

That's AIUI, anyway. I could be wrong

[rowofmushytit]

the proof comes when you are standing in the astral and you ask yourself if this is real. You know something is real, when it scares the excrement out of you. Then you are convinced.

[Telos]

the proof comes when you are standing in the astral and you ask yourself if this is real. You know something is real, when it scares the [edit] out of you. Then you are convinced.

When I was all of 3 or 4 years-old, I was frightened by a huge metal black spider that was suction-cupped to a window pane in our living room. I would not go near it. It was perpetually there. It was an inch wide and had its own thick black metal web around it, 7 inches long. It sat silently in stark contrast the light outside. My sisters would scare me by walking up and touching it. "No! It's real!" I said. Why wouldn't they listen? Any moment the spider was going to jump and bite them. And they would die a horribly frightening death. They picked me up and forced me to go near it, while I kicked and screamed. I cried, and did not instantly accept that it was fake.

Now the figurine is in a box of other quaint looking ornaments. I pick it up, feeling the shadow of a shiver long gone, wondering how my parents could ever thought such a tacky piece was fashionable enough to put on a pane of glass.

Are you saying now that it was real? How about another example!

In our den was a block of wood with a jolly-looking face carved in it. I don't know who started it, but someone called it the "boogeyman." I think it was my sister, just saying out of the blue one day, "did you know the boogeyman lives in our house?"

"No," I said. "Where?" It was a valid question. Show me proof. Give me validation. She got up and pointed me to the medieval face surrounded by tree bark.

"During the night, he gets up and walks around. He can change size. You'd never know it was him."

One night I very nervously got up and went downstairs to check and see if the boogeyman was out and about. I didn't get very far - I was too scared and went back to bed.

Is the boogeyman real? My sister told me so. She even showed me some solid evidence. And it was bizarre enough to make me convinced it was real. It wasn't.

How does this apply to the astral? I guess all things appear real when you fill in the gaps of your understanding with imagination.

[rowofmushytit]

The fear you felt was real. Looks like you are not over it yet - sorry for bringing out those repressed feeling about your childhood. Plus i am not trusting the judgement of a 4 year old about reality. As an adult that spider story does not hold.
You know the astral is real, cause it is scarely real as an adult. I don't mean you are actually physically scared, but the power and awe of it inpires a sense of primordial spinal tap phsyco grab-you-by-the-balls feeling that you cannot mistake as being fake.

[Telos]

Plus i am not trusting the judgement of a 4 year old about reality.

I thought you'd say something like that. What makes you think you could trust the judgment of a 10, 50, or 100 year-old about reality? Is it because they have better cognitive faculties? But what does it tell you when 50 year-old astral projects and is completely immersed in a subjective fantasy land?

I don't doubt the "realness of the experience," and the primordial reptile-brain-ness (or brainlessness)?. I'm just introducing the point that children have real convictions that are wrong, which means adults will undoubtedly have real convictions that are wrong if they retreat to childish behavior. An example is saying, "It's real! I know it is!" as though simply saying that settles matter.

If the fear was real, how come it disappeared when I grew older? I did not "overcome" the fear. It just went away, because I was scared of a phantom, something that wasn't real. And I know you have had similar experiences as a child.

I don't mean you are actually physically scared, but the power and awe of it inpires a sense of primordial spinal tap phsyco grab-you-by-the-balls feeling that you cannot mistake as being fake.

You don't know any schizophrenics, do you? My uncle is one. You also don't know any delusional old people, do you? My mother works at a nursing home, so I have met quite a few, aside from the ones in my own family. They appear to experience powerful "grab-you-by-the-balls" feelings that they cannot mistake, apparitions, false identities, etc.

Make an effort to visit the psychotic ward of a hospital. After that, go to a nursing home every week for about a year. You might also want to consider staying at a homeless shelter, since there are usually a few psychotics there as well.

When you get back, I'd be more interested in your lecture on what's real and what's not. You might learn a lesson of appreciation in being able to properly distinguish what is real and what isn't.

Looks like you are not over it yet -

Like I said, there was nothing to get over! Except my childishness. Fear is a signal, and signals must be interpreted. They are not real by themselves.

Just so you know, I don't doubt the existence of the astral. But you can't just say "It's real! I know it's real!" Because a mature reality requires verification. A childish reality is a fantasy land of no verification. That can be fun at times, of course. But if that's all you do, you're not much help.

sorry for bringing out those repressed feeling about your childhood.

Sorry for contradicting you and insinuating that you are thinking childishly. I don't mean it as an insult (seriously!)  because everybody thinks childishly every now and then, and there's nothing wrong if that's where you want to stay.

[rowofmushytit]

you are over-analyzing. the stuff about your childhood was just a joke.  

[Telos]

Just your mind - which is a bag of emotions.

Really? In my experiences, it's a whole lot more than that.

You must go on feeling, cause that is real to the user and noone else.

This is very funny and ironic. In your claiming that the astral is real, you're ignoring its genuineness. And that is your problem - you underestimate its genuineness by underestimating its potential to be critically verified.

Sure there can be real-world verifications, but this is insignificant compared the users own feeling. Real-world verification like the card-trick is usually an after-thought and provides that extra bit of convincing

I understand. While in the astral, I often totally forget my intentions to verify it because the feeling is so incredibly deep and intoxicating, so that I would be fearful to questioning its authenticity. It's a hedonistic predilection.

It can be fun to be an astral hedonist, but it's still an animalistic mindsest. As humans we equate that with being an unguided child. Seriously, there is some value in being a childish hedonist. But we should bridge that with being "childlike," in the sense that one is curious to grow and be a member of an advanced thinking astral society.

I hope that didn't sound snotty. ;) I threw that word around ("childish") too many times. But if we are comparatively children on this physical Earth with regards to the "higher planes," then that word deserves some assertion.

[rowofmushytit]

OK, cool. Just haven't got around to real-world verification myself -will do, just not good enough yet. I don't doubt it is real for the meantime based purely on my user-based-reality.

[You]

Thank you Major Tom I will read that article. I agree that after a while the burden of proof wouldn't be as important, but I think it's good every now and then to get all paranoid and defensive about it and test yourself to hell.

Psan: That is the whole dilemma, anyone can say 'oh yeah I proved it, but it won't work again', but that doesn't hold up because a lot of people can even rewrite their own memories. It needs to be actually recorded and compared with other people (preferably neutral ones) to ground it in reality.

AIUI, that's kinda like asking "At what point does a stream become a river?"

No it is not, what I am asking if is either hold water.

The difference between an astral place and an imaginary place isn't as clear as you seem to think. When you imagine something, you actually create it in the Astral. When you conjure up an image in your "mind's eye" you're actually shifting your attention to your astral vision as you create the image in the Astral.

If you are taking that stance, I will reword my question to be better understood. How do you know that your imagination/astral visions are not just manifestations of a biological brain and actually have real physical applications and consequences in interacting with other people and your verified real environment?

Even when wide-awake and 'in body' there is still an aspect of ourselves in the astral - this is how Phasing works, after all.

I'll tackle phasing later, thank you, sorry but Stuart Wilde believes in phasing and he smokes mushrooms, so I have a negative opinion about the whole thing.

Standing in an imaginary room, you are also standing in an Astral room. But standing in an Astral room isn't necessarily standing in an imaginary room.

The difference is that you created the imaginary room yourself, but the Astral room exists independently of you.

That's AIUI, anyway. I could be wrong

What does AIUI mean? Also, I understand this separation you make, but if not other people, what does create an astral room? Astral people? Either way, does the astral room have any real applications and consistant verification by other people without prior communication to manufacture it beforehand?

the proof comes when you are standing in the astral and you ask yourself if this is real. You know something is real, when it scares the [edit] out of you. Then you are convinced.

I do not find bewilderment at the lack of being able to explain something valid proof for its existence according to any beliefs you or others may have about it. It is true that you could visualize yourself in the 'astral' (otherwise I'd wonder why so many people would be making the claim, they can't all be liars after all), but the question is whether or not you're standing in a daydream or something more, something supernatural that you're tapping into.

Telos: excellent examples to explain the problems with such an explanation.

The fear you felt was real. Looks like you are not over it yet - sorry for bringing out those repressed feeling about your childhood. Plus i am not trusting the judgement of a 4 year old about reality. As an adult that spider story does not hold.
You know the astral is real, cause it is scarely real as an adult. I don't mean you are actually physically scared, but the power and awe of it inpires a sense of primordial spinal tap phsyco grab-you-by-the-balls feeling that you cannot mistake as being fake.

While adults may on average be more intelligent and grounded in reality, it does not mean that they are impervious to delusion or mental disorder. The fact that so many people believe in contradictory religions means that some of them are 'on the wrong side', wrong, usually because of being easily manipulated into fantasy. I will not go into details on specifics here as it is does not pertain to the topic, World Religion would be a good forum for that.

Telos: again, good form, thank you.

Row: Don't try and pull out of it, I could tell you weren't joking, just being belligerent.

For both of you I would like to say something: being childish isn't necessarily a bad thing. Childishness and Maturity are two sides of a coin, of the ability to explore for more dreams and strength, and the manifestation of them. Sort of like a Yin and Yang, a positive and negative, I think they're good to be balanced, some people become too adult. Anyway... back to the topic...

[Thanatos5]

Hmm, first of all, although fear can't be used to PROVE astral projection, theres no reason to think that it can DISPROVE it either. Take for example my childhood fear: my fear of tigers. As a child I would look at them to be big, murderous, vicious beasts. Now that I matured, I still have a fear of them almost as much. Now because the fear is there, does that mean the tiger doesn't exist? No. Does it mean its merely a hallucination or some other thing? Not at all. I know it's rowofmushytit's mistake to believe that fear in its self is the way to know that astral projection is a verifiable experience. I myself do not see emotionalism as proof for anything for the supernatural, or anything else for that matter, at least not a substitute for full, empirical evidence used to support any extraordinary claims ("Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." comes to mind), but I see it at least as a START for further investigation. Like with your spider analogy, Telos. When you saw that spider as a child, you were scared because of lack of knowledge, but years later, you looked into it as an adult,  and you saw that there was nothing to support your fears or claims, so you stopped believing in it. I kind of use this "starting off point" for my personal quest for God. I felt something there, something deep down. So I explored it. I still am actually, and quite frankly, I'm not disappointed so far. So anyway, I'm still myself seeing if astral projection is real or not. But what is reality anyway? Did you know that what we finally  receive from our senses, what you see now, is basically a watered down, little image of what there actually is? That's just the nature of how our brain works. Theres just too much to take in all at once, so it does the best in the end to construct a fairly good image, at least for the purposes it sets out to do, of whats "real". And even if this wasn't true, how do we know that reality that is real? Our senses can be tricking us, so even something as seemingly "stable" as reality can seem to be, is in itself at the end of the day can be very subjective. We just don't know. We can have all the images and evidence we want, all the third party viewpoints, anything, in the end we just take it for fact, and I'm not saying that's not logical, far from it. All I'm trying to point out is that this is basically the same way with  trying to prove or disprove astral projection. We can have all the fear, emotion, empirical evidence, card reading, anything we want, it basically all boils down to whether the individual believes in it or not. Call me a lunatic or whatever you wish, that's what I think. Thank you.

[redcatherine]

As what point do you all begin to think to yourself that the Astral realms are real? .....Is it all in the head? ...If it is, is there a point? Wouldn't it just be a waste of time?

The realms are real the simplest way to confirm it is to travel there on a group merkaba and confirm with your mates what you see and hear and feel so that you understand yes they sense the same thing . Until such time as you can get a group together to do this then look to the voices of those you trust and confirm your experiences with them . Please take a look at these free video clips from James Hurtak the author of The Keys of Enoch . When my group went to Shamballah we saw the same place depicted in this video . The only difference was that we found less mist and water there . So maybe they went in the rainy season lol

Here are the addys :
http://www.eyewithin.com/a.html
http://www.eyewithin.com/b.html
http://www.eyewithin.com/c.html
http://www.eyewithin.com/d.html
http://www.eyewithin.com/e.html



Now then tell us what you see in
The Akashic Records /Hall of Records
The Golden Chamber of Melchiezedek
Shamballah
the Temples of Wisdom
the Window on the edge of the universe
the devic plane
and in the various ashrams of the Mahatma

let's make this thread  place to prove it is real .

I was very sad to hear a teacher i respected say to me
that she no longer believes the realms are real
She believes now that the mind makes it up as a construct she thinks it is a human archetype that we are all replaying
a human implanted video for the mind that we are born with .
but then she does not see as well as i do
and she is not clairaudient at all
and i told her thank you for all she taught me
and i loved reading her books
but it is not all in her head or in her heart
that i have gone to these places
with a group of 8 others
and we all see the same things there

Carl Jung also believed that these realms were innate human archetypes that we are born with and that the reams did not exist .
But then he could not project see spirit or hear spirit so what proof would he have ?

No
it is not imagined
it is real
don't let any one tell you it is an illusion
or a construct
go and see for yourself
develop more
learn to see and hear better
you can do it
all of us can
it is free
it only takes time and practice to develop
clairvoyance and clairaudience
the sky is not the limit
there is no limit
the progress is eternal
and enlightenment is not a town that you spend the night in
it is highway without an end
a place that cannot be reached but at trip that is called life

c'mon and share it you know there are many on this forum who have been to these realms
don't keep secrets
it is time for the next shift
so let us gear up together

[Psan]

I don't mean you are actually physically scared, but the power and awe of it inpires a sense of primordial spinal tap phsyco grab-you-by-the-balls feeling that you cannot mistake as being fake.

 
I dont know if I agree or disagree with the 'emotional' confirmation of astral being true, because although the emotional feeling of standing in something real, (during an AP) gives you a best possible conviction which is personal, it is not a good way to PROVE something. Afterall we all know that we humans are easily fooled by tricks that nature plays with us. Its better to double check always.
Now, there are a lot many so called proofs of astral, afterlife, transcommunications, rebirths, spirit phenomena and so on. In fact there are so many that compiling them would fill up many volumes. Even if 1% of them are legitimate, we have a scientific truth that can be established. But this is not happening....why?
I feel that most of the scientific discoveries get solidified into masses and mainstream science because of their technological spinoffs i.e. some devices are invented which are very useful based on those scientific principles. For example - thermodynamics->locomotives, electrodynamics->radio, etc. People generally take the truth of these for granted, it works, it must be true.
Unfortunately the discovery of supernatural has not provided us even with a single technological breakthrough. I have never seen a single application that was of mass use which originated out of tons of astral gibberish. This goes in favor of hard skeptics and against the firm believers.

I heard of a story that while demonstrating his phonograph in public, Edison was laughed at by a senior scientist, who left saying that he was a fraud. As we all know, now the truth of the invention needs no proof.
A major technological breakthrough explainable via astral theories would become an undeniable proof. This is the only way I see to settle this issue.

[You]

Hmm, first of all, although fear can't be used to PROVE astral projection, theres no reason to think that it can DISPROVE it either.

When did fear come into this discussion? Furthermore, since when is the burden of proof upon the skeptic? I'm not going to quote that whole big thing about tigers you posted, but relating my overcoming an avoidance to spiders to your finding god is just silly: spiders are most assuredly REAL. Please break up your paragraphs a bit, that's very hard to read.

The realms are real the simplest way to confirm it is to travel there on a group merkaba and confirm with your mates what you see and hear and feel so that you understand yes they sense the same thing.

Yes, true. First, however, I think the astral plane should be experienced individually, so you can make sure the merkaba is not manipulating you, then yes, testing with various groups (preferably ones far away who could never know what you see) is the perfect way to verify it.

Until such time as you can get a group together to do this then look to the voices of those you trust and confirm your experiences with them.

Hard to do when we trust no one, and those few we do do not share our interests...

Please take a look at these free video clips from James Hurtak the author of The Keys of Enoch . When my group went to Shamballah we saw the same place depicted in this video . The only difference was that we found less mist and water there . So maybe they went in the rainy season lol

I started viewing them but stopped. I do not need to view them, after all, I have not attempted to travel to these places, if I do go there and see what is in those movies I will have no way of knowing it isn't just a subconscious memory of watching them. Therefore when I experiment with the projection I will make detailed notes of what I saw and compare them to your images. The brief glimpse I did see was very nice though, it takes talent to animate that.

Now then tell us what you see in
The Akashic Records /Hall of Records
The Golden Chamber of Melchiezedek
Shamballah
the Temples of Wisdom
the Window on the edge of the universe
the devic plane
and in the various ashrams of the Mahatma

let's make this thread  place to prove it is real .

This I will do, are there guidelines on how to get to places like these in astral projection? Is this in RB's book or somewhere else?

I was very sad to hear a teacher i respected say to me that she no longer believes the realms are real She believes now that the mind makes it up as a construct she thinks it is a human rchetype that we are all replaying a human implanted video for the mind that we are born with . but then she does not see as well as i do and she is not clairaudient at all and i told her thank you for all she taught me and i loved reading her books but it is not all in her head or in her heart that i have gone to these places with a group of 8 others and we all see the same things there Carl Jung also believed that these realms were innate human archetypes that we are born with and that the reams did not exist . But then he could not project see spirit or hear spirit so what proof would he have ?

I think it is refreshing that your teacher is providing an objective view. You should respect your teacher and look at it her way just as you want her to look at it yours, it should provide greater insight. While the best students do surpass their teachers, some students only think they do and get carried away. If your teacher's teachings formed the basis of your theories, perhaps you should listen to her reasons for thinking of it as being a mass unconcious archtype? Perhaps they are even the same thing, just a different interpretation?

No it is not imagined it is real  don't let any one tell you it is an illusion or a construct

I don't need them to, I do it myself I would not assume it is real just as I would prefer not to assume it is not real.

go and see for yourself develop more learn to see and hear better you can do it all of us can it is free it only takes time and practice to develop clairvoyance and clairaudience the sky is not the limit
there is no limit the progress is eternal and enlightenment is not a town that you spend the night in it is highway without an end a place that cannot be reached but at trip that is called life c'mon and share it you know there are many on this forum who have been to these realms
don't keep secrets it is time for the next shift so let us gear up together

Many people on these forums do say they've been there but there really isn't any way to know it, verification is a very individual thing. Is the first step in exploring the astral mastering NEW, Treatise on Astral Projection, or Training to See Auras? I'm not sure which to get into first... NEW is sort of slow.

[redcatherine]

Now then tell us what you see in
The Akashic Records /Hall of Records
The Golden Chamber of Melchiezedek
Shamballah
the Temples of Wisdom
the Window on the edge of the universe
the devic plane
and in the various ashrams of the Mahatma
let's make this thread  place to prove it is real .

This I will do, are there guidelines on how to get to places like these in astral projection? Is this in RB's book or somewhere else?

If one can project and see clairvoyantly than a simple
method is :

1.
sit in a group of 5 or more peers with the same minimal skills
more people means more energy
all will see better hear better
but if they do not have the minimal skills then they will drain the group
so sit with peers and 5 to 12 is a good number
less can be too weak
more can mean more distractions
more coughers or snorters or unable to sit stillers
so you will do best in a group of peers that you can work well with
that you have been successful with

first hold hands and open in prayer and protection
then have the group close eyes and take 3 deep breaths at own pace
open eyes to indicate when ready
then go

here is one method to go there :

2.
We humbly invoke the presence of Archangel Michael to protect us on our journey today . We thank him for his assistance . We humbly invoke the assistance of Metatron and ask him to manifest for us a group merkaba so that we may travel to ______________ together now . We ask that he will cover us with his platinum net of protection now.

But if you cannot find a group and you feel you see very well you might try by yourself of one other .:

Short methods of Accessing Ascension Seats and Ashrams of the Masters
Small Group Channeling Technique : .This is a marvellous way to effect a group merkaba for a small group of 2 to 5 students to see the same things through each others eyes .Close your eyes focus and breathe ,take 3 deep cleansing breaths ,centring and focusing for meditation , take and hold the forearms to the elbows of each other while facing each other . Right hand palm up left hand palm down . After you do your opening prayer then call in your personal guide and guardian angel and any ascended masters you work with . Then Invoke the presence of Archangel Michael , and Metatron . Ask to have the group merkaba manifested by Metatron and covered with his platinum net of protection to be escorted and protected by Archangel Michael for the intention of going to the ascension seat of _____________ to _________________. ( for example to the To the Golden Chamber of Melchiezedek for the purpose of initiation into the order of Melchiezedek ). Amen.

Example : We stand holding hands right hand palm up left hand palm down . We visualise a ring of gold around our circle and a cross of white light on every window door and chimney . We stand before you Mother and Father God perfectly protected and safe . Heavenly Spirit we humbly pray that you will guide us tonight in our spiritual journey as we take one more step forward on the spiritual path . Amen . Drop hands and sit down , Please . Prepare for this meditation by taking 3 deep cleansing breaths when you are ready close your eyes and sit uncrossed palms up eyes closed . We humbly invoke the presence of Archangel Metatron . We ask Archangel Metatron to manifest for us a group merkaba perfectly protected with his platinum net . We humbly invoke the presence of Archangel Michael . We ask Archangel Michael to protect us and lead us on our journey to the ________-Ascension Seat now . Amen

For one solo aspirant you begin like this . I sit before you Heavenly Spirit perfectly protected and safe . I come to take another step forward on my spiritual journey . I humbly invoke the presence of Archangel Metatron to perfect my merkaba by covering it with his platinum net of protection . I humbly invoke the presence of Archangel Michael . I humbly request that Archangel Michael will protect me and my merkaba and safely lead me on my journey to the ashram of ___________.Amen.

An Ascension Seat List abridged from the work of Dr. Stone
1. Ascension seat on the Arcturian space craft called the "LightSynthesis Chamber".
2. Ascension seat in Mt. Shasta.
3. Ascension seat King's Chamber Great Pyramid of Giza for stabilization after the7th and for the 5th Initiation
4. Golden Chamber of Melchiezedek in the Universal Core. The place of the 6th initiation
5. Ascension seat in Shamballah, the home of Sanat Kumara.- The place of the 7th initiation
6. Ascension seat in Serapis Bey's ascension retreat in Luxor.- The place of the 8thinitiation
7. Ascension seat at the Great Blue Lodge on Sirius
8. Ascension seat in Table Mountain Wyoming, called the "Atomic Accelerator".
9. Ascension seat in Africa in an underground UFO space craft.-Pool of Time
10. Ascension seat at the Galactic Level. Lenduce's ashram
11. Ascension seat in Melchior's ashram in the Galactic Core.
12. Ascension seat in the Solar Core in the Chamber of Helios.
13. Ascension seat in Telos, the underground city one mile below Mt.Shasta.
14. Ascension seat on Commander Ashtar's ship.

Dr.Joshua David Stone : on How To Use the Ascension Seats -"To utilize these ascension seats call forth to the Ascended Master who is in charge of the particular ascension seat you are using, and your own Spiritual Teacher, if you like. Then just make a prayer request to be taken to the location in your spiritual body to sit in the ascension seat. You will immediately begin to feel the flow of the spiritual current in the top of your head and throughout your entire body. Sometimes it takes a minute or two to get established, sometimes not."

[You]

I'm unable to do group things at the moment, and I'm not praying to any Heavenly spirits, so I'll find another path to these worlds I'm sure it's not a total requirement, it just might be a bit more dangerous for me.

[knightlight]

NEW, in my experience, is not slow.  I started it a week ago and I have some incredible energy sensations throughout all the major areas of my energy body.  I felt results after 2 days.  I also feel that it played a major role in my first obe.  Atleast give it a try!  

[greatoutdoors]

Tyciol, you are right in line with my thoughts! It's not real unless you can prove it--consistently.

There was some talk here about "knowing" the astral was real because it scared you. Uhhh, has anyone heard of nightmares? I've had a few real corkers and I know absolutely they aren't real -- one involved the end of the human race.

Someone else mentioned that the astral becomes "real" when you imagine it. Has anyone heard of dreams? I've had a few flying dreams that I would give anything to have be real. But nope, no carryover to the waking world.  

I know OBE is real because of my one wide-awake, standing on my feet, during the day, experience with it. I wasn't tired and I wasn't daydreaming. Unfortunately, the whole thing lasted only seconds. I had just a bare second to think about finding proof, then it was over. And of course, I haven't been able to do it again!   So, even though I've "been there, done that," I must reserve judgment on its reality.

Has anyone been able to successfully complete the card trick? I'd love to hear about it!

[Selski]

Has anyone been able to successfully complete the card trick? I'd love to hear about it!

Puts hand up.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18497

See the second post.  My experience.

Enjoy!  

Sarah

[greatoutdoors]

Selski,

WOW! Congratulations! Have you been able to do it again? I know how hard that is, mind you, because of my own experiences.

Wow, again!

[Selski]

Have you been able to do it again?

Hi greatoutdoors

Glad you enjoyed it  

Once I'd done it I didn't feel the need to keep testing it, as it were.  I was happy with what I'd achieved - it satisfied my criteria.  I wanted to move away from the verification and start having a bit of fun.

I always set myself small targets with OBEs, such as walking around our Close, trying to get through the wardrobe, walking through a mirror - and once I've achieved the aim (even if the outcome is very different to what I hoped), I tend to "cross it off the list" and think of something else.  

I'm still bellyaching about walking through the wardrobe (haven't got that one out of my system yet   ), but at the moment, my current theme is to have an intelligent conversation with a guide/helper/whatever they are.  

Watch this space.

Sarah

[hermit1950]

[As what point do you all begin to think to yourself that the Astral realms are real? That they go beyond your head. That they are links to all other people, and even things that aren't people.}

I personally have never gotten to the astral under my own {TRYING} but have none the less been out while totally awake on at least 4 ocassions.
Once (last time) I had a guide .

For a few yrs, a few yrs back, I expermented a little trying and during that time my 9 yr old son got out and proved it to me.After asking what I was reading and it was a how to book.

Now most of the stuff you guys are talking about doing (in the process) I am not at all fam. with (diff. ways of getting out) all this newage talk I guess. but what I do know for a fact is that the times it did happen to me, just the feeling of (being) in my astral body was like -not explaineable in words.Like better than the best feeling Id ever had from ANYTHING in the physical ever.
Just the feeling of being in my astral body looking at what I use to think was me, sitting in the chair still with eyes open. ,with nothing special going on at all other than the exp. itself.Wich was beyond special.Once I was given some understanding.

So Im having a very hard time understanding how someone could possibly have any doubt about it after it had happened to them.

Now I can see eaisly someone not knowing what was going on at first and maybe being scared almost to death,as that was my 1st exp. with it ,right at first when it happened, but then  I was given understanding after saying over and over to whatever was trying to communicate with me
BUT I DONT UNDERSTAND and then like someone through open the shutters everything that had been said the whole time was just all there inside just as if it always had been.

I only have my own exp. to go by but it has really made me wonder how you could not be sure without any doubt whatsoever.

Mainly because if nothing else as i said just BEING in that state felt like what I may have related to back then as what heaven might feel like.

If anyone will explain this privatly or otherwise I would greatly appreciate it.
I realize were all diff. beings at diff stages of the game but for some reason I had the feeling that that would be very close to the same for all.

Like just sitting in an astral chair doing nothing, just being there?

Just like the same thing here  sitting and saying- ya ok ,Im sitting here and, I feel ok.Nothing special but ok!Just being-

I will say you guys do keep it interesting! And I plan on looking into lots of the things your trying just to learn a bit about it.For sanity sake more than anything.

Im no longer much concerned about doing it under my own power anymore.That was less than half of my life ago.And for some reason it doesnt feel so important to me anymore.Not that I may not feel diff 30 sec.s from now even.Hey-who knows-

But my hunger for knoweledge if anything has grown.

Guess maybe after trying for the period of time I was trying to do it under my own controll,I finally desided that  the gods knew more than me and maybe Id somehow missuse the priv. Any way I left it at that and went on with my life.

Always aware of the exp.s wich to me were more real than anything Ive ever exp.ed at any time ever on a 3rd demension.



well onward and inward                                    Hermit

[Hpmons]

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