Terrorist attacks in London

[RT]

I have a question and some food for thought.

Why would the terrorist's wait to bomb the UK a day after the London olympic bids were a day or so over???
 
Why wouldn't they have done it a week before? Are they that ignorant?  But they can plan complex bombs, timings, detonations, etc.......hmmm??

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005310148,00.html


What does everyone else think?  I have heard conspiracy theories on the net that make logical sense.

[Tombo]

Maybe it seemed more important to them to time the blasts with the opening of the G8?

[Frank]

Hi:

I would suggest the olympic bid success had nothing to do with it. That the timing was linked to the G8 summit.

Yours,
Frank

[Gandalf]

It  was the G8.. its got nothing to do with olympics.

The leaders of the 8 richest countries in the world were meeting in Gleneagles for the G8 summit but they only arrived on Wednesday. By  making the bombs go off on Thursday, they could be sure that they were all there, thus allowing for full coverage. The bombs were a message to these countries.

The G8 or 8 richest countries in the world are: United Kingdom, Germany, France, Italy, USA, Canada, Japan and Russia.

[no_leaf_clover]

By making the bombs go off on Thursday, they could be sure that they were all there, thus allowing for full coverage.

And allowing for cute TV footage showing them all standing behind Blair as he went on about how we need to hunt down these radicals by supporting more war. Bush even nodding his head some.

It's a good thing that the British police are not nearly as stupid as the American counterparts. We would've blamed al Qaeda and never looked back. The Brits are actually looking into this thing, though, quite seriously.

So far, the al Qaeda connection has been dismissed (at least according to some sources) as being the main suspect, with eyes now turning to domestic terrorists at Scotland Yard, and with arrests being made domestically recently/soon (within the past hour apparently, but unclear o.O).

"MSNBC TV translator Jacob Keryakes, who said that a copy of the message was later posted on a secular Web site, noted that the claim of responsibility contained an error in one of the Quranic verses it cited. That suggests that the claim may be phony, he said.

"This is not something al-Qaida would do," he said.

Furthermore, the website posting doesn't even claim personal responsibility, it simply references "the heroic mujahedeen" in the third person. The posting praises the attack, it doesn't even take responsibility for it."

Then there have been claims of right-wing extremist involvement, trying to sitr up trouble with Muslims by making it appear as though the attacks were committed by them.

There are several reasons for this belief. One is that GCHQ and MI-5 intercepts of the communications of Muslim groups in Britain and abroad - groups suspected of ties to militants - revealed that targeted individuals and organizations were genuinely surprised at the London bombings. Another is the statement of former Metropolitan London police commissioner Sir John Stevens that the perpetrators were 'almost certainly' British. Although many accused Stevens of stirring up racial tensions, he never referred to British Muslims. British Prime Minister Tony Blair ruled out any probe of the bombings claiming it would 'distract' from the investigation.

It might also explain the attempts to stir up racial tensions by playing up the presence of radical Islam in Britain, the fact that the video cameras were mysteriously all not working in the bombed bus, the 'military' source of the explosives, and the odd report of a Canary Wharf shooting by police. It would also make the London attacks similar to the strategy-of-tension attacks in Madrid, where extreme right-wingers attempted to frame Muslims for a police attack in order to create racial tension. The fact that we seem to know less about the bombing now than we did last week is also something to think about.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/diplomatic/foreign.htm

Of interest, the investigation so far has turned the following (among others):

"Contrary to original claims that Israel was warned "minutes before" the first attack, unconfirmed rumors in intelligence circles indicate that the Israeli government actually warned London of the attacks "a couple of days" previous. Israel has apparently given other warnings about possible attacks that turned out to be aborted operations. The British government did not want to disrupt the G-8 summit in Gleneagles, Scotland, or call off visits by foreign dignitaries to London, hoping this would be another false alarm."

https://www3.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/07/317679.html

The discrepencies in the Israeli warnings have already been brought up here in great detail on the previous page. On Thursday, the PM's Office instructed Israeli officials not to give any interviews to foreign media. The concern was the "danger that this kind of report can bring to Israel."

Discrepencies with the bus's camera and whether or not they were working:

Police are examining CCTV footage and forensic evidence from the scenes of the attacks, looking for, among other things, DNA evidence. It was disclosed on 10 July that the CCTV camera on the bus had not been working since June. [12] However in another report, investigators were making efforts to recover images of the CCTV camera from the remains of the bus. [13]

The two conflicting sources (cited as sources 12 and 13) were Guardian, and The Independent, respectively.

It'll be interesting to see how all this turns out. There's still yet a lot of unclear and contradictory information, but within the last hour it's come out that arrests have been made, so apparently they're on someone's heels despite all this confusing media coverage.

[Gandalf]

So far, the al Qaeda connection has been dismissed (at least according to some sources) as being the main suspect, with eyes now turning to domestic terrorists at Scotland Yard, and with arrests being made domestically recently/soon (within the past hour apparently, but unclear o.O).



Well, I think everything points towards a radical Islamic group being involved... homegrown radicals mind you... the UK has a big Muslim population these days. Everything point towards the fact that it was British Muslims who carried out the bombings.

In my view there is no 'global Al-Qaeda network'. There was perhaps something vaguely close to this description before 9/11, but after the attacks on Al-Qaeda camps in Afganistan and the Saudi crackdown in their country, I think that this 'network' if we could ever really call it that, is gone.

However what you still have and increasingly will have, is lots of disparate Islamic radical groups whose only real link is ideological. However, what these groups tend to do these days is claim to be 'Al-Qaeda' thus giving an added fear factor to their campaign and also announcing their allegience to a common cause.

You see, What Bush and Blair don't seem to realise, nor the media in general, is that 'Al-Qaeda' is not a 'global network' anymore, if it ever was, it is an *ideological movement*. Now anyone can take action in the name of 'Al-Qaeda'.

Some UK defence chiefs have now acknowledged this however and I read an article with one of these the other day. He admitted that the latest thinking suggests that 'Al-Qaeda' is an ideological movement nowadays rather than some kind of organised global 'james bond villain' style organisation, like some people would have you believe.

This is bad news because the realisation that in fact you are dealing with lots of separate and independant groups springing up like new grass all over the place and carrying out actions in 'the name of Al-Qaeda', means that it is so much more difficult to stop such groups.. they are likely to only have very limited contacts with other groups of like minded individuals and infiltrating them is next to impossible... there is no 'global terrorist network' to smash, as Bush or Blair would have you believe..
One thing you can't kill is an idea. Al-Qaeda is now an idea.

Doug

[Gandalf]

It appears confirmed now: the attacks appear to have been carried out by suicide bombers and the bombers were all British Muslims. Three of the bombers came from Yorkshire and the fourth from Luton.

It's a sad state of affairs when there are elements of the British Muslim community that are driven to attack and kill their own citizens.

Doug

[Leyla]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050724/ap_on_re_eu/britain_underground_8;_ylt=Au4rZyhZwViGhKS1PvKWUbblWMcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGVna3NhBHNlYwNzc3JlbA--

One mistaken police shooting after the bombings and the whole country is up in arms. I wish we had the same high value for life.

Hell, we attacked an entire country that wasn't responsible for our bombings, and everyone accepts it.