Combat

[NodesOfYesod]

 

[James S]

Is this real life we're talking about here? Dealing with other possibly sentient beings?

Sound more like playing a game to me.

James.

[CaCoDeMoN]

There are better solutions that a pointless revenge.

If it calls me a bad name , Kill it because for the second that it forced its will on me I lived its life and not my own so technically for that period of time I was dead. And there for, for a period of time IM justified in killing it .And if it begs for its life kill it. Some people will think that that is a dramatic response, after all all it did was call you a bad name how can you justify ending its life?

It's just sick. Would you use these ideas in real life too, if no one could punish you for murder?

Fear only god.

It's not a good god that likes to see fear in the eyes of his followers.

[Souljah333]

Nodelles, stop freaking people out!
can you not get enough abuse or what?!? silly assassin always up to something seedy and destructive. you are dealing with a lot of souls that are freaked out by the idea of death. they don't like to hear stuff like that. funny thing is that i try and speak about my relationship with the dark forces, and my respect for neg's and their function, etc...i get the same replies.

you and i jus' crazy is all!
seems like very few people want to embrace their "whole" selves. i think the normal thing to do is just ignore our seediness, keep our perversions in the closet, wave and say "howdy"...show lots of teeth/big smiles...nice nice!!!
millions of cats & dogs aren't being put to death, millions of people aren't struggling and starving. millions of trees aren't being clear-cut so i can wipe my butt...happy happy. it's against the law to kill so i am complete safe to walk the streets. we've extinctafied all the predators so we can lay out at the beach and tan. what a wonderful world this is...so controlled. so neatly boxed up!!!

i say stop slaughtering and packaging up the beef, close down the fast food chains and the grocery stores, stop pumping the oil, stop generating the electricity, bring the predators back, let the crazies & the criminals out, open the underground bases and release the hybrid spawn, lift the veil...and let's get to the real part already! 'cuz this dependent, lazy, self-absorbed, delusional denial is driving me nuts!!!

love ya
good bless
goodnite
333

[imel007]

I think this is all great advice.. especially on the astral

As for implementing this advice on real time negs in the physical I find it very difficult to do these things because often the attack is unidentifiable as to what method is being used.

Seems the body like metal part works pretty well though.. as I've tried a similar method and it stops the attack momentarily

The problem is keeping the ENERGY to do it ALL THE TIME

It DOESN'T GO AWAY

[Souljah333]

as best as i can describe it...it's like a seldom used muscle. this is were most people differ with me in that it's best "not" to fight and just ignore the negative. i believe it is lesson in itself and there is much strength in it, if one is willing to stick their neck out and stay with it. you wouldn't expect yourself to be able to run 25 miles your first day out. maybe just around the block. it's the same with this form of combat NOY speaks of. it's more along the lines of martial arts though where it draw upon many things...strength of mind being above physical strength, etc. in believing you can do something a path for that appears that was not there before. there's a lot of waxing on and waxing off before you get a point where it isn't tedious or exhausting. focus of mind. letting all the rest go. i am at a point now where combat is more of a dance. like neo finding his chi or that crouching tiger/hidden dragon thing. all slo-mo, very beautiful and liberating. i'm still pretty new this method, but it's wonderful compared to the slash & burn full-combat mode. it's tapping into a wealth of energy that is unyielding.

a lot of people like to argue my perspective and my methods, but if i had taken their advice...starting taking mind-numbing drugs or laughing (hiding) and avoiding it all...i never would have gotten to this point.
333

[CaCoDeMoN]

Nodelles, stop freaking people out!
can you not get enough abuse or what?!? silly assassin always up to something seedy and destructive. you are dealing with a lot of souls that are freaked out by the idea of death. they don't like to hear stuff like that. funny thing is that i try and speak about my relationship with the dark forces, and my respect for neg's and their function, etc...i get the same replies.

you and i jus' crazy is all!
seems like very few people want to embrace their "whole" selves. i think the normal thing to do is just ignore our seediness, keep our perversions in the closet, wave and say "howdy"...show lots of teeth/big smiles...nice nice!!!
millions of cats & dogs aren't being put to death, millions of people aren't struggling and starving. millions of trees aren't being clear-cut so i can wipe my butt...happy happy. it's against the law to kill so i am complete safe to walk the streets. we've extinctafied all the predators so we can lay out at the beach and tan. what a wonderful world this is...so controlled. so neatly boxed up!!!

i say stop slaughtering and packaging up the beef, close down the fast food chains and the grocery stores, stop pumping the oil, stop generating the electricity, bring the predators back, let the crazies & the criminals out, open the underground bases and release the hybrid spawn, lift the veil...and let's get to the real part already! 'cuz this dependent, lazy, self-absorbed, delusional denial is driving me nuts!!!

What have things you said to do with justification of pointless killing? There's NO justification to killing anything only for calling names, no sane justification.

[Silent Shadow]

Wow; I wish I read this earlier; nice way to end them; to kill 'em apparently..

lol... just wondering; can't negs seek revenge also? Hypothetically speaking... if negs were.. hm... say in a 'gang' and 2 out of three were killed; wouldn't the third one look for revenge also?? Pardon me if I sound a bit stupid...

[daem0n]

there is no such thing as justification
nor rationalization for that matter
you choose to accept them in first place, you can choose to stop
it's not about whether to kill or not, but what you make out of it
kill => kill => kill => kill => [...]

[daem0n]

there are means to defend yourself that escalate conflict and there are means that end it
killing others is killing yourself,  anchoring thoughtform of killing/being killed in your reality

by stating that there is no justification i didn't mean that it cannot be justified, but that the process of justification is illusion in itself
the apparent cause and effect, or rather pre-programmed action and reaction, was accepted by you first
there is NO reason at all, only instilled mental program that links will/choice to observed reality, and forces/limits possibilities to widely accepted thought-trains

example:
you cut your finger, you start jumping and hissing, why?
because it hurts - no
because you chose to jump and hiss, that's all

now this goes for happiness too
you can bleed to death and still be happy
your survival instinct should intercept now: but i am dying
survival instinct, although ingrained in our physical structure, is still only a program, and you have freedom of interpretation or no interpretation
i am dying - so what?
or removal of the whole program - i am dying - <nothing> (this is better then changing your conditioning, induces awareness (this is a sort of  when no program prompt user for action thing, wakes you up ))

there will be plethora of other programs telling you but this and that, but they are only programs, and you have choice/will to change them
this goes for spiritual development, messiah syndrome, love and compassion, but really, everything is fine as it is
well, if you chose too (choose your programming wisely, according to enviroment, you cannot act without a program, we have consensus reality here and others influence can overthrow yours)
then everything become possibility, expression of your will
interestingly enough, when there is nothing intercepting, love appears (not the fluffy one or sado-masochistic attachment)
yeah, it's a program, but it changes other programs to love
cool thing  

and there is this frequency everyone talks about
you get things only in your range of frequency (you don't hear radio waves, do you), this goes for emotions, energy etc
tune in love frequency, and you will get love, denser energies won't react with you, curses will change their programming when reaching your field, etc
of course when you get that stuff it means there is still something similiar to it in you, but you can choose to heal/remove it, takes time
you can also choose to heal your attacker (yeah, in physical plane takes time, but we are dealing with psychic combat now)

so, this way, you can resolve both things, your problem/program and attacker, which are really one and the same (so indeed negs are creations of our minds in a way)
good thing to find origin of the situation, thoughtforms concerned first
and when you relax you can channel destructive energy that already reached you out of your field or transform it's programming (to self destruct too, when defined structure, ex etheric implants)
you tense => it stays => it hurts
good luck

[CaCoDeMoN]

Thanks for this post, daem0n!

[daem0n]

repeat? where?
all of these were tested on me, and worked ..

now you say your methods are temporary ..

i would like you to prove me wrong, please, point by point show what doesn't work, and why

[daem0n]

well, i am open for improvement

[daem0n]

at least think about it when you are tired of fighting

[Astral Practitioner]

NodesofYesod

Thankyou for your inspiration article. I will see to it. May I ask one thing. If I do go hostile on my neg is it possible if I lose fight will it attack my etheric body since the neg is always attached to me normally?

I don't have any experience with astral combat and im still a novice projector. How would I cope if I don't have any skill using my own astral body?

By the way it's nice to see that Im not the only polish.
It's good to see you.

[Ridion]

Okay, this is very foreign for me as I am one that talks to and uses light forces. The killing here is typical of you that follow darkness. You use the example of the wild dog, the natural response would be to kill it, that would be fair because it's one life in exchange for multiple ones... However, for someone with the power to stop it without killing it, the murder of this creature would be unnecessary. It wants food, that's not it's fault, why punish it for something in its DNA. You really need to concentrate more on life flow.

I do agree that it is a different story for something purely evil, but again, if you can over power this thing, what gives you the right to kill it. It's weak before you, that's the kind of attitude that drives wars: They killed one of our people so we will slaughter them by dropping our hundreds of  bombs!!!!!!! DIE grump DIE!!!!
I think you see where i go with this. Please feel free to disagree with me, I'm sure you wont find that hard.. I encourage you first to do some meditation on this first and you may just find that killing isn't the best answer.

I do consider the killing of summoned evil beings moral, just making that clear.

[daem0n]

there are means to defend yourself that escalate conflict and there are means that end it

why did you not express a means of defence? that works?

see love as a transmutation of energy

killing others is killing yourself,  anchoring thoughtform of killing/being killed in your reality

I killed an ant once and I didnt die, and if there was a part of me that was wicked and cruel I would rather it was dead

but you will
you said that nothing can be completely killed, but it can be completely healed

there is NO reason at all, only instilled mental program that links will/choice to observed reality, and forces/limits possibilities to widely accepted thought-trains

this means that the answers you give are not reasoned for your self only regurgetated info that pasted before your eyes?

you choose to reason, but can also disengage from it (in disattached way)
to put it another way, you observe how you reason
actually i have no sources to paste from

now this goes for happiness too
you can bleed to death and still be happy
your survival instinct should intercept now: but i am dying
survival instinct, although ingrained in our physical structure, is still only a program, and you have freedom of interpretation or no interpretation
i am dying - so what?
or removal of the whole program - i am dying - <nothing> (this is better then changing your conditioning, induces awareness (this is a sort of  when no program prompt user for action thing, wakes you up ))

you can be happy bleeding to death if bleeding to death makes you happy, yeah anybody can delude themselfs and write there own program im sure hitler used to think he was a good little girl but why is it relivant?

to disengage from certain thoughtforms, attacks are based on
deluding takes place when you only cover them with your own, but not replace, they are still there and act

there will be plethora of other programs telling you but this and that, but they are only programs, and you have choice/will to change them
this goes for spiritual development, messiah syndrome, love and compassion, but really, everything is fine as it is
well, if you chose too (choose your programming wisely, according to enviroment, you cannot act without a program, we have consensus reality here and others influence can overthrow yours)

first you put the responcebility on one saying its your will and your choice, and then you put the responcibility on the collective will who may over throw you. you cant have it both ways because what you realy saying is if you dont fit in you will be overthrown, which is intotal contradiction to its self

you have free will, and you have enviroment to express it
it's your will to be overthrown

then everything become possibility, expression of your will
interestingly enough, when there is nothing intercepting, love appears (not the fluffy one or sado-masochistic attachment)
yeah, it's a program, but it changes other programs to love
cool thing  

so basicaly if you bend over and take it like a man you will be rewarded with less agro?

no, it doesn't hit you, or is transmuted before it hits you, or after it hits you and healed, depends on your skill

and there is this frequency everyone talks about
you get things only in your range of frequency (you don't hear radio waves, do you), this goes for emotions, energy etc
tune in love frequency, and you will get love, denser energies won't react with you, curses will change their programming when reaching your field, etc

you cant see gas also but it wouldent stop putting my head in the oven a bad move to make, regardless of wether or not I was energeticaly superior to my oven

as you said, you can be overthrown

of course when you get that stuff it means there is still something similiar to it in you, but you can choose to heal/remove it, takes time
you can also choose to heal your attacker (yeah, in physical plane takes time, but we are dealing with psychic combat now)

I thought you said we created it not recieved it? of corse there is a little of everything in us all our minds are expanded over eternity

created recieving
still there is boundary between our minds and eternity

so, this way, you can resolve both things, your problem/program and attacker, which are really one and the same (so indeed negs are creations of our minds in a way)
good thing to find origin of the situation, thoughtforms concerned first
and when you relax you can channel destructive energy that already reached you out of your field or transform it's programming (to self destruct too, when defined structure, ex etheric implants)
you tense => it stays => it hurts
good luck

if I hit you in the face will you say sorry to my hand because your destructive energys that you could not control made my hand hit you?

yes, but yours too
there is no difference between hitting and being hit


Was that point for point enough or did you want me to suddenly agree with everything you wrote

discuss

NodesOfYesod

[pmlonline]

I personally know someone who has a lot of power who has zero tolerance for evil.  This person knows it is a personal problem due to his lack of tolerance for evil.  When he is attacked by a negative entity he will attack with a vengeance.  Sometimes I really feel sorry for the negs who may attack him.  He really hurts them.  Often he bill bind them to the lower astral hells.  He's even done spiritual warfare against Lucifer, the father of all lies.  In that case, I'm all for attacking this being.  In such a case it is required to have the protection of a higher being such as Archangel Michael or Christ.

I think it is best to seek higher guidance because attacking is not always best.  If we take two situations that seem alike then it may be best to attack in one situation but not in the other.  Often for earthbound entities is best to surround them in unselfish love.

I know there is usually no time to seek guidance when attacked, but if you have a second then it might be wise to ask the creator for a solution.  You never know, you may get an answer.  While in the Etheric planes, and especially in the astral planes it is easier to accurately sense intuition.  Here's a possible situation ->  At the same time you quickly ask the creator (mentally) and also use your intuition to sense the best choice.  Of course, you will need to defend yourself while do this.  Takes practice.

Kind regards,
Paul

[daem0n]

well, my point wasn't clear enough
removing the weakness exploited, instead of removing the neg and another one taking it's place
the actual methods are personal

[Souljah333]

pure evil? what is pure evil? i happen to be very well acquainted with lucifer, and he's definitely not pure evil. why would you consider an archangel like micheal or gabriel to be above lucifer? because he's "fallen"...that only means he occupies more of a physical realm. that would make humans pure evil as well or worse..."absolute evil". just because a kid smashes up his fathers new mercedes and gets kicked out of the house...doesn't mean he's pure evil. i know...lucifer didn't smash up gods car. he found and demonstrated free-will. i don't know...i just wonder what gives us mere mortals the right to decide what's good and what's evil. as far as i'm concerned we're just a bunch of monkeys and we haven't gotten that far out of the tree yet to be any good at anything except scavenging.

 go ahead......attack
soul

[pmlonline]

pure evil? what is pure evil? i happen to be very well acquainted with lucifer, and he's definitely not pure evil.

Indeed, there's always worse.  There is a being that goes by the name lucifer in the lower realms.  Although, originally the name "lucifer" had a different meaning.  My teacher Max Heindel said it well so I may as well quote him,

Who are these Lucifers? (for, although the Bible seems to speak of only one person, that is as wrong as where it uses the singular for God in the first chapter of Genesis)--They are a class of Beings who attained to a stage of evolution far beyond that of our humanity in the Moon Period, but fell short of the development of the Angels. They are demi-gods, and could not take a dense body like man. But neither could they gather experience as the Angels are doing. They needed a brain and spinal cord, and so, when man had built such an instrument, it was to their advantage to prompt him in the use of it.

At that time the opening consciousness of man was turned INWARDS, and he saw his inner organs and built them with the same force that he now turns OUTWARDS to build houses and ships, etc., and the outside muscles of his body; so the woman, who was most advanced in that direction because of having her Imagination trained, saw the intelligence embodied in her serpentine spinal cord, and at a later stage, when man came to record this experience, the serpent appealed to him as the nearest likeness to that which he wanted to tell about.

The Lucifer Spirits
These spirits were a class of stragglers in the life wave of the Angels. In the Moon Period they worked themselves far ahead of the great mass of those who are now the most advanced of our humanity. They have not progressed as far as the Angels who were the pioneer humanity of the Moon Period, however, but they were so much in advance of our present humanity that it was impossible for them to take a dense body as we have done; yet they could not gain knowledge without the use of an inner organ, a physical brain. They were half-way between man who has a brain and the Angels who need none--in short, they were demi-gods.

why would you consider an archangel like micheal or gabriel to be above lucifer? because he's "fallen"

Michael and Gabriel are higher in vibration, closer to God, the source of all life.  There are kingdoms of each great cycle.  There is the mineral kingdom, plant kingdom, animal kingdom, human kingdom, angelic kingdom, archangel kingdom, etc.  During the Earth cycle we are the humans.  During the previous cycle, before earth, was called the moon period.  The angelic kingdom was the humans back then and we were the equivalent of animals.  Although the planet back then was an Etheric planet.  With each great cycle there will be a denser planet.  For example when the animal kingdom reaches our level of spiritual development then there will be a planet that is denser than earth.  That is reason the angels, as a whole, never incarnated in a dense physical body.  A dense body is often called a material body.  Their bodies back in the moon period were etheric, which is the upper physical plane.  Also the Archangels, as a whole, never incarnated in a physical or etheric body.  During the Sun period the Archangels incarnated in bodies on a planet that was the Astral plane.  The etheric is higher in vibration than material.  The astral is higher than etheric.  The lower the vibration the more negative / destructive the beings are.  That is why Archangel Michael and Gabriel are higher than lucifer.

...that only means he occupies more of a physical realm. that would make humans pure evil as well or worse..."absolute evil".

That is not true.  The lucifer spirits and the one who calls itself lucifer are spirits that fell and could not continue on their spiritual development with their kingdom.  One third of the angelic kingdom fell and they are the lucifer spirits.  IMHO, to associate with them is almost a guaranteed ticket to be part of the next great fall.  The human kingdom has not YET fallen!  The great judgment day is coming and those who chose to be their own boss, to be God, to run away from home, to do their own thing and create their own illusions will get their wish ... they will be to the animal kingdom the next demons.  That is, when then animal kingdom reaches the stage we are at present, as humans, then the humans that fall will be demons to the animal kingdom.  They will not be allowed to continue their spiritual development with the rest of the human kingdom for obvious reasons.  And they will be stuck between the human and animal kingdom.  If you ask me, that spells MEGA PAIN.

just because a kid smashes up his fathers new mercedes and gets kicked out of the house...doesn't mean he's pure evil. i know...lucifer didn't smash up gods car. he found and demonstrated free-will.

That is lucifers side of the story.  The creator gives all beings free will, but to within limits, for obvious reasons.  For example, a single being would not be allowed to destroy a galaxy out of anger.  I am not certain exactly what being you are acquainted with that calls himself lucifer, but lets say he is the one who fell during the time of the Archangels-- the Sun period.  Back then he was as a young child who rebelled.  The creator / parent gave him reasonable freedom, but as a rebelling child he wanted to do whatever he wanted.  You could say that his fall was equivalent to running away from home.  By his choice he fell from heaven.

i don't know...i just wonder what gives us mere mortals the right to decide what's good and what's evil. as far as i'm concerned we're just a bunch of monkeys and we haven't gotten that far out of the tree yet to be any good at anything except scavenging.

We are not the ones deciding ... its simply history.  You may have your own definitions, but "Good" is constructive and "Evil" is destructive.  Lucifer and the lucifer spirits have been very destructive.  I've seen both sides.  For me, the lower planes of vibration, especially inner earth is thick, sticky, restrictive, and full of pain.  Go to the higher planes such as the Buddhic plane and you find unconditional love, beings helping and creating.  Just because it's far easier to fall than to climb and because it requires work to climb doesn't mean that in the long run it's better to fall.  I'll take the path toward the creator at any moment.

Peace & Love,
Paul

[Draco_Platina]

Well, I don't go as far as -killing- 'negs', but I do more than just rough them up. I am of the mind that if it threatens me to the point of forcing action, then take full action up to but not including total disassembly of the entity. It is not in my place to kill, this is what my Bible has told me, so I do not.
I beat it within an inch of its existence and let it meditate on what caused that.
This good/evil is all very interesting, but if something 'good' threatens to harm me, (short of God), I will take action, same as if something 'evil' threatens harm.

[Wronski Feint]

Well i think we should decide what is good and evil to an extent.  I think we should decide because we have the ability to.  Those with the abilty to do should do.  And to see what is good or evil comes from somthing more deep than logical reson, it comes from within.  In your heart, you can tell when sombody is bad.  As for lucifer, satan, the devil, being evil, yeah I like to beleive he is.  He tried to 'take over' everything, not because god wasnt doing a good job, or god was in the bed with the flu for a week, but because he wanted that power.  It was greed, and not free will that made him want to take over.  Also, he tried to overthrow God, thats a big no no.  

Now if lucy wanted to take over because God was becoming crazy with power, thats different, but he wasnt.  Yes, God did give everybody the power of free will, but its the way you use it that makes you good or evil.  While crashing your daddys car would be an accident,  so its not really  a solid thing to base sombodies goodness on.  It would be why he took the car or what he was doing to make him crash, that would decide if he was innocent or guilty of doing somthing wrong.  And im aware that there are grey areas to the whole good and evil thing.  Making the wrong decisions dosnt make you evil and making good decisions dosnt make you good.  Good and Evil, and good and bad, are two differnt type of things.  I know people that support their elderly mother, pay all the bills, works hard, and feeds their family, but they are not good.  That person is actually quite manipulative and mean.  

And another note on the lucy and god thing.  Everybody else seemed to agree with God on his decision, you would think out of all the souls in heaven, that sombody would speak out if he had done somthing bad.  But Gods and higher beings think on a whole nother level of thinking than us.  I think that they get a kick out of watching us trying to understand them.