Why Not To Trust Your School

[manuel]

http://www.omnipresence.mahost.org/antischool.htm

[cloudymoon]

I don't trust my school...Why would ANYONE want to be like any one else!? Being an induvidual is great!

[Nay]

I don't know about the link, but after all this time Manuel, I still chuckle at your sig.  Cluck, cluck..

Nay

[Logic]

My english teacher used to say the exact same things, that was also the only class I learned anything both academically and on a personal level.

[heter]

Than you for the link.

[OrionsDream]

Yeah cool link.

School does teach you one thing tho
It teaches you how to get around in this 'illusion' 3d world until u can move on. It also will prolly make ur later life ezer, leaving less stress to work on energy stuff.

[no_leaf_clover]

Thanks for the link, man. This is exactly the type of thing that people take for granted, and never think about in terms of messing with them psychologically.

[OrionsDream]

I dont really think that ppl who are aware of the illuminati would NOT know about that kinda school thing... its sorta obvious!
but the link takes the obvious and breaks it down in a really cool detailed way

[Almost Solid]

We don't need no education....everybody sing along...

http://walterkarp.tripod.com/jamescurtis/id22.html

[OrionsDream]

lol, yes we do need an 'education' to get around in today's world, at least until it starts to crumble. It would make life a lot easier to have a well paid job. It would leave less distraction for things like what we discuss on this forum.

[Almost Solid]

OrionsDream,
O.K. I'll rephrase...'forced' education or at least the current model. Didn't read the tatch, didja?  

[OrionsDream]

No i got linked her, sorry!

But how does some1 get forced to be educated? Do you mean like the law that says you have to go up thru middle school or somethin?

[beavis]

Thank you school for teaching me how to spell buracracy with extra useless letters: bureaucracy. That was a much better use of my time than making me smarter. Now I have to spend even more time erasing that mental poison from my head.

[€]

Ah, thank you manuel for this lovely subject.

I'm usually the only one talking about school this way, I'm so glad there are others here.

I think the worst thing a school does is force all the students to attend.  People eventually develop a hate for anything they are forced into, especially if it begins when they are still young and easily influenced.

I really don't want everyone to develop a hate for learning.

Apparently some *******s in control do.  Someone wants us to hate learning.  It's just so easy to control people who hate to learn.  All your biggest secrets could be right in the daily newspaper and nobody would ever take the time to read them.  It's a good thing this hate for learning slowly begins to wear off once a person is no longer being forced into learning, or we'd really be screwed. (not that we aren't screwed the way things are now)

We should all teach ourselves!  What are these wonderful public libraries full of 1000's of years worth of information for?  We should all teach ourselves everything we think we'll need to be successful in life, plus anything we are interested in.  And we can!  But since so many of us hate to learn, they don't have interests.  They don't go to libraries.  They don't read.  They think you're "not cool" if you learn anything in your life.  

Damn conformists.

Sorry, I'll stop now.  At least I didn't copy and paste the thirty some pages about school in my little "journal".  This is actually short enough for one or two people to take the time to read.

It's so nice to see all these pictures of Alex Gray's artwork for TOOL next to people's names.  (Logic and Manuel)

That reminds me, I've got to go find that Tool wrench logo or something for my name.

[Almost Solid]

Hey, complex E! Can't you turn that 30+ pages into a couple hundred and publish it? Someone needs to!  

[Leannain]

expected.
school is the evil axis of lucifer.
*fear*

[€]

Yea, AlmostSolid, I've thought of doing that, publishing some kind of book or sending a shorter writing on this to a newspaper.  It really wouldn't be hard for me either, I spent about half of my time in school just thinking of all the reasons I shouldn't be there. x_x


Complex e!  I like my new name.  Now people have something to call me, and they don't have to spend forever trying to find out how to make the symbol.

[Almost Solid]

My keyboard is deficient, looked all over for it and it ain't there.  

[Telos]

ALRIGHT!!! NO MORE MISTER NICE GAIUS!!!!!!


Sorry, just trying to distract myself from the utter depression that befalls me whenever I study this subject.

For a somewhat more "wholesome" site, check out www.takingchildrenseriously.com ... which was founded by the famous quantum physicist, David Deutsch! Obviously there are many other sites but I am currently paralyzed from adding more.

Graduation... in... six ... months... stay... alert....

[alskdjfhg]

I took the time to gather all the information below and assemble it the way that you see it now.  All I ask from you is for you to take the time to read it, and think at all over.

What do all these famous people have in common? (No, the answer is not that they are all famous!)

Albert Einstein
John D. Rockefeller Sr.
Henry Ford
Walt Disney
Abraham Lincoln
Sebastian Bach
Peter Jennings
Thomas Edison
Dave Thomas
Ted Turner
Charles Dickens
Orville Wright
Wilbur Wright
Steve Jobs
Carl Sandburg
Diana, Princess of Wales
George Burns
Martin Van Buren
Sir Francis Drake
Benjamin Franklin
Clark Gable
Andrew Carnegie
Samuel L. Clemens (Mark Twain)
Christopher Columbus
Davey Crockett
George Gershwin
Amadeo Peter Giannini
Cary Grant
W.T. Grant
H.L. Hunt
John Huston
Elton John
Andrew Jackson
John Paul Jones
Henry J. Kaiser
Kirk Kerkorian
Ray Kroc
Jerry Lewis
John Major
William Shakespeare
George Bernard Shaw
Frank Sinatra
John Phillip Sousa
Zachary Taylor
George Washington
William Faulkner
Herman Melville
Claude Monet
Liza Minelli
David H. Murdock
Florence Nightingale
Thomas Paine
Millard Fillmore
Will Rogers
Fredrick Henry Royce
Edmond Safra
David Sarnoff
William Saroyan
Vidal Sassoon
Walt Whitman
Grover Cleveland
Irving Berlin
H.G. Wells
Jim Clark
Jimmy Dean
Andrew Jackson
Leon Uris
W. Clement Stone
Jack London
John Chancellor
“Colonel” Harlan Sanders
Stephen Wozniak
Joe DiMaggio
Arthur Ernest Morgan
Ray Charles
Cher
Maurice Chevalier
Pierce Brosnan
Ellen Burnstyn
Raymond Burr
Sammy Cahn
Michael Caine
Glen Campbell
Daniel Gilbert
Patrick Henry
Ansel Adams
Julie Andres
Louis Armstrong
Brooke Astor
Pearl Bailey
Lucille Ball
Bill Bartman
Count Basie
Jack Benny
Humphrey Bogart
Peter Bogdanovich
Whoopie Goldberg
Benny Goodman
Lew Grade
Philip Emeagwali
Danny Thomas
Peter Ustinov
Hiram Stevens
Patrick Stewart
Kemmons Wilson
Kjell Inge Rokke
David Puttnam
Anthony Quinn
Julie London
Sophia Loren
Joe Louis
Roy Rogers
Walter Nash
Olivia Newton-John
Rosa Parks
Mary Pickford
Sydney Poitier
Frederick “Freddy” Laker
Tommy Lasorda
David Lean
Anton van Leeuwenhoek
Richard Branson
Isaac Merrit Singer
Alfred E. Smith
Charles Chaplin
Sean Connery
Jack Kent Cooke
Noel Coward
Joan Crawford
Charles E. Culpeper
Robert De Niro
Gerard Depardieu
Richard Desmond
Thomas Dolby
Carl Lindner
John Llewellyn
Marcus Loew
Mary Lyon
Sonny Bono
Duke Ellington
Ella Fitzgerald
Aretha Franklin
Horace Greeley
Thomas Haffa
J.R. Simplot
Robert Maxwell
Rod McKuen


Answer: They are all dropouts.

Nearly all of them were/are millionaires, and many were/are billionaires.

Some never went to school at all, and the rest dropped out somewhere between the first and twelfth grade.

Now scroll up and look over those names again, now that you know why they are here. Hopefully some of them are familiar to you…




Quotes (famous)

"Now they're talking about making kids wear uniforms in school... Don't these schools do enough damage making these kids think alike, now they want them to look alike too?" - George Carlin

"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice." –Albert Einstein

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." –Albert Einstein

"Here's a bumper sticker I'd like to see...'We are the Proud Parents of a Child who has resisted his teacher's attempts to bend him to the will of his corporate masters'." - George Carlin

"The important thing is not to stop questioning." Albert Einstein

"One had to cram all of this stuff into one's mind, whether one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect that, after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration of any scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year... It is in fact nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction have not entirely strangled the holy spirit of inquiry; for this delicate little plant, aside from stimulation, stands mainly in need of freedom; without this it goes to wrack and ruin without fail. It is a very grave mistake to think that the enjoyment of seeing and searching can be promoted by means of coercion and a sense of duty." –Albert Einstein

"Schools – if they must exist - should be HELPING kids learn, not telling them when to learn, how to learn and WHAT to learn. Of course, this is why they rarely tell them why they are learning the way they are, because the answer would be too depressing – because out in the 'real world', this is how things operate, you have little choice. Why? Because not enough many people bother to ask that question." - Dov Harrison

"You don't learn anything in school. It's just a waste of time. You lug around books and do homework. They give too much homework. You shouldn't be doing homework. Nobody's interested in it. Most of the teachers are stupid. They don't know how to teach. And they shouldn't make anyone go to school. You don't want to go, you don't go, that's all. It's ridiculous. I don't remember one thing I learned in school. My two and a half years in Erasmus High I wasted. I didn't like the whole thing. You have to mix with all those stupid kids. The teachers are even dumber than the kids. They talk down to the kids. Half of them are crazy. If they'd have let me, I would have quit before I was sixteen." –Bobby Fisher

"Education is very important. That's why I never let schooling get in the way of mine." –Mark Twain

"An unjust law is a code inflicted upon a minority which that minority had no part in enacting or creating because it did not have the unhampered right to vote." –Martin Luther King Jr.

"The most damaging phrase in the language is: "It's always been done that way." –Grace Hopper

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." –Mathatma Gandhi

"Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education." –Bertrand Russell

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." –Alexander Hamilton

“There is, on the whole, nothing on Earth intended for innocent people so horrible as a school.” –George Bernard Shaw

"The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself... Almost inevitably, he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable." –H. L. Mencken

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." –Margaret Mead

"It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong." –Voltaire

"The strongest meshes of the school net are invisible. Constant bidding for a stranger's attention creates a chemistry producing the common characteristics of modern schoolchildren: whining, dishonesty, malice, treachery, and cruelty. Unceasing competition for official favor in the dramatic fish bowl of a classroom delivers cowardly children, little people sunk in chronic boredom, little people with no apparent purpose for being alive." –John Taylor Gatto

"Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation leads to success. The pupil is thereby "schooled" to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His imagination is "schooled" to accept service in place of value. Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military poise for national security, the rat race for productive work. Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavor are defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools, and other agencies in question." –Ivan Illich




Anonymous Student Quotes

“Nowadays, if you get good grades you are called intelligent, now matter how ignorant you are, no matter how poor are your critical thinking or creative abilities. Conformity is praised, and independence is punished.”

“All people found guilty of being born are sentenced to 12 years of hard labor without bail.”

“Expected respect is unearned respect.”

"I'd rather be hated for rebelling than loved for conforming."

“Your self expression is where your intelligence starts. The authorities limit it and then wonder why we have so many idiots today.”

“No one can be expected to like something that they are forced into.  Have you noticed that American teens think things like learning, reading, and writing are boring? Is it really so hard to figure out why?”

"Being outcast has a large history. From being burned at the stake for not believing in the church, to being insulted, harassed, and tortured because you don't wear the right brands. Its all the same story, but with different people and different time periods"

"Learning is fun, but the public schools never want you to know that. If you're not having fun, then you don't feel good and don't want to do anything else but ponder about why you're here"

"Curiosity may have killed the cat, but at least he didn't die conforming."

“The schools order us around, telling us to do so much work that by the time we’re done with what we’re “supposed” to do, we’ve done so much work already that we don’t want to do any more… we no longer desire to pursue anything on our own, so we go waste our time watching the television. We learn not to do anything we don’t we have to do. This alone; the fact that we don’t do anything we don’t have to explains why every household has at least one television, why so many of us are overweight, and why we all get stuck with jobs we don’t enjoy rather than making our dreams into reality.”

“An educator is a sadist who likes to see how other people suffer when they are exhausted with tons of work, humiliated for questioning his dogmas, and get bad grades because they don’t study what he wants.”

“School puts off our dreams and discourages us until we are hesitant to make them reality.”

"School is a lot like a job in every negative way. It's not like a job in that people with jobs get paid, and they can quit without causing some massive uproar."
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Congratulations to all who made it this far. Most people would read the first 3-4 quotes, think they’ve read an entire book, and close the document. I guess the only way I could get most of the people who receive this message to read it would be for me to become a school teacher and force you all to do so. And of course, for those who do not obey, I would first publicly humiliate you in front of your peers, then force you to sit in a room for an extra hour doing absolutely nothing, and finally, send a report card home to your brainwashed parents, who will consequently begin to think you are stupid, and further your punishment.

(Note: The above does not apply to those who skipped parts.)

(Note: The note above is not meant to insult anyone’s intelligence, it’s purpose is to help the many people who, as a result of being spoon-fed all the knowledge they have acquired thus far in life, depend on everything being spelled out for them and have lost the ability to think for themselves. Let there be a moment of silence for the pitiable persons described above.)

[AndrewTheSinger]

I've been kicked out of every school I've ever been to, 5 altogether, guess I'm going in the right direction.

[Telos]

alskdjfhg, since Einstein is a byword for genius, it might be important to note that he went back to finish school before going on to become famous.

But, yeah, I'd bomb every school in the nation if I could.

[Jenadots]

all of the article may be true but I would add another:  To make good workers for the corporations.  They are indeed howling about the training they have to do which is an expensive proposition.

The philosopher-educator Rousseau had a plan that let people out of school from about 13 to 24.  He said it wasn't until one was in their 20's that one was really ready to be educated and to think and to create.  

I am inclined to agree.  Let's just graduate from 8th grade, go to work for 10 years and then start secondary/upper level education and training.

Such a system might actually give meaning and value to an education instead of the just marking time that so many perceive it to be now.

Isn't it ironic that in the very poor countries kids can't wait to put on a uniform, sit in a hot room with 50 or more kids on a dirt floor with slates and chalk to write on, one teacher and no books and no fighting with each other or mf-ing anyone or anything?  It is important to them and those who can't go to school would give anything to be able to.

[NickJW]

Individual? I think it would be better if we were all one collective counciuosness.... like the Borg.