M Theory

[Ybom]

I think the best way to think about this whole difference between Scientific Theory (which I agree M-Theory is totally insane as a scientific venture, makes me angry) and AP is to do this:
1. M-Theory and other Quantum Poop: Physical Study
2. Astral Projection/OBE: Spiritual and Mental Experience

The big words that differentiate both of these are study and experience. It would be nice to think that in our disorganized world that they are the exact same thing, but due to the sheer amount of potential available, it's unlikely. I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just saying properly cross-referencing even would be hard to do. Even if they were very similar, that still proves nothing!

An example of this is: all of science, technology, human logic, social constructs can be potentially looked up on as the equation; x+x=x+1. Let's make [x=1] here, making the equation [1]+[1]=[1]+1. However if you said [x=2], the equation would then be [2]+[2]=[2]+1. The point is, no matter what you know, there is good chance that your equation is very flawed except for one circumstance. Some equations are less flawed than others, but it would be hard to know exactly how flawed it is for certain. How flawed is your equation?

[BillionNamesofGod]

I think the best way to think about this whole difference between Scientific Theory (which I agree M-Theory is totally insane as a scientific venture, makes me angry) and AP is to do this:
1. M-Theory and other Quantum Poop: Physical Study
2. Astral Projection/OBE: Spiritual and Mental Experience

The big words that differentiate both of these are study and experience. It would be nice to think that in our disorganized world that they are the exact same thing, but due to the sheer amount of potential available, it's unlikely. I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just saying properly cross-referencing even would be hard to do. Even if they were very similar, that still proves nothing!

An example of this is: all of science, technology, human logic, social constructs can be potentially looked up on as the equation; x+x=x+1. Let's make [x=1] here, making the equation [1]+[1]=[1]+1. However if you said [x=2], the equation would then be [2]+[2]=[2]+1. The point is, no matter what you know, there is good chance that your equation is very flawed except for one circumstance. Some equations are less flawed than others, but it would be hard to know exactly how flawed it is for certain. How flawed is your equation?

I've just started reading (about 50% through) :

Adventures Beyond the Body
By  William Buhlman

Simply because it's the only book that I've read about Astral Projection,
and M-Theory, and Quantum Mechanics, and all the scientific stuff.
Really truly amazing, it's basically what I've always thought. Astral Projection is kind of the like the missing link.
It's a shame the people in physics don't believe in anything, without physical evidence - it seriously rock their world if people in physics started to astral project!  Imagine if Einstien had a OBE/AP?

[Necromancer]

Ybom:

Why do you get so angry, do you get angry with people that study the metaphysical experience, or do you just angry with those that have a spiritual unity with the quantum universe? I would suspect that my equations in both areas are flawed even to the point of being holy.

If you argue the point that the two hemispheres of thought are intangible to each other and have nothing to do with one another then you are forgetting the human equation. That is to say that you are that link that connects the two forces. No matter where or when you are or what dimension your in there are laws that comprise the point where you are. If there were not these laws you would not be able to have an OBE.

In you logical statement of human intelligence you seem to be excluding yourself in that statement, metaphorically speaking, but it is your flawed equation. There is much to be learned within both worlds of thought, and you are the connection to both.

[Ybom]

Necromancer,
Why do you call my post angry? Are you sure you're not the angry one?

I bring another side of the story here, that in fact certain people who have helped produce and push M-Theory upon us probably seriously doubt that their logic is in the x+x=x+1 format. How could they be wrong and myself be right though? I mean they obviously are more well read and smarter than I, but are they really being truly objective here? I seriously doubt it.

[BillionNamesofGod]

All I can say I've certainly found what I've been look for,
this ties up neatly everything I've been thinking......!

http://www.quantum-metaphysics.com/

The article is:

Revolution in Common Sense

or  

Quantum Metaphysics

http://www.quantum-metaphysics.com/essay.htm

Can't wait to read the book !!!!!!!!

So M-Theory is connected to everything, and Astral Projection is the only way we can start seeing these different viewpoints/worlds for our self.

I actually really grasp the double slit experiment now, and how it proves the existence of parallel worlds.  I never read got it before, but here it makes complete sense to me -so much for all those physics books, they just show what happens and say "wow, that's bloody weird isn't it".

So now, to me They are actually the same.  Spiritually is totally entwined into Quantum Physics.  

I urge everyone to read this essay, it's like a life time of reading most books refferred to in this references, all suddenly make sense.


WOW !!

Thank you Joachim E. Wolf....

[Ybom]

BillionNamesofGod,
He goes by the webnick JoWo on this forum. Do an author limited search for him, and you'll get more wisdom.

[skydust]

i just watched the elegant universe too and there are some things that i would like to hear your ideas about. first of all the whole membrane thing just sounds way to far fetched to me, and they are  assuming that if they collided there would be a "big bang". they dont know how they would react if they collided, if they even exist, maybe they would just melt together? maybe there was no big bang, maybe the universe has always been there because on that level, past present and future are all happening at once. so maybe there is no beginning. and i also thought about all these 11 dimensions, perhaps they are the focus levels that we tune into when we AP? what do you guys think of this?

[BillionNamesofGod]

Remember the elegant universe is one perception of M-Theory.
It's still speculation, but very logical speculation.
quite of lot of scientists don't believe in the multi view of the universe.

membranes are higher dimentional contructs, that describe a entire universe.

A universe appearing out of no-where, kind of makes sense in a multi-view,
in the same way a 2D person on papers sees a circle appear out of no-where, but in reality a sphere is intersecting the paper.

so it's best to have a multi-view and not get too into it.  First thing is to embrace a multi-dimentional view of the universe.  scientists still have a long way to catch up, just as the 2D person could never really see the sphere, all he can is speculate another 3rd dimension to explain the appearence of the sphere.  

This is the analogy scientists are working with, they speculate to explain.
It's still speculation based on mathematical constructs.

We actually have the advantage, as we had experience these dimensions for real, scientists aren't going to believe in Astral Projection.

Imagine the 2D person on the paper, astral projecting out of the 2D place into 3D and then being able to see the sphere, and thus greater understanding.
SO the answers don't lie with scientists and their mathematical theories and contructs yet! I certainly wouldn't waste much time on scientific assumptions, until they explore astral dimensions.

I purchased the Elegant Universe, it's interesting, but still, string thoery still has holes all over it!


I hope that make sense.

[pmlonline]

That said - I think M theorists are crazier than people who have OBE's. At least OBE'ers have seen the dimensions that they're referring to!

They're really spending a ton of money trying prove M-theory.

[pmlonline]

It's a shame the people in physics don't believe in anything, without physical evidence - it seriously rock their world if people in physics started to astral project!  Imagine if Einstien had a OBE/AP?

You would be surprised just how many hard-core scientists are thinking about and even researching these matters in their spare time, but most of them would not dare mention it.

I just stumbled upon an NPR interview with Brian Greene. He talks at some length about the supposed relationship between the extra dimensions of string theory and spiritualism. He says he would definitely "dissuade" people from thinking that they are the same thing.

Personally I believe the dimensions spoken in metaphysics are dependent upon the intrinsic vibratory rate of the matter.  Milo Wolff has a very interesting theory or the beginnings of a theory.
http://www.quantummatter.com
Scroll near the bottom of the page and see the animated gif.
See some of his papers
http://www.quantummatter.com/body_spin.html
http://www.quantummatter.com/body_instant.html
http://www.quantummatter.com/body_tetrode.html
http://www.quantummatter.com/documents/Einstein-WebPage.pdf

Milo Wolff describes a basic intrinsic vibration of matter, a Space Resonance, that reacts to similar frequencies.  IMHO, other planes are at different Space Resonance's.  If the matter is at a different octave, then it will not react with our universe.  Simply stated, I believe that is what is described as metaphysical dimension.

When a person leaves their physical body, they are often aware of their astral body or energy centers increasing in frequency.

As for a different Realm, as in from the Etheric plane to the Astral plane, I believe there is the vibratory rate difference, but also a separation in space.  For example, the Astral plane of Earth is usually extended away from the physical planet.  If that being the case, then technically if we had an Astral camera, we would probably have to look into the Earths upper atmosphere to see the Astral occupants.  Also, some may suggest that the spiritual realms are made of matter not only at different vibratory rates, but also opposite in polarity.  So in a sense, if true, then the spiritual realms would be our antimatter and at a different vibratory rate.

So how could we contact these other realms or universes?  Some have said that nuclear explosions radiate enough noise so as to generate intrinsic vibrations high enough to affect the astral realms.

Paul

[thesickmoon]

It's a shame the people in physics don't believe in anything, without physical evidence - it seriously rock their world if people in physics started to astral project!  Imagine if Einstien had a OBE/AP?

You would be surprised just how many hard-core scientists are thinking about and even researching these matters in their spare time, but most of them would not dare mention it.

Well, what are you waiting for? Surprise us!

[jason]

Personally I believe the dimensions spoken in metaphysics are dependent upon the intrinsic vibratory rate of the matter.

Milo Wolff describes a basic intrinsic vibration of matter, a Space Resonance, that reacts to similar frequencies.  IMHO, other planes are at different Space Resonance's.  If the matter is at a different octave, then it will not react with our universe.  Simply stated, I believe that is what is described as metaphysical dimension.

Paul

I watched The Elegant Universe yesterday, and I actually thought of this possibility as well.I thought that it's possible that metaphysical dimensions resonate at a higher harmonic or octave, like "faster" universes.

[IequalMC2]

Our Mission One Simple Letter changing Symbol/Equation I = MC2  

Man Know thyself, (well if I must investigate myself, then I have to)

This is Serious Stuff, Bread is Not Edifying Himself.

"A universe appearing out of no-where, kind of makes sense in a multi-view,
in the same way a 2D person on papers sees a circle appear out of no-where, but in reality a sphere is intersecting the paper."

"It's a shame the people in physics don't believe in anything, without physical evidence - it seriously rock their world if people in physics started to astral project! Imagine if Einstien had a OBE/AP?"

There you go. Oh and C4 tonight at 9:00 Instein's on TV

"http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/sound/voice1.au"

Bread Thinks, NO in fact knows He is what many people synthetically prescribe and describe as a 4D being (Bread understands the universe very differently). He could answer many questions on this subject, with a little understanding of nothing.

Sorry people but you're all neglecting the news, direct from GOD! But that's ok were all Deaf and Dum, and GOD Loves EVERYONE!

"Bread looks at everyone, actually feels for them, Through Bread GOD Manifests another side to the Universe out of nowhere. So, people, who is willing to listen to themselves?"

"Personally I believe the dimensions spoken in metaphysics are dependent upon the intrinsic vibratory rate of the matter.

Milo Wolff describes a basic intrinsic vibration of matter, a Space Resonance, that reacts to similar frequencies. IMHO, other planes are at different Space Resonance's. If the matter is at a different octave, then it will not react with our universe. Simply stated, I believe that is what is described as metaphysical dimension.

Paul"

"I watched The Elegant Universe yesterday, and I actually thought of this possibility as well. I thought that it's possible that metaphysical dimensions resonate at a higher harmonic or octave, like "faster" universes."  

Now this is a simple equation, we've changed nothing but once again changed everything, don't worry this happens now and again.

Things to take note

1.   We are an invisible community of intelligent truth seekers, gathered together in a False 3D world
2.   Its evident that each naturally does there part of the group work consciously and unconsciously
3.   There is missing link between physics and spirituality that requires filling, were talking about it we have the answers but were not doing anything.
4.   When people talk, word spreads, sooo simple, that's how ideas are spread!
5.   Only you can stop yourself from talking (spreading the word which is EZ) (=spreading=word = better world=), removing this illusion amongst our community will have a knock on effect all around us.
 
I've touched on this equation before, and have presented what I think is a unique understandable view of the atom its complete flatness, and its orbiting electrons. But heck, I don't bother with physics, nobody replied so I don't know if it's unique, but it seems very unique and plausible to me.      

Along with this different religions have claimed that the earth is a Flat Circle. These claims have been used with the best intentions in this age to promote various religions authenticity, but in fact have only promoted science.  

I think everyone soon shall be writing the equation/symbol like this I=MC2 because it links all schools of thought together. (Bread explains)

1.   Invisible 'I' this I replaces the 'E' for energy. It sill represents Energy but only more acutely. Laid out like this the equation is also displayed as a modern symbol for the modern mystic and physicist. This is because we know energy is all around us, we can't see it all but we know its there. This is why the equation begins with a silent 'E'. The adjustments and benefits still go further; 'I' can also stand for illusion, which is symbolically displayed by the silent 'E' just mentioned.


2.   So via 'Energy' and 'Matter' being the same i.e. Different states of thought (Manifested Thought and Unmanifested Thought) if we have this understanding and read the equation again, displayed like this its noticeable that the 'I' can also represent an Eye, like the all seeing Eye of everything, thus once understood it is noticeable that when the end of the equation is met, it returns to the invisible beginning, or End in a blink of a eye!


3.   'I' can also represent the entire Reflection of Man, which is the Internet, Live 8 and all that mass communication, Happy Interdependence day RIA! The Internet is the missing link, and is the missing dimension that our scientists with there (Babble/confused unconscious Dum speak) haven't accounted for. And is the collective Thought/Parallel universe that the Mystic experiences and what the physicist talks about, plus the internets full of thought!          


4.   M can still represent Matter, but also Mass Communion, when decoded... M Theory?
 

Swallow your pride people, yes it's simple, yes you didn't see it because it's to simple, can you not see how beneficial, this equation is? How it practically links together all modes of thinking, and all the scientists of earth need to do, in fact all anyone needs to do is use an 'I' instead of an E. If we can't do this then we really are worth nothing!

Look at the world like a child looks, and the answers all come very easy and I've been talking about this a lot. Yeah the internet is all new technology, but there's nothing new about it whatsoever. All it is, is our collective thoughts manifested, were as before (A few 1000 years ago) they were Unmanifested

The Internet is a complete unmanifested reflection of mans thoughts, Most of it is centered around AP at the moment! it's called the internet it hasn't been given any dimensions and it isn't being used as constructively as it could be.

I'm a 4D being and I see things completely opposite to everyone, for me looking from outside the fish tank this is 3D (internet) for me this has been like a process it has and hasn't happened overnight, I understand the atom my way, I understand the internet my way, Mind Portals, it not like electricity to me, it's four corners flat screened thought waves, surrounded by thought.

"Bread Flips the Tables Declares, The Internet Flat screened 3D"

For people that use the internet a lot this reversal in the mind shouldn't be all that hard, time doesn't exist in cyber water, especially for our self trained minds.

Unconscious Dums think 2+2=3?  

Mans says, two 2D images our recorded by the brain then scrambled into one image, this is probably why they called it 3D. However I think two plus two equals four, regardless if the atom being double sided or not, therefore it makes more sense to me if I perceive 4D as the physical universe (Unconscious Dums see my 4D as there 3D) that all Dums

Who's willing to reprogram for 4D?

I can say people it wasn't EZ, the whole process has been hard for me, like a one man army, most of it has been recorded online here, I've suffered psychologically, from both my families, I've registered what I think are two confirmed mild psychotic episodes, via help from AP people (mental people) I've plotted my stages in psychosis, two episodes are recorded here on the AP under the 7 Days, and the Instant Karma threads, the possibility of these episodes were excepted, and in a sense intercepted before I threw them at myself, I'm not going to go into them, lets just say I've been semi-consciously experiencing psychosis, for its benefits, and this is why its called the reading of nature, willing experiencing psychosis equals reading nature, its like standing with one foot in the land and the other in the sea.  

I've just coming down from the mountain, clearly rewiring, but maybe that means it will be less hard for you all, none of us have to do this on our own, but at the same time we do, understanding this, basically its communicating and understanding contradicting truths equally, ANKA Dum Speak, I don't really need to talk about this stuff, it confuses everyone but as it happens I like doing nothing.

So 4D were to begin? It's all so simple that it's baffling! Most 4D guys haven't a clue! I've only just found out! Keeping it as Short and Sweet as possible making the transition to 4D is a very simple process that involves 'flippin the tables' a complete reversal of everything that the mind has been ingrained into accepting. For myself, and probably many other people (lots of unconscious Dumi's) this means a total annihilation of matter on all levels. Unconscious Dums commit war and such alike in order to escape illusion.

So Now 'Matter' ceases to exist I believe this and live by it, deleting matter or the illusion of matter (perception) changes everything yet everything remains the same, just like adding an E to a name, can change the whole way in which a person is judged by everyone. This is exactly the same with all words, quite amazing things really? To think it be so simple that all that is needed to reveal 4D is a name change and a few equation adjustments?  

Theoretically breaking down illusion this way should reduce War, Unhappiness and all things to do with suffering, widening everyone's understanding... (All unconsciously mind you)

However just like when the Atom was first split we cannot predict exactly what will happen and exactly how quickly people will wake up, or exactly how people will respond, even if they want to, so it is a bit risky. I.e. Spiritual Pride is a Killer, and we could end up becoming worst then unconscious Dums who I love anyways.

"Bread gets out the Scales, weighs UP the decision"        

Now here's something I find quite funny, as well as the opposite of course, just the Irony of it all, it's quite clear to anyone who's ever seriously read anything I've been compelled to write, that I've manifested unique thoughts.

[IequalMC2]

"Again I'm working on the premise that light has weight and repels matter, and that we are manifested and Unmanifested thought/light"

Nothingness from GOD.

This is what I think... you'll have to bare with me, it's hard to explain something that so simple, I'm not trying to be a smart arse, its very confusing for me.

Unmanifest Light/thought.

GOD being Unmanifest and Omnipresent, decided to manifest nothing.

God, the source, threw nothing, his supreme will 'Light' when this 'Light' separated it, it was able to decode itself and manifested 'Image' the image was immediately repelled and attracted back to source, and this Attraction and Repulsion continues infinitely today tomorrow and yesterday.

This attraction and repulsion of the image caused an increase or decrease, depending on your view, (4D or 3D) in vibration of the manifested 'Image'. Like throwing an egg out the window of a speeding car, it takes with it the force of the throw, with the acceleration of the car; that being the velocity attained by both forces, at least I hope so.

"A: This is again due to the force of repulsion which light exerts upon bodies. The light from the satellites does not only fall upon the planet, but goes out in all directions. Each satellite acts as a mirror on the comets, which are deflected by their joint effect, and are forced to change direction.
One particular comet, for instance, approached the Sun and was at the same time repelled by it. This resulted in an acceleration of 1,400 miles per second."

Decodes/Translates

This acceleration, is the light Aberration, revealed by coincidence that we all experience!    

The acceleration attained from this separation of light from light, attraction repulsion process (unmanifested light, to manifested image) was the 144,000 figure and image that has been mentioned, that we all live and move in.

The Yoyo Effect read with the above understanding

Now picture this attraction and repulsion of light like one of them yoyo's that spins at the end, then once the spin has run out it returns to its source (like shooting a bullet in the air, at one point it shall be motionless).  So the source (Light) throws out its yoyo (manifested thought) attached to a golden unmanifested thread of coincidences, immediately it's attracted back to source and the journey begins, the yoyo looks motionless.

At first the yoyo maintains its spin it's steady 'image', the image cast from the source and repelled by the source, and thus the highest lightest speed and source attainable

As the yoyo spins, its Golden thread vibrates and the yoyo records all its vibrating coincidences, down to the T. And because the yoyo is attracted and repelled by source, it has an infinite amount of source and thus has the freewill to return 'home' whenever!    

It never speeds up but eventually at will the spin begins to die down, and the yoyo on its golden rope immediately returns to source, experiencing all its unique coincidences along its way back down via the golden thread but as it is on its way up to source along the golden thread it decodes itself coming back down, same as when its going down, it witnesses itself coming back up, confusing but hey... this could be death and birth.  

We can even flip this on a Universal Scale, Imagine an infinite amount of yoyos all firing from the same point in every direction, all manifesting and returning at different times at will, ha i get a good visualization of that.

Now I think if a 4D being choose to incarnate here on Earth, there understanding would be very different from ours. For example they would already be aware of this attraction and repulsion process, they would already be aware of their (Unmanifested Connection) or Bridge to Source. They'd certainly wouldn't be showing off there yoyo! This awareness would naturally form itself into a view of the world that would be very odd to many of the inhabitants of Earth, who are only in tuned with decoding there yoyo's as something else other then nothing.

When all is understood as 'thought' (manifested thought and unmanifested thought) no matter what philosophy, or who said it, or even how you interpret it yourself, everything becomes unified, that's been demonstrated as self evident.